• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:52
CEST 16:52
KST 23:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou21Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four3BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET7Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)81
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech! Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Season 3 Qualifier Links and Dates $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
Is there anyway to get a private coach? BW General Discussion OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's Awful Building Placements vs barracks
Tourneys
ASL final tickets help [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B 300$ 3D!Community Brood War Super Cup #4
Strategy
TvP Upgrades Relatively freeroll strategies [I] Funny Protoss Builds/Strategies [I] TvP Marine Usage
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1679 users

Desert Mini Mafia - Page 15

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:54 GMT
#2036
Also Rayn, one of your scumreads is in the thread posting right now - pretty good opportunity to talk to him >>
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:57 GMT
#2038
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:58 GMT
#2039
I'll have to think about that some.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:02 GMT
#2040
Why would he PM syl of all people though>?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#2041
Ohhh Syl is hosting the game. Okey.

Eh. That does seem townie, but I'm not sure if it gives me a horrendously strong town-read on Onegu.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:07 GMT
#2043
On September 05 2013 09:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.


Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?


Have you looked into Syl yet?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:17 GMT
#2044
Alright I going to grab some dinner.

GIve me that post on Sn0 and Syl that you promised thrawn

Marv, Onegu, Syl, Sn0, and Yamato - anything we get from you guys is what is going to find us the scumteam.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 00:21 GMT
#2046
On September 05 2013 09:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.


Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.


Yeah it make an eerie amount of sense o.O

But dinner time, bb in an hour or two
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:28 GMT
#2049
On September 05 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.


No, you didn't explain at all why your Sn0 read is different. Let me walk you through your filter:

Before my night actions, you were all aboard the hapa/sn0 scumteam train:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=91#1815

Then you "mulligan" your reads, and post your vote-analysis, in which you call Sn0 "possible mafia"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=99#1961

... after which you conclude that 3 other people are scum. Still nothing about your sn0 town read.

So no, you did not explain why your Sn0 read is different. Ever.


Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game.


So why is it scummy as opposed to Rayn being absurdly emotional?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:33 GMT
#2050
I stand corrected. You say this about Sn0:

Sn0:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723

“consolidation vote” on Slam

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580

“consolidation vote” on FT

Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia.


On September 05 2013 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
I don't feel good about lynching Hapa because you're probably right about the doctor claim. That, and I've played like shit until now and I think I should completely ignore my biases against him.

Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off.

Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town.

I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona.

that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before.


Then you threw in a line here about Sn0. However that still doesnt' really tell me anything. How is the same? Does "similar" play preclude Sn0's scumgame?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 02:39 GMT
#2051
On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely


Marvel-babe

Where are uuuuuuuuu
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 03:10 GMT
#2052
I am trying to give a shit about this game and get us a successful lylo lynch, but it's getting really difficult when over half of you refuse to post.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 07:19 GMT
#2055
doop doop doop
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:13 GMT
#2057
On September 05 2013 16:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?


Feel no need to at this point. Since I'm confirmed town, I'd much rather wait on what other people have to say before I start making very concrete reads. I do have scum-reads, but I'd ideally like to see other people who are not confirmed contribute.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:14 GMT
#2058
Basically waiting on Sylencia, marv, and Onegu to catch-up and/or get back

I have outstanding questions to Yamato

As for Sn0... just reading his filter right now
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 08:18 GMT
#2059
Also Thrawn, can you post your more-complete Sn0 read that you promised earlier?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 19:50 GMT
#2215
On September 05 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay now seriously guys, Hapa and Sylencia:
Is your rolename seriously Conditional [insert role here]??


Yes. However you're getting on very edgy territory by analyzing role PMs.

@ Sylencia

I'm Conditional Lynchproof. Only works while water level is 750+, but if I was to be lynched the water level rises by 100 instead (and the next highest dies still). Crumbed it last night because that's when it became active (in the case of vig shots), but looks like no one caught on to it.


Where is your breadcrumb?

Rayn's case though, is next level reading and it's something where if you read it in the eyes of scum marv, you wouldn't ever really be able to see that kind of hole because you don't consider that sort of analysis on that post.

##Vote marvellosity


You voted marv under this rationale, but it's really wonky. A "next level reading" case isn't justification to vote someone, nor do I understand wtf that even means.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 19:53 GMT
#2217
On September 06 2013 04:44 Onegu wrote:
This is the only night syl can be confirmed. If you have doubts about his claim, like I do the water should only go down from here. We most likely have to lynch scum everyday to win. Meaning the water will only go down. If it goes up by 100 it will still go down when mafia dies. Since it went up by 200 everytime a town got lynched I am guessing the same will happen when mafia dies which gets us below the 750 mark for syl to be lynchproof. Lynching him now either confirms him with little risk or kills scum. No other day can we do that and still win if he is telling the truth.


THe problem with this plan is that it's very doubtful town has the voting power to secure both the #'s 1 and 2 lynch.

We probably have 5 townies left in a town of 8 people, which means that 4 townies *must* be on the correct wagon to prevent any last minute switch scenarios by scum.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 19:53 GMT
#2218
On September 06 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey hapa, do you have a vanilla fakeclaim?


It's a sample vanilla PM, but yeah I do
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 05 2013 19:53 GMT
#2219
And I'd suspect that every single mafia member has one too
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 494
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38987
Bisu 6586
GuemChi 5315
EffOrt 1748
Shuttle 1055
Flash 883
Mind 460
Larva 453
firebathero 311
Hyun 252
[ Show more ]
Light 231
Rush 113
JYJ92
Sea.KH 80
Mong 66
Shinee 58
zelot 53
Backho 46
ToSsGirL 40
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Terrorterran 13
Dota 2
Gorgc5380
qojqva2452
Dendi801
420jenkins306
syndereN136
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps692
allub184
oskar160
Other Games
singsing2297
Lowko435
Hui .345
Sick267
Liquid`LucifroN248
KnowMe203
B2W.Neo186
mouzStarbuck172
Trikslyr30
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL320
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 102
• Gemini_19 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1805
Upcoming Events
Online Event
1h 8m
RSL Revival
11h 8m
RSL Revival
19h 8m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 8m
OSC
1d
SKillous vs goblin
Spirit vs GgMaChine
ByuN vs MaxPax
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 19h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
BASILISK vs Streamerzone
Team Liquid vs Shopify Rebellion
Team Vitality vs Team Falcon
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.