Persona 4 Mini Mafia

On August 19 2013 01:54 DarthPunk wrote:
If people hydra count me /out

On August 20 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR; Why the fuck do players feel the need to tell anti-town roles how to play correctly?

Can you answer me Oats & yamato? How does what you said help town? Do you think my proposition did somehow harm the town?

On August 20 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is this not an upside:
"We then judge them later on (are they helping town or not). If they are not, we lynch them, if they are - mafia needs to kill them (not kill a townie)."

?

On August 20 2013 21:18 Koshi wrote:
So what will we do with useless players and afkers? Lynching them is not working out for town lately D:

On August 20 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you giving all this general Advice Onegu, that no one asked for?

On August 20 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Onegu, 4 times you post about stuff that people have stated or not asked you about, all setup speculation and stuff like that, non alignment indicative and you 'look' useful, but 0 effort in finding scum.

On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu?

On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong?

On August 20 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier.
that's the difference.

On August 20 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

so whos scum??

On August 20 2013 22:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're taking the the stance most 'accepted' in thread.

On August 20 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:




lololololol

On August 20 2013 22:51 Onegu wrote:



You look the worst right now what do you want.

On August 20 2013 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Did you read the game i am talking about? How do you know i am right ans WoS is wrong because i have given no proof about it?

On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now?

On August 20 2013 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours.

PS Onegu did the disappear thing.

On August 21 2013 12:37 kushm4sta wrote:
k im done reading!

I want to lynch either FIRMTOFU or ONEGU

FT all he has done really is made this post:


basically he is saying everyone is sort of scummy for vague meta reasons. ok



ONEGU
I want to lynch him for his constant regurgitation of thread sentiment. He never expresses any idea that has not already been expressed.
GUIZ HE'S WATCHING HIS SICK KID! like that is some sort of excuse? That means you should have more free time not less. Sick kid you sit them in front of the TV or something gg.

On August 21 2013 12:16 geript wrote:
First off, I think the Rayn Train is just way off base and I'm going to treat him as if he's been drunk the whole day. He's likely town but not worth listening to as he's just calling people scum if they disagree with him and completely ignoring anything that's happening outside the whole "WOS IS SCUM BRO!!!!!!!! KILLLEEEEEEEETTTT" shit that's going on.




I want to line up these quotes because I think it's important. This is really is really odd reaction to me. Crazy is apparently new but picks up the "Let's not post at night time and paint targets on ourselves" BS that WoS advocated. Here's why I think it's scum mentality:
1. Bland +1 without bothering to read even 5 minutes after for a clear and obvious counterpoint
2. He doesn't come in with the "don't post at night" mentality but instantly buys it.
These things don't add up to me for good reason. The points Koshi brings up are automatic counterpoints in my mind; if I'm town, then I want to be able to find other town and tell the healer to heal me instead of scum; I want to tell the Vig not to shoot me and I want to tell the cop to find scum somewhere else. But having not come in with the silent night mentality some places/people advocate, he gets instantly swayed by a weak point on self preservation. That reads really, really off to me as newbie town who isn't likely going to be shot regardless. That's just a really weird mentality to take instantly from a town perspective. Talk and shit. Night Night time for me.

I'll be on more tomorrow afternoon and thursday afternoon. I'll post more then. If I die, look into FT and Rayn. Rayn is only town based on activity to me and his ultra tunneling and lack of desire and will to look around really rub me wrong.

@Rainbows. I want to chat with you some later if we're both on at some point so hmu.

On August 22 2013 18:56 Koshi wrote:
the Snowman his games:

Mexican Standoff mafia - Town. Full of 1 liners and an I don't give a fuck attitude.

Boardwalk empire mafia - Town This is pro-town posting and I don't see the Snowman be so extreme like he is in this game. At the end he says he was happy with his game, so I don't see why he decided to be a total nutcase this game.

Newbie Mini Mafia - Town cop Again superb play.

Newbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Town The link brings you to the second page of his filter. Look at the first post there. Then look at the Snowman his filter this game.
___________________________________________________________________________

After filterdiving the Snowman I am sad. The guy can play superb mafia and decided to play really shitty this game. I can almost not believe that now that he rolled scum for the first time he would play like this. But why is he playing so bad?

##unvote
##vote: The Snowman

Pick your shit up dude. Pick it up or scumclaim.

On August 21 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote:



Yeah so he attacks me and FT.

First FT first post was fine and I got a townie feeling from it not scum.

And for me you attack me for no reason, I was already getting attacked from a few people for makeing posts that only add my thoughts to a existing arguement which is fine, but you jumping on me for this post when someone was talking about me disappearing is scummy.

Also you say you are ok with a WoS lynch just because its good for rayne or lolz rayne is wrong. Then you say its a bus if WoS scum? Why do you feel that way?

On August 22 2013 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont care about what he did in GoT.

Yamato useless, Crazy dude might be scum, kush is town for giving a fuck.

What are all these questions about?? Like why ask me about 3 people who probably wont be lynched today?

