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On August 15 2013 13:42 Alakaslam wrote: + Show Spoiler + Quite convenient that you two share an avatar. As I can't, I made mine unique until another broodling flyer comes in... Don't know if that helps people at all but whatevz. Out of curiosity is it because they are like a free mason? If so, I'm sure we could make a small balance adjustment. . . We have lots of roles to work with. We could add VT, subtract blues, give scum more power roles, etc. I'm sure it can be made to work. Syl, your take? Yes. They give two people a confirmed townie to share thoughts and discuss the game with. Which may not seem like a lot but is actually a huge advantage. | ||
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On August 15 2013 14:19 Sylencia wrote: Has there been a game where a hydra has given town a clear advantage? I have limited experiences with them myself, but I never saw them as being overpowered. Read the endgame discussion on the hydra mafia II game. Multiple people agreed that hydra's were very town favoured. | ||
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On August 15 2013 18:11 Crazometer wrote: Thanks. I think I'll hang out here as well though. I've always considered myself a bit of a Kanji Tatsumi and would love the opportunity to finally live it out. You definitely don't want to do two games at once. either do the newbie or this game. (probably the newbie) | ||
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On August 16 2013 10:59 Alakaslam wrote: Hey syl, dp, marv: why do people find it so important to be around at deadline as a player? I have never really cared, but I discovered forum mafia on TL so go figure... Because if you aren't around people like to lynch you cause it is easy. Of the three times I have been lynched. Two were solely because I wasn't around at deadline. The other was in my first newbie. | ||
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On August 16 2013 19:16 Koshi wrote: ^ Kush is really good at giving "nothing" effort. I would take the promised 110% and never let go. WTF? why does everyone have this view that kush doesn't give an effort/ is bad. I have never found that to be the case and i have obs'd/played with him since his newbie. | ||
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On August 19 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote: Just re-iterating for any filter-divers: The deadline for this game is 5:00 AM for me. That means that it is exceedingly likely I will NOT be around for ANY deadlines, nor for the hours immediately preceding. I say this before the game starts, for obvious reasons. Other than that, GLHF. lynch this man. | ||
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This game: On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do. From Carnival Cruise On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote: Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment. On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. | ||
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Aside from this dissonance from rayn. I don't really give a fuck about policy. The person most likely to be scum is Koshi. He is following the trends of the thread with quick position reverses and one liners. On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote: Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role. Obviously he has no opinion yet tries to contribute to the discussion. Whilst saying absolutely nothing and backflipping within the space of a post. I also don;t like the awkward post-hoc clarification he does as he tries to diminish his backflip On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote: I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem. On August 20 2013 21:35 Koshi wrote: about the self-aware miller (survivor can fuck off) The rest of his filter is useless one liners and a hilarious OMGUS | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers. This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point. Nah I call bullshit on that. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Your explanation flies in the face of never claiming miller when you don;t know THE EXACT NUMBER and that a townie SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED. Like I know you were fucking wrong in carnival cruise about millers and I agree with you this game that millers should claim. But the fact you have backflipped and your justification for your previous position directly contradicts your previous position means something is fucking wrong. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: DP can you get on the shit on WoS train? Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote: So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you look at Basterd mini mafia, which was between these games. Why not? If that has some relevant info you should have posted THAT as your explanation. If you think I am going to look through all your games to answer a question for you, you are fucking retarded. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP did you read what i said about WoS? Thoughts? On August 20 2013 23:12 DarthPunk wrote: Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers. In a both a closed and semi open setup you do not even know if there are any millers nor their number. The set-up being semi-open vs closed does not absolve you of the contradiction On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point. In both closed and semi-open setups there may be an investigative role/s. The fact that the set-up is semi-open does not change the fact that you said townies (and millers) should never be checked by a cop. In response to a similiar proposition that you are now using to justify your reversal. Regardless of the set-up being semi-open or closed your explanation directly contradicts your previous belief that one should never claim miller when you don't know THE EXACT NUMBER of millers and that a townie and thus a miller SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED. Instead of giving a simple or reasonable explanation to your shift in policy you have provided bullshit reasons and excuses. And I want to know why. