Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII

On August 27 2013 20:09 LoneMeow wrote:
/out

Motorcycle accident, in hospital...

/obs

On September 09 2013 05:02 Holyflare wrote:


No, there are far more lynch worthy targets, especially on the ray/myrzeth bandwagons. If you are ignoring that I am heavily inclined to think you are scum since your entrance in last game was:

"omg this is so easy why u vote him just lynch people on wagon" and then this response is a complete 180 flip, so yeh, hello scum!

On September 09 2013 05:12 Umasi wrote:
'so I also noticed that they were in discussion' you mean lord velocity and bereft?
uuuuuh, of course I noticed they were in discussion. It was all over the thread.
I don't have convincing reads to push either way, and LV is afk so it's not the main issue right now.
Why did you vote for bereft and then immediately ask holyflare about a lord velocity lynch
don't say you're crazy, that's not an answer

On September 08 2013 13:08 Bereft wrote:
##Vote: MyRZeth

reasons include:
a. he sux bawls
b. it's pretty clear - he's not going to change his mind about lurking anytime soon
c. i think there's definitely 1 scum in the bunch that voted for ray. the sudden piling of votes onto ray was weird. i'm wondering if the shift of votes had anything to do with myrzeth being mafia and his mafia buddies freaking out with him about to get lynched

in any case i would like to hear from killerdog why he switched his vote as well as from the town why another player may be a better candidate for lynch today.

On September 09 2013 05:20 infii wrote:
Koshi what do you think about LoneMeow?

On September 09 2013 05:28 infii wrote:


You can read up my thoughts about Umasi in my analysis. Nothing has changed.

On September 07 2013 08:27 Bereft wrote:
NOOOO NOT MY BUDDY BLURRY. blurry I will avenge you.

@HolyFlare FINALLY someone else sees it.

posting from my phone right now, will be around to post if not tonight then definitely tomorrow.

On September 09 2013 05:47 infii wrote:


I'm not sold on Bereft. If you look it up, he announced myrz as his top lynch target before the NK here + Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2013 13:08 Bereft wrote:
##Vote: MyRZeth

reasons include:
a. he sux bawls
b. it's pretty clear - he's not going to change his mind about lurking anytime soon
c. i think there's definitely 1 scum in the bunch that voted for ray. the sudden piling of votes onto ray was weird. i'm wondering if the shift of votes had anything to do with myrzeth being mafia and his mafia buddies freaking out with him about to get lynched

in any case i would like to hear from killerdog why he switched his vote as well as from the town why another player may be a better candidate for lynch today.

On September 09 2013 06:01 killerdog wrote:
Right now it feels like all that's happening (other then holyflare and infii going back and forth) 3) is koshi and holyflare pushing for voting for people who aren't here.

Where is everyone else? If you're reading please speak T.T

On September 09 2013 05:42 killerdog wrote:


I don't like the logic of this post. Maybe I've just misunderstood it though.

You're saying it's mylo because unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're going to end up in a situation tomorrow with potentiallly 3 players, (myrzeth, pharcyd3 replacement and koshi) who haven't said shit. Therefore, unless we lynch a mafia tonight, we're done tomorrow. (sorry if I misunderstood.)

The issue i have with that is, if you're afraid of being in a situation where people haven't spoken enough, why on earth do you not want to lynch myrzeth. If we lynch myrzeth tonight, and he's mafia, then we have breathing room and can use the extra time to find mafia. If he's town we're in mylo tomorrow (or lylo if velocity gets modkilled) but with 1-2 less quiet people complicating everything.

If we lynch someone else and they're mafia, we gain an extra turn or two to get reads/lynch myrzeth (if he's still afk.)
If we lynch someone else and they're town, we're in lylo/mylo tomorrow, except we will have 2 or 3 people who we have no reads on, instead of 1-2. It's a bit of a prisoners dilema situation, but I see it as, lynch a mafia tonight, good. myrzeth and he flips town, bad. Lynch someone else and they're town, worse.

Therefore you'd have to think someone is almost for sure scum to lynch them tonight in place of myrzeth. While there are scummy people here and there, I'm not sure if anyone qualifies as scummy enough.

Secondly, You're giving two of the scummier people a free pass out of being voted off. If either velocity or myrzeth are scum (and I think the chances of them both being town are pretty low) then there are only 2 mafia in the rest of the game. (worst case scenario 1 if koshi is mafia.) If koshi is mafia, then (even assuming one of infii/lonemeow is mafia) we have a 50% chance of fucking ourselves if we pick the wrong one.

I'm not we have to lynch myrzeth at all, I'm just saying I think going "whoever wants to lynch myrzeth is scum" is stupid, especially for the reasons you gave.

On September 09 2013 06:08 killerdog wrote:


I've stated my reasons for not wanting to vote for bereft/lonemeow unless we're sure they're scum already. And given this is a newbie game, they could easily have been just suspicious town play (as evidenced by chairman ray.) I would much prefer to at least have a chance to see them respond to the accusations, and make a judgement then.

Have you been reading my posts?

