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On August 30 2013 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote:Can anybody provide some corroboration to this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
scibby's posts (especially at first) look weird and constructed as fuck to me but then again I thought the same in Ego and he was town, I guess I'll wait and see if he stays involved I'm kinda using it as a reason to dismiss debears case but I'll admit A) Marv looks unhelpful this game so I'm not sure I should use anything he says to make reads and B) I've never played with sciberbia.
yeah what marv says is true.
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lol actually no, that's not true..
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On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy.
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
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On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.
First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.
Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.
It's the same approach I have every game with these two. Let them both live and figure each other out. When one gets killed, we then talk about the other with the new info
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On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you"
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On August 30 2013 02:14 yamato77 wrote:
It's how I win every other mini that I won as town.
I don't know what the fuck minis you're playing but in the four minis I've played/followed with town marv, he has
-- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to win)
-- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to lose)
-- been wrong on almost every read D1 and was surely scum MVP (was carried by me/DP/iamp)
-- survived until endgame and lost
I'm sure he's had better games as well, but banking on town!marv or town!hapa carrying the game is a terrible idea from where I'm standing.
If anything you should ignore marv and hapa for now since if either is town they'll surely be shot N1 since everyone seems to think they walk on water. Jeez.
In response to your post, I don't find anything you said about marv or hapa that interesting. They aren't on my radar at the moment. marv's attitude doesn't seem markedly different to me, and I sympathized with what hapa said about debears so I disagree with your suspicions there. I see debears is posting more stuff about me so imma go see if it's worth responding to.`
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On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you"
I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.
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On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.
How about this line from him?
On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious).
If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself.
The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia
Follow me?>
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rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.
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Iunno, I'm working on about the same approach to rayn as scibby is except rayn has a townread on me so I don't need to defend much.
Essentially, what marv said has been enough to explain most all of sciberbia's actions so far to me. Doesn't make him town at all, but saying that sciberbia has a meta of kinda being over-worried about in-thread image as town and posting like a tight-ass is enough for me to not be in any rush to lynch him.
Wasn't really impressed with Syl's response to me though.
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I have concluded that debears's post is not really worth responding to.
One thing I will say is that I was willing to respond to rayn's posts because I think he is most likely town, and he started actually playing the game and making reasonable points.
On the other hand, I think debears is quite possibly scum and I think everything he's posted about me is rubbish so unless somebody else wants something clarified I'm not responding to his stuff anymore.
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On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?>
I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following:
He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument.
As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov.
On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.
I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"?
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There are a few things I am not liking about my #3 suspect, Onegu
First off, has anyone here played with him and give me some insight on his skill level?
This post was scum city when i looked at it
What did he accomplish in that post? He touched on a few things that weren't the main happening in the thread at that point.
The main thing going on at that point was the raynp and scribs wrastling going on. Also, he didn't follow up and truly commit to anything in his following posts.
He has one scumread: me. For what exactly, I'm not sure. His focus has been commenting on random things.
Then, he says this in response to yamatos stuff about marv and hapa.
On August 30 2013 02:24 Onegu wrote:
EBWOP
I agree it is very important to figure out thier alignments asap as they are the most important to the game as either alignment.
That's odd, because he hasn't shared any info with us on his judgement on both.
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Ugh i did terrible job explaining motivations there. continued....
Scum like to act like they are contributing. An easy way to do that is to point out small things and follow them up.
Onegu is not involved in the main happenings in the thread. He isn't sharing insights on his reads and the whys.
His posting is scum motivated because he has posts that look like they have content, yet do not. They provide no benefit to a town agenda
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ebwop
Not follow them up
Sorry about spam guys.....I am contributing to my own headache 
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Onegu was sheep-city and lynchbait last game who got mislynched d2 to extremely little resistance. Actually thats an ongoing game and I'm still in it so I can't comment too much more than that but I'd say that poor play is far far from a scumtell for him. I need to see real scum motivation behind his actions before I push a lynch on him.
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Yeah, still calling that weak play for now, not scum play.
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debears, another point about sciberbia (related to your "his first post" argument). This is what he said in Ego:
On April 05 2013 09:25 sciberbia wrote:My strategy as scum (as I explained in the post-game) was to try to play exactly as I do as town. The reason that I posted setup speculation as scum is precisely because that is what I usually do as town. I tend to start the game by inviting discussion on the setup because imo it is the best (only?) way to get people meaningfully talking about something actually relevant to the game. The alternative way of generating discussion, as you are demonstrating, is to wait until someone else makes a post and then attack them for it, but I don't tend to form scumreads off someone's first post, and I don't like to lie about my reads, hence discussion on setup.
So he does setup speculation as either alignment.
You are right about the third faction point, i found that out to be weird aswell.
Another thing that feels not right about sciberbia is that now that i read his filter from Ego he was really pro-active from the start of the game, gave out reads for multiple people with decent reasoning. I don't see that here. He is more laid back and seems to be observing more than playing the game.
sciberbia you should answer debears post. and give some reads out.
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On August 30 2013 03:00 debears wrote:
Ugh i did terrible job explaining motivations there. continued....
Scum like to act like they are contributing. An easy way to do that is to point out small things and follow them up.
Onegu is not involved in the main happenings in the thread. He isn't sharing insights on his reads and the whys.
His posting is scum motivated because he has posts that look like they have content, yet do not. They provide no benefit to a town agenda
Sadly he does that as town aswell.. Always. I have not seen him play scum.
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@rayn
fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today.
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