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On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. + Show Spoiler +
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?> I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following: He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument. As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him. I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"?
Ok I see what you mean from this post
On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation.
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
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On August 30 2013 03:06 sciberbia wrote:
@rayn
fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today.
If you can respond to the case in the next 7 hours, would be great. We still have another 24 til lynch right?
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debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?
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EBWOP:
I meant you are right in this:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
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On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
(1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato.
(2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people.
(3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh.
Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1)
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On August 30 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?
When I see a bunch of short posts about different people from different people, I tune out. It's worthless trying to keep that organized in my head.
I worry about the main happenings. Who's against who. Who's active and talking to others about actual stuff.
That kinda thing. I only zone in when something jumps out (have a feeling)
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What do you think of Oats?
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On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1)
1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings.
2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways.
3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck.
Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp
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On August 30 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Oats?
Oats is playing like I remember him playing. His town meta is close to his scum meta. In either scenario he's hard to read. I'd rather wait on voting to read him and his posting past day 1.
The main notable thing I saw on him is him shitting up the thread with marv for no reason. If he was someone known for their town play, we'd have a problem.
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The thread shitting between oats and marv was awfully reciprocal tho, not terribly 1-sided from what I could see.
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Btw my second candidate for lynch is sylv. I'll explain that later after we get this scribs stuff handled.
Sylv did similar to Onegu. I definitely see one of them being a scumbo.
1) MTV Scribs
2) The Sylver fox
3) Oneguru
In dat order. Get out your pitchforks guys
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On August 30 2013 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
The thread shitting between oats and marv was awfully reciprocal tho, not terribly 1-sided from what I could see.
that's not the impression i got from that at all. Oats did not answer marv's (legit) questions and marv tried to stop him from yelling at him.
What is your side of the story in that? Also debears, same question?
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On August 30 2013 03:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1) 1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings. 2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways. 3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck. Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp
This is literally just getting ridiculous.
1) How much scumhunting do you expect me to do in the first 6 hours of the game? You're being completely unreasonable. Before i went to bed, i stated my top 3 scumreads and gave reasons why. I also stated my opinions on TK's and rayn's alignments -- again with reasons why. I literally commented on everything that I found interesting in the first 6 hours, and then I went to bed. What the fuck do you want me to do? Make up some bullshit case about some dumb post on the first page and tunnel someone into the ground? Sorry to let you down but I just couldn't find any great scumtells in the first 4 pages. Didn't realize that's a crime.
2) So 85% is acceptable but 95% is ludicrous? I was not aware that there is some line in the sand that I'm not allowed to cross. Idk your obsession with this just seems like the dumbest thing ever to me.
3) THE SECOND POST ON IT WAS BECAUSE RAYN SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN THE FIRST POST ON IT. my god. I can only assume you weren't even reading rayn's post. Do you see me bringing up third party speculation all over the thread? No -- I really don't give a fuck. I made a passing comment as the second post of the game and then rayn asked me why I posted that which obviously then led to me mentioning it again.
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A quick perusal of Marv's filter yields the following: (with 1 post and 15 mins in between)
+ Show Spoiler [Marv tries to take the high ground] +On August 29 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:Hapa, for you I'm not going to respond to Oats' shitpost right there. Hapa, you don't buy debears being drunk? Or you do buy it but you don't think it excuses what he wrote? Strong enough for a vote even? Also Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote:On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. I read this as "it's retarded as both alignments, but has motivations for one alignment, ergo he's that alignment" no?
+ Show Spoiler [Marv failing miserably 15 minutes later] +On August 29 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Generally scum are more careful with their posting because they dont want to stand out too much.
Like they would think more about the appearance of their posting.
Hapa wanna lynch marv? And yet you're voting Tutankhamen for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff? HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OATS?
I didn't feel like either of them had solid arguments on much, but they were going at it with gusto.
I hope you don't need me to go find similar disasters from Oats's filter? we both know they are there.
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EBWOP: above was @rayn regarding the supposed 1-sidedness of their arguments.
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Scib will be added to the post with debears
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On August 30 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:
Scib will be added to the post with debears
Yam: "Im only reading 2 people"
Thread: "thats retarded we should vig you"
Yam: "JK I'm reading everybody who is a subject of discussion or has made a serious case post so far"
Thats one hell of a 180. I mean, I'm glad its happening but its a big change of heart.
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On August 30 2013 03:59 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:58 yamato77 wrote:
Scib will be added to the post with debears Yam: "Im only reading 2 people" Thread: "thats retarded we should vig you" Yam: "JK I'm reading everybody who is a subject of discussion or has made a serious case post so far" Thats one hell of a 180. I mean, I'm glad its happening but its a big change of heart.
lolol thanks Sn0_Man. I needed that.
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On August 30 2013 03:52 Sn0_Man wrote:A quick perusal of Marv's filter yields the following: (with 1 post and 15 mins in between) + Show Spoiler [Marv tries to take the high ground] +On August 29 2013 19:14 marvellosity wrote:Hapa, for you I'm not going to respond to Oats' shitpost right there. Hapa, you don't buy debears being drunk? Or you do buy it but you don't think it excuses what he wrote? Strong enough for a vote even? Also Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote:On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).
Vote scribs guise So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. I read this as "it's retarded as both alignments, but has motivations for one alignment, ergo he's that alignment" no? On August 29 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Generally scum are more careful with their posting because they dont want to stand out too much.
Like they would think more about the appearance of their posting.
Hapa wanna lynch marv? And yet you're voting Tutankhamen for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff? HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OATS? I didn't feel like either of them had solid arguments on much, but they were going at it with gusto. I hope you don't need me to go find similar disasters from Oats's filter? we both know they are there.
How is marv shitposting in here? I think the secound quote you pointed out is a reasonable argument, no?
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@rayn
Oats wasn't voting Koopa for making a spectacle lol. Instead of pulling out relevant quotes marv resorted to capslock to lend weight to his untrue argument. Iunno. I'm calling them about equal.
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