On August 21 2013 11:04 kushm4sta wrote:


WHA TTHE FUCK!!!! what teh fuck did i do.... i decide to read the newest two pages and come up with this shit.
like dude I am reading the thread, giving my thughts as a read htem. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO POLICU LYNCH ME I DID NOTHING

On August 21 2013 23:53 kushm4sta wrote:
bro i read everything so far and I am ready to own this game for realz

On August 22 2013 22:29 Koshi wrote:

Onegu. What about this? Is he bussing his m8s?

On August 22 2013 22:36 Koshi wrote:

I agree. He does give FT a townread a bit later and wants to lynch rayn while "defending" yamato.
A lot of people are giving Kush a townread. I think it has to do with Kush not being confident in his reads? He was jumping everywhere in GoT as well.

On August 22 2013 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

context is that last game people shit on him for not reading the thread.
And you were in the last game with Kush.
Therefore, you are scum trying to take something that is a joke and make it out to be scummy.

On August 22 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu what has changed? Why are you not willing to vote for WoS any more? On N0 he was your top suspect.

On August 22 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
except kush's posts that Onegu pointed out are jokes rayn.

I dont know which post you are referring too.

On August 21 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote:



Yeah so he attacks me and FT.

First FT first post was fine and I got a townie feeling from it not scum.

And for me you attack me for no reason, I was already getting attacked from a few people for makeing posts that only add my thoughts to a existing arguement which is fine, but you jumping on me for this post when someone was talking about me disappearing is scummy.

Also you say you are ok with a WoS lynch just because its good for rayne or lolz rayne is wrong. Then you say its a bus if WoS scum? Why do you feel that way?

On August 22 2013 22:24 Onegu wrote:



Why even post this, he is talking about what you did in precious games not this one and I and 95% certain he was jokeing. And you flip out about it, way overreact.




He does this multiple times, he says im on this page, or I read everything, or I read that twice. He is trying to push how active he is on us. Why post these? Because he is scum and feels he needs to tell us how active he is, and why people give him town cred for this is beyond me.

Almost all of his other posts are attacking someone or withdrawling his attack on the same person.

And kusk why were you ok with a WoS lynch but if he flipped scum it was a rayne bus?

On August 23 2013 13:46 FirmTofu wrote:

Our two lynches for today are Sno_man and WoS. Ideally, we should consolidate on one so that we can prevent scum from vote-switching to save their ally right before the deadline.

Two questions for you:
Which one do you think is more scummy?
Why?

On August 23 2013 14:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Can we all switch to Onegu?
Have you come up with a unique thought all game dude? Rayn is right how the fuck DID I forget about you?

On August 23 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

No I attack you for not having an original though all game like I stated. You just piggyback on the cases and thoughts of others.
If you're just sheeping to consolidate that's one thing, but you didn't say that.

On August 23 2013 15:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pretty sure its u flipping but ofc if its me I flip town. I'd lynch rayn tomorrow even if I got mod confirmation he is town just so we can have a decent town atmosphere I think. Actually then id lynch koshi mebbe? Unsure. PS onegu's a scumbag, not sure if dat makes him scum dis game PPS screw autocorrect PPPS its a real shame we can't have a proper deadline with actual ppl around for it cuz I'd really like to not lynch u.

On August 22 2013 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
well if WoS does flip red at some point I think we can safely assume kush is town. If he was scum he would jump all over the chance to bus a partner this early.

This game is kinda turning into titanic v2 and I am quite bored but don't feel like trolling this time, meh.

On August 23 2013 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Koshi, i got this. WoS will flip red.

On August 23 2013 17:57 Koshi wrote:

Yeah nothing wrong here. Did you like the case WoS made on rayn? Did you like WoS his n0 play?

On August 23 2013 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi possibly can't be mafia. I know how Koshi breadcrumbs. He in fact did breadcrumb jailor in GoT when you made the fakeclaim with Oberyn if you look closely enough Onegu. Clarity was the only one who nearly caught that. His breadcrumb looks much alike this game (his miller crumb).

On August 24 2013 03:37 FirmTofu wrote:
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense.

On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.

Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for.

On August 24 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu, the "red check" isn't a red check. It's a "same check". When we have no idea about either Rayn or Koshi's alignment, it is presumptuous to assume that either of them are scum. The only correct course of action is to request a vig shot on one of them so we can determine the alignment of the other. I have already asked for this. The fact that you are unable to reason through this is deeply troubling.

Furthermore, what exactly in that post made "you feel better about Crazy"? Please explain, because there is nothing redeeming about Crazy's post.

On August 24 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:

Of course, town could claim SAM. You think scum is more likely to claim SAM than town? Why?

On August 24 2013 15:22 FirmTofu wrote:
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM

BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory.

On August 24 2013 15:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: Why is situation 1 unlikely?

@Onegu: Don't you find it incredibly dangerous to fakeclaim a named role, which is typically claimed immediately if it exists, before everyone in the game has even posted? Any of the remaining people could have been the actual SAM. And if he was going to fakeclaim in that situation, then why wait to claim instead of doing it earlier?