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote: Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role. On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote: I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem. On August 20 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote: Meh, dnu if I should claim now or later. Actually wanted to claim with my first post but decided to wait a bit. But I am the self aware miller guy. Burn him with the fire of a thousand suns. On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote: The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would Koshi freak out if we both were scum? Because DP is accusing him for nothing? This guy next. INherent fucking guilt. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your case is debunked from Basterd mini mafia where i immediately asked all millers to claim (we knew there was 0-2 millers). So why didn't you say you had learned in the first place?!?! without all these previous explanations. The fucking backflips continue. Now you are altering your entire argument and the whole premise of your original explanation is quickly dismissed in favor of when that isn't flagrantly fallacious. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:36 Koshi wrote: I just wanted to wait a bit and now feels like a good time to claim. Also with the case on me I thought it would be more obvious. I should breadcrumb a bit better. Let's see: I was thinking the same. Was thinking I should claim with my role. Kinda asking the thread if I should claim or not. You make me feel better :D I wanted to roll town but this role was looking silly. But still better than scum. Also, now that I know I have to claim it is maybe not too horrible. about the self-aware miller (survivor can fuck off) ^ should have been my response to rayn in the first place. ________________ take it or leave it. This is not a breadcrumb. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell? You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS. | ||
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He had to go look for a breadcrumb ffs. Which was just posts of him SAYING MILLERS SHOULD INSTA CLAIM. I have no fucking idea how rayn could possibly think he is town. or that anyone would ever give him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: You should probably make a case then. Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta: LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike. I have made a case. Also don't tell me what to do. K thnks. The setup changes nothing about your arguments and the manner in which they contradict the very premise you were defending. you are trying to make this about meta. it is not. It is about you directly contradicting yourself. For no foreseeable reason. I'm done with you 'input' I am happy to talk to others about it. | ||
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That isn't what you originally said. IN fact that is the kind of response I expected. But you made some bullshit arguments instead which directly contradicted yourself and only started bringing in further "clarifications' which were in fact entirely new argument because your original explanation was so bad. Regardless I am interested in other things right now and this conversation is no longer productive. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town. What gives? I was expecting a reasonable explanation rather than a fallacious one. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS. That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me. | ||
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Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because BEFORE YOU EVEN CALLED ME OUT FOR MY ORIGINAL EXPLANATION i wanted to CLARIFY IT AS I REALIZED IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD. Am i being clear enough? It wasn't misunderstood. It was complete bullshit. So you tried to change your explanation. Because it was complete bullshit. Why is Koshi town? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Koshi would not claim miller as scum. I am pretty sure of it, at least now. I like his explanation. I called you scum because you are not even willing to investigate the WoS matter. He is clearly mafia as he is avoiding answering questions -> not wanting to prove his towniness. I'd rather wait on WoS as I said to oates. Explain why Koshi would not claim miller. What about his explanation do you like? Do you think it makes sense for koshi to repeatedly call for millers to claim and then to not claim? Is this a meta read? if so could you link me to a relevant game? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote: This Koshi talking is somewhat boring. But I can answer that. Because I don't call JK when 4 people are telling me to claim it. I am not going to claim something "under pressure" because 1 guy made a case. I simply won't do that. But even if I did it, you guys are seriously overreacting that this is a 100% scumclaim. Dnu how long you are going to keep hammering on it. It is a 90% scumclaim | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not care to explain my townreads unless they are in danger of getting lynched. Now excuse me, i'm gonna make a case on WoS. You are fucking out of your mind if you think koshi isn't getting lynched. Why you not talking Rayn? Townies love to talk. Maybe you aren't a townie. IN fact. Since when do townies flat out refuse to discuss their townreads that just claimed miller? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh but i can reference this. Last game Koshi did not fakeclaim Jailkeeper when he was under serious pressure from BOTH town AND his scumbuddies. A fake jailkeeper claim is FAR more complicated than a miller claim. Take it from someone who solo'd a scum win off the back of a fake Jailkeeper claim. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is people are accusing Koshi of fakeclaiming here, now, because "he is in fear of getting lynched for it". You do not know the jailkeeper situation, at all. In the last game townie claimed a watcher who had watched 2 people visit a roleblocked townie and if those two people did not claim, we would lynch them. One guy