On September 09 2013 06:09 killerdog wrote:


So why are you so against lynching myrzeth?

On September 09 2013 06:12 infii wrote:


Isn't lurking a scum trait?
However, considering how late Koshi went in he can't really afford to make long cases against people. So I don't blame him for that.

On September 09 2013 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
dumbest fucking game i've played, koshi comes in with the worst reads i have ever seen in my life, bandwagons on with the scummiest 'town' and now we've had a blue and green modkilled from fucking inactivity

On September 09 2013 07:18 Holyflare wrote:


you call infii town when the entire game nobody has said the equivalent of that at all, it showed you hadn't read anything and then you straight up voted umasi who was the ONLY other person to talk day 2, if you get replaced do some reading, don't throw shit out the window.

On September 09 2013 07:19 Holyflare wrote:


even if he fucking flips scum voting him was the worst shit i've seen all game

On September 09 2013 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146&currentpage=28#558

first caps letter of every sentence showed bereft was town

On September 09 2013 07:20 Holyflare wrote:


you had no reasons to vote him, no pressure on him, no logic, no analysis 'oh infii said he'd vote him lets do it'

On September 09 2013 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
If you vote bereft you are also just dumb, he's not voting LV because LV is a fucking modkill as far as we know and if not he's getting replaced. I'm actually more than tempted to vote for a koshi lynch at this point in time because the stuff he is saying is beyond scummy.

On September 09 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
but yeh that modkill when we were told he'd probably get replaced completely made me switch to koshi, would have gne with lone or infii otherwise but even if it was infii we still would have lost i guess

On September 09 2013 07:39 Holyflare wrote:


that raised suspicion and then you did ridiculous votes

On September 09 2013 07:40 Umasi wrote:

on the flip side, koshi scum mvp.

On September 09 2013 07:41 Umasi wrote:
well, you read me as scum for the wrong reasons haha, same with infii.

On September 09 2013 07:45 Umasi wrote:


then stop insulting holyflares play.

On September 09 2013 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
Then you are shit at this game and deserve to die if you flip green.

On September 09 2013 07:50 Holyflare wrote:
read obs qt, everyone thought ray was best lynch, i thought you read the game bro?

On September 09 2013 08:04 killerdog wrote:


You came into the game, and started tunnelling onto bereft, who at least I had down as townier then most, brush off or ignore any criticisms. I point out how it appears from my perspective and you basically call me bad at mafia then leave for 30 minutes. I'm not saying lynching you was wise, but can you not see how you came off?

On September 09 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote:

Cool. I think you are pretty town.

Or a scummer that has a death wish. Claiming RB.

On September 09 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'd say 99% town. Unless all the scumteam has been under heavy suspicion on D1 and Ace has made a big plan he should not be doing in the first place. :D

On September 09 2013 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have not read the game but i would say the guy attacking N1 roleblock is definitely scum.

On September 09 2013 16:00 infii wrote:
Can anyone explain a bit why claiming RB is towny?
I mean I knew I was town, but from looking from the outside the claim ist just WIFOM isn't it?

On September 09 2013 16:45 Blazinghand wrote:
was bereft alive after holyflare died, and did the check on bereft help town?

On September 09 2013 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
If you vote bereft you are also just dumb, he's not voting LV because LV is a fucking modkill as far as we know and if not he's getting replaced. I'm actually more than tempted to vote for a koshi lynch at this point in time because the stuff he is saying is beyond scummy.

On September 09 2013 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
Then you are shit at this game and deserve to die if you flip green.

On September 09 2013 16:52 Blazinghand wrote:


When you come back, read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814&currentpage=17#322


bear in mind Palmar is like actually the best

On September 09 2013 17:17 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm afraid I'll just be useless and get mislynched right away in a normal game so I think I'll obs for a while first.

I didn't get to use the coaches anywhere as much as I should have in my newbies, I really should have asked for more coaching in the first game. 2 scum games out of 4 newbies sucked given how much I dislike playing scum.

On September 09 2013 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
But koshi sorry if i said some mean things, was just incredibly annoyed at wasting my time for a game to end in modkills :/ it also confused me how you wrote that you didn't want to focus on a wagon as it had "90% of people on it" but then you straight up voted umasi after no reason posts at all, coupled with how hard you were pushing bereft it looked scummy as hell, to me at least, but i didn't have much time to read things though which i usually do in a game because you got replaced so late

Also all of you who were talking about being roleblocked you talk as if only scum can do the roleblocking? If there is a jailkeeper and he blocks a guy that has really said nothing the entire day 1 there is nothing you can discern from that surely as he has a 1/4 ish chance of hitting scum that night? If you were scum that got roleblocked the nightkill still goes through and there's nothing stopping you from saying that you got roleblocked in that case?

On September 10 2013 00:58 infii wrote:


The sticked newbie mafia guide praises quality of posts over quantity, that's why I mostly wrote huge posts. Do you think I should've stayed with the thread more conistently but with less content?

I really had problems with reading and formulating my last big analysis. I spent like 10h of work on that one. Any hints on how to improve efficiency on analysis?