On August 24 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote:

Koshi claiming SAM as an SAM is clearly stupid. Why claim when there is absolutely no net gain to town with your claim? You draw attention to yourself. You risk being counter-claimed. People like Onegu will accuse you of scum because this is a potential scum play. etc..

On August 24 2013 15:34 FirmTofu wrote:

I can see that happening, but I still don't think it's as likely as Koshi being idiot town. We can look into a Koshi lynch if rayn doesn't get shot tonight. I'm not totally against lynching him.

On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
@Crazometer: What happened to your suspicions of geript? Current thoughts on johnny?

@Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum?

@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game.

On August 25 2013 22:45 Koshi wrote:

WoS was on him + see Kush cases. (Not being mentioned by Crazo is interesting.)

Also Onegu tried to go for a Kush lynch for policy? While Kush was doing wayyyyyyyyyyy better than in GoT and there Onegu wasn't on Kush but fully on me.

On August 26 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Alright, this is why I believe we should lynch Onegu instead of yamato today.


Soft defends crazo while trying to make geript look scummy for accusing him.


Appears to just be trying to discredit Koshi while still agreeing with his conclusion. If you believe sn0 is a mislynch (which is the way I'm leaning), this looks really sketchy. It's something to point at after sn0 flips and say, "Look at when I called him out for his scummy reasoning!" Onegu hasn't even given reasons of his own for finding sn0 scummy at this point.


Unvotes his main scumread while clearly stating that he still thinks he's scummy.


He's fine with lynching both, and places his vote on the one he hasn't mentioned other than to tell Koshi that he agrees sn0's scum. Says he'll go over their filters, allowing him to switch if needed.


Doesn't want to lynch yamato -> we should lynch sn0 even though they're both scummy

Also, we should look at FT because he doesn't think we should give the "same" check too much weight. I agree with FT here, since scum (likely) had more control over the situation than town did. Onegu says he should be killed in some way or town atmosphere will be completely destroyed (which is a strange thing to say because I'm pretty sure we kinda broke that ourselves). He doesn't even say that FT is scum, just that the atmosphere will suffer. The "case" he presents isn't "why FT is scummy and should be lynched", it's just "Why FT should be lynched".

And again defends crazo, not stating a reason.


He liked crazo's post for calling FT out, which doesn't indicate alignment. Then gives himself an out in the future, saying that he wants him to actually do townie things, but until then this non-alignment-indicative statement will suffice.

Aside from his mentions of crazo, it's hard for me to outright explain Onegu's scumminess other than to say that most of his actions appear to come from a scum mindset. He agrees with thread sentiment, while always leaving himself a way out. He appeared pretty unconcerned with who, out of sn0 and WoS, would be lynched. Some things, like setting Koshi up to look suspicious in the event of a sn0 lynch, can't be confirmed until Onegu or sn0 actually flip, but given how I feel about Onegu, sn0, and Koshi, it is convincing for me.

And ultimately, while I believe both Onegu and yamato could be scum, I'm more convinced that Onegu is, and Onegu's flip will shed more light on yamato than I believe yamato's will shed on Onegu.

##Vote: Onegu

On August 22 2013 05:05 FirmTofu wrote:
I still think scum is betting that we don't reread dead player filters. I know I did in Titanic. Sno is pretty scummy independently of the NK anyway. I can't say the same for Rainbows.

I would say the WIFOM still favors sn0 being scum over town.

There are two possible scenarios:
1) If the scum team has a veteran leader, then DP may have been killed for his reputation.
2) If the scum team has no veterans, DP has to have been killed for his reads.

I don't think you can say DP was looking extremely pro-town on N0. I really don't see players who are unfamiliar with his reputation killing him unless he was doing something right and they wanted to silence him.

Veterans(People who are familiar with DP's repuatation):
rayn
Oats?
geript?
Vayne?
yamato77?
WaveofShadow?

Is there anyone else?

Therefore, if you believe one or more of these people are scum, then DP may have been killed for his reputation instead of his reads.

Personally, geript and WoS are the scummiest on that list for me. geript due to meta and WoS for a weak defense/general apathy. I still find sn0 independently more scummy than the combined scumminess of geript and WoS.

---

Based on your initial beliefs, you should be able to run through this logic and find out who exactly you should be voting. If you are hesitant to lynch any of the veterans, sn0 is your best bet.

On August 22 2013 05:12 FirmTofu wrote:

Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK.

Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it.

On August 23 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote:

My intention was not really to paint Sno_man as scummy. I was literally posting stuff that I was thinking. As town, I like to be as transparent as possible. If I'm thinking something, I usually post it.

I understand you think my theory is unlikely, but can you explain how:
FirmTofu posts an unlikely theory=> FirmTofu is scum
?

On August 23 2013 16:12 FirmTofu wrote:
In the interest of consolidation, I'm going to vote WoS.
##vote: waveofshadow

On August 24 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote:



Pretty much. The game is a lot easier when you know all the answers, do you disagree? I never like rolling town because I feel useless.