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Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 04 2013 23:54 GMT

#2036

Also Rayn, one of your scumreads is in the thread posting right now - pretty good opportunity to talk to him >>

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 04 2013 23:57 GMT

#2038

Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 04 2013 23:58 GMT

#2039

I'll have to think about that some.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 00:02 GMT

#2040

Why would he PM syl of all people though>?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 00:04 GMT

#2041

Ohhh Syl is hosting the game. Okey.

Eh. That does seem townie, but I'm not sure if it gives me a horrendously strong town-read on Onegu.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 00:07 GMT

#2043

On September 05 2013 09:04 thrawn2112 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?

Have you looked into Syl yet?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 00:17 GMT

#2044

Alright I going to grab some dinner.

GIve me that post on Sn0 and Syl that you promised thrawn

Marv, Onegu, Syl, Sn0, and Yamato - anything we get from you guys is what is going to find us the scumteam.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 00:21 GMT

#2046

On September 05 2013 09:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

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Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.

Yeah it make an eerie amount of sense o.O

But dinner time, bb in an hour or two

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 02:28 GMT

#2049

On September 05 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:

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On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...

On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture

So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.

Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:

On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:

On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.

... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.

No, you didn't explain at all why your Sn0 read is different. Let me walk you through your filter:

Before my night actions, you were all aboard the hapa/sn0 scumteam train:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=91#1815

Then you "mulligan" your reads, and post your vote-analysis, in which you call Sn0 "possible mafia"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=99#1961

... after which you conclude that 3 other people are scum. Still nothing about your sn0 town read.

So no, you did not explain why your Sn0 read is different. Ever.

Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game.

So why is it scummy as opposed to Rayn being absurdly emotional?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 02:33 GMT

#2050

I stand corrected. You say this about Sn0:

Sn0:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723

“consolidation vote” on Slam

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580

“consolidation vote” on FT

Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia.

On September 05 2013 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
I don't feel good about lynching Hapa because you're probably right about the doctor claim. That, and I've played like shit until now and I think I should completely ignore my biases against him.

Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off.

Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town.

I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona.

that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before.

Then you threw in a line here about Sn0. However that still doesnt' really tell me anything. How is the same? Does "similar" play preclude Sn0's scumgame?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 02:39 GMT

#2051

On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely

Marvel-babe

Where are uuuuuuuuu

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 03:10 GMT

#2052

I am trying to give a shit about this game and get us a successful lylo lynch, but it's getting really difficult when over half of you refuse to post.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 07:19 GMT

#2055

doop doop doop

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 08:13 GMT

#2057

On September 05 2013 16:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?

Feel no need to at this point. Since I'm confirmed town, I'd much rather wait on what other people have to say before I start making very concrete reads. I do have scum-reads, but I'd ideally like to see other people who are not confirmed contribute.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 08:14 GMT

#2058

Basically waiting on Sylencia, marv, and Onegu to catch-up and/or get back

I have outstanding questions to Yamato

As for Sn0... just reading his filter right now

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 08:18 GMT

#2059

Also Thrawn, can you post your more-complete Sn0 read that you promised earlier?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 19:50 GMT

#2215

On September 05 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay now seriously guys, Hapa and Sylencia:
Is your rolename seriously Conditional [insert role here]??

Yes. However you're getting on very edgy territory by analyzing role PMs.

@ Sylencia

I'm Conditional Lynchproof. Only works while water level is 750+, but if I was to be lynched the water level rises by 100 instead (and the next highest dies still). Crumbed it last night because that's when it became active (in the case of vig shots), but looks like no one caught on to it.

Where is your breadcrumb?

Rayn's case though, is next level reading and it's something where if you read it in the eyes of scum marv, you wouldn't ever really be able to see that kind of hole because you don't consider that sort of analysis on that post.

##Vote marvellosity

You voted marv under this rationale, but it's really wonky. A "next level reading" case isn't justification to vote someone, nor do I understand wtf that even means.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

September 05 2013 19:53 GMT

#2217

On September 06 2013 04:44 Onegu wrote:
This is the only night syl can be confirmed. If you have doubts about his claim, like I do the water should only go down from here. We most likely have to lynch scum everyday to win. Meaning the water will only go down. If it goes up by 100 it will still go down when mafia dies. Since it went up by 200 everytime a town got lynched I am guessing the same will happen when mafia dies which gets us below the 750 mark for syl to be lynchproof. Lynching him now either confirms him with little risk or kills scum. No other day can we do that and still win if he is telling the truth.

THe problem with this plan is that it's very doubtful town has the voting power to secure both the #'s 1 and 2 lynch.

We probably have 5 townies left in a town of 8 people, which means that 4 townies *must* be on the correct wagon to prevent any last minute switch scenarios by scum.