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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:39 GMT
#1727
On September 03 2013 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
What newbie game please? I've no idea what he's played in. fast?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423708&user=Alakaslam
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:39 GMT
#1728
Also, Slam is 20 minutes away from getting modkilled for not voting. We really shouldn't be lynching him >>
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#1732
On September 03 2013 07:40 sciberbia wrote:
so Alakaslam looks like he's getting lynched because he's not here to vote Oatsmaster =/

Doesn't strike me as mafia motivated.


^
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:49 GMT
#1737
Heeeere we go. Guess I'll go out and grab a drink in the meantime
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:55 GMT
#1740
On September 03 2013 07:55 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa y u scum


Sigh.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 22:56 GMT
#1741
Well would you like to talk about something while we wait?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:01 GMT
#1748
Well shit.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:04 GMT
#1751
Can we just have Alakaslam modkilled? It's basically LYLO and probably too late to get a replacement at this stage.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:16 GMT
#1757
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:19 GMT
#1759
On September 03 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture

dude i listened to you. why does marv not listen to you?
this game is so fucked up already i think they are both scum..


No one's listening to Yamato because his case is really bad and wrong. The only thing worth looking at from that case is if it's malicious or not.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:28 GMT
#1772
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:29 GMT
#1773
On September 03 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
you're retarded rayn.

Why the fuck would you lynch Oats? I am not bad at reading Oats.


because I think hapa, debears, and scib are all pretty townie. and a last minute panic looking at slam's filter in his scum newbie.

so you were right about oats, yes.

debears is most likely town yes. I do not like AT ALL the D1 wagon on Oats, i do not like AT ALL the D2 wagon on Oats. Do you think i am doing some fucking random stuff of fakeclaiming mason to save people? I do that because my read on Oats was so strong i can't see how he could possibly flip scum. Yes, i am not always right, but i am not stupid either. Two days, TWO FUCKING days there has been the Hopeless/Alakaslam lynch, what has happened the last couple of hours of the day?

Hapahauli comes in and pushes Oats lynch because "he can't decide if this is town or scum Oats". Fuck that's so scummy i don't even know what to say! And people sheep.


Did you even read my latest post on Oats before the lynch?

Also, a significant reason of why Oats was the better lynch yesterday was because Alakasam simply wasn't here (and should have been modkilled).
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#1776
On September 03 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

Then why are you lynching Oats and not those inactive lurkers, like Alakaslam?


Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.


Oats was extremely inactive in the last few days, especially when compared to his town standards.

That being said, I was wrong, and defending my lynch choice is nothing but a losing argument =/
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:32 GMT
#1778
On September 03 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
you're retarded rayn.

Why the fuck would you lynch Oats? I am not bad at reading Oats.


because I think hapa, debears, and scib are all pretty townie. and a last minute panic looking at slam's filter in his scum newbie.

so you were right about oats, yes.

debears is most likely town yes. I do not like AT ALL the D1 wagon on Oats, i do not like AT ALL the D2 wagon on Oats. Do you think i am doing some fucking random stuff of fakeclaiming mason to save people? I do that because my read on Oats was so strong i can't see how he could possibly flip scum. Yes, i am not always right, but i am not stupid either. Two days, TWO FUCKING days there has been the Hopeless/Alakaslam lynch, what has happened the last couple of hours of the day?

Hapahauli comes in and pushes Oats lynch because "he can't decide if this is town or scum Oats". Fuck that's so scummy i don't even know what to say! And people sheep.


Did you even read my latest post on Oats before the lynch?

Also, a significant reason of why Oats was the better lynch yesterday was because Alakasam simply wasn't here (and should have been modkilled).

lol, your "best" point against Oats has been he has not been involved and "disappeared in critical times".


My rationale for lynching Oats was far mor ethan that:

As for Oats, I seem to always remember his play this game as a lot "townier" than his filter actually is.

The bottom line is that one of the spazziest, craziest, insane town players on TL is playing anything but.

A meta-tell I like using with Oats is something I talked with ObviousOne about a few months back. Oats always displays "madness". HOwever, when his madness is "focused", he is mafia. A town oats will spaz back and forth about everything in the thread, to the point of violently and uncompromisingly pushing unpopular lynches and attacking town leaders.

This game, Oats is attacking lynch-bait. Lynch-bait, over and over again. And not only that, but he's remarkably passive about almost all of it.

I can see the townieness in Slams' filter, and I really can't justify keeping Oats alive any more. His filter reads like scum, and I think we should kill Oats.

##Vote Oatsmatser


But again, what do you want me to say? I was wrong, and I really can't defend my rationale in retrospect.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#1782
On September 03 2013 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, that's bullshit because you said you have "changed your mind 3000x times on Oats". You can't possibly have a good read on him if you have done so!


It's called making the best of a bad situation. The two lynch candidates were Slam and Oats. Both of which I have waffled on many times this game. So after looking at them both over the past few hours of the day, I had to make a decision.

And I did.

Tough decision, and a really bad decision in retrospect, but a decision nonetheless.

Then you want to lynch him, of all the inactives who you now accuse of being scum. Because Oats is the most likely of them to stay inactive. Right?

Bullshit.


Of the list I gave, Oats and Slam were the only realistic lynch options.

And I thought Slam was townier. And hell I thought Slam would have been modkilled which is extra incentive not to kill the guy.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:39 GMT
#1783
On September 03 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:35 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:

Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.


I want to +1 this. If you guys knew my name+alignment you'd probably be lynching me on the fact that I haven't been foaming at the mouth for much of this game. People don't seem to care lately with the exception of scib all game long and hapa just recently. I have no idea what's causing this, but discussion in this game has proven to be entirely unhelpful. I'm gonna re-read the entire thread sometime before D3 and if anyone has the time, I'd like them to do the same.

The game is probably over at the daypost.


That doesn't mean it should be played as if it's over. Anything like this is pure speculation. Hell I suspect that the water-level thing is more of a gimmick as opposed to some snow-ball mechanic for the winning party.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:48 GMT
#1786
On September 03 2013 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dear Serial Killer. If you want to stand chance of winnig this game shoot Hapahauli or Tutankoopa. Please.
goodnight town!


Why do I even bother talking to you >>
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 02 2013 23:50 GMT
#1787
Well Yamato if you're not going to be around like you said you would, I'm going to take a break.

Also, if anyone wants a santiy-break from this game, I'mma going to try to hos tsome voice mafia games at 8:30 EST on TeamSpeak (exactly 40 minutes from this post).
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#1789
On September 03 2013 11:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
I forgot my password for the smurf account, tried to password reset, then forgot the email account associated with it.



Oh well


LOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 03 2013 05:43 GMT
#1793
On September 03 2013 12:04 debears wrote:
Btw Hapa and Scribs,

How many scum do you think we have amongst the actives?

I just have a gut feeling there is at least one. I really think 2 is the true answer doh


I don't know if I like framing things like that. Maybe there's 1 active scum, but it's doubtful we're going to catch them unless we find the lesser one(s) first.
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