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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:24 GMT
#1906
On September 04 2013 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:
On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now.

I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50.

No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town.

Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me.

Wish me luck!


What happened to the 50 water level drop? Is that only for saves from mafia kp?


Host gave me some vague answer, saying that "any blocked KP would result in -50 water level"

So you "don't know" what your save doe to water level, yet you include it in your claim!

SEEMS LEGIT BRO!


What are you even talking about?

I do know what it does with mafia KP. I.e if I block mafia KP, the water level goes down 50. I have no fucking clue what it does to 3rd party self-damaging shit
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:25 GMT
#1909
On September 04 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:
So Rayn, I still don't understand what you're getting at about my claim. From how the minutes leading up to the night transpired, I think I'm pretty much confirmed town >>

Why exactly are you confirmed town. Explain.


The fact that debears is alive right now. He claimed he was doing 1KP damage to himself (and thus killing himself).

He didn't die.

So someone had to have saved debears. The only person who has claimed that so far in-thread is me.

So unless someone else claims doctor, I am confirmed town.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:27 GMT
#1910
And honestly Rayn, why do yo ueven think I'm scum in the first place? All I've heard was "my play seems off" and "sheep Yamato"
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:31 GMT
#1917
On September 04 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well now it is, but why did you think it was?


He made an entire post martyring himself and saying he'd kill himself. Do you honestly think that could be fake?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#1919
I mean again, none of this is relevant.

The only thing that matters is that
a) we know that debears was telling the truth about his role PM
b) he has no incentive to lie about killing himself and/or his night actions
c) he did not die that night

So REGARDLESS of whatever my actions are, the NIGHT MECHANICS confirm me as town.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#1920
On September 04 2013 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine you are right.
##Unvote:

damn you debears.. :E


What dafuq is this?

You're fucking dissapointed that I can't be scum? Did you lose your mislynch target or something? Why so sad?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:42 GMT
#1925
On September 04 2013 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli, for real. Do you think marv is town?


I have to read through his filter again. I have been leaning town on him up until now, yes.

I'm going to go grab some dinner and compile some reads. On the bright side to this game, there are 7 non-confirmed players, and 3 scum. We have pretty good odds to catch one.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 23:45 GMT
#1926
and @ Yamato in particular

buckle up, because we're figuring out your allignment in the next 24 hours.
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.


If you pull this shit again, I'm insta-lynching you

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 00:14 GMT
#1933
Looking at Rayn with a level head, he has a 20 page filter, and the circumstances of his vet claim were so absurdly suicidal that I can't see scum fake-claiming there.

By all sensible measures, he's town and we should be lookign elsewhere for today's lynch.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 00:18 GMT
#1934
As for the unconditional mafia vigi thing, I think that's perfectly valid.

The roleblocker so far has been unconditional (if we are to believe debears, and what reason does he have to lie?) so it makes sense for the vigi to be unconditional as well.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 00:21 GMT
#1936
Marv, can I get some concrete thoughts from you about Yamato? Feel free to take your time, but I do want something more than "I feel torn".
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 00:23 GMT
#1937
And Rayn, I know you think Yamato is town, but I think that's a bad way to approach today.

We should be treating everyone null and starting over. It's LYLO, and we need to explore all possibilities. I'll be sure to look into TK and marv, but please give me your patience and look into a level head into the others as well.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 00:34 GMT
#1940
On September 04 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:23 Hapahauli wrote:
And Rayn, I know you think Yamato is town, but I think that's a bad way to approach today.

We should be treating everyone null and starting over. It's LYLO, and we need to explore all possibilities. I'll be sure to look into TK and marv, but please give me your patience and look into a level head into the others as well.

Yessir. Now that i know you are town i will do that when you ask.
I really felt like shit when you wanted to lynch Oats, lynch Oats and then lynch Oats whatever i said and that made me feel like you are scum. I'll sleep over night and take a full reread on everything.


Well I can't say I've been playing well up until this point myself.

However I have brought two towns back from LYLO, so this one's aint over yet.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 04:03 GMT
#1942
On September 04 2013 12:26 yamato77 wrote:
So I have some more time to reconsider, hm.

Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless.

I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so.


How quickly can you mulligan? We have 48 hours. Gotta move quick.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:11 GMT
#1977
On September 05 2013 05:57 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 05 2013 01:47 yamato77 wrote:
On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like:
Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time.

It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town .

Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive.

I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.

I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this.

This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl.
Maybe we should just lynch him.
##Vote: yamato77

You're tipped your hand. Since when did you lose your confidence in me being town?

Today we lynch scum.

##Vote Raynpelikoneet


Are you really voting the guy with the 20 page filter and is emotionally switching votes on the drop of a hat?

Really?

Also, what happened to your Sn0 read?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:14 GMT
#1980
On September 05 2013 06:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yay hapa is here.

Hapa I need somebody to sheep. Yam and rayn aren't any good for that right now. Find me scum!


Yamato is being really really bad. I really want to kill Yamato, though I intend to give him a bit more time to see what he comes up with.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:16 GMT
#1982
On September 05 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: above is a response to yamato
He literally dropped all his scumreads, they all became town, and all of his townreads are now scum.
No new evidence was brought up, besides sciberbia trying to shoot him, Hapa doccing debears and debears flipping 3p.


180's are possible. Hell remember you were telling me that Yamato "had to be town" only 24 hours ago.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:23 GMT
#1985
Sn0, who do you think is scum? I've seen you agree/criticize various posts and come up with a bunch of inconclusive statements in your last-reads post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=98#1944

... but really nothing conclusive from you.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:34 GMT
#1990
On September 05 2013 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Correct. I've read the thread and I'm pretty stumped.

The person I'm most sure about being scum is probably marv, but I have the least real reasons for that. It's part gut and part the fact that I feel like the thread ought to make more sense than it does and I'm laying that at his feet.

I thought Slam/Tofu/Oats were all scum and I came up dry 3 times :/


You seemed much more active in Persona 4 as town. Why the difference in activity this game?

Also, when Yamato was tunneling me in the middle of the game, you basically said this:
On September 03 2013 06:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmmm apologies all for nonexistant activity. Weekends and all that.

Lets lynch oats. Hapa seems like a terrible lynch. Slam is an acceptable substitute but I don't feel like we are learning as much if we lynch him. He feels coinflippy whereas Oats feels scummy.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


... and left it at that. There was very little explanation to your read, and you seemed more dismissive of the suspicions on me than anything else. Can you explain your thought process a bit more?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:36 GMT
#1992
On September 05 2013 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also can't see any reason for anyone to think thrawn is town. The dude has not done shit besides defended himself against me.


Thrawn is notoriously bad at playing scum. He clams up a lot and starts playing very scared.

Although this is all from a while ago, and I don't know how much it has changed.

Also regarding that "vote analysis" post by Yamato, one thing that makes me think it's scummy is how absurdly shallow the reasoning in that post is. He looks at the vote posts, but none of the context and circumstance behind them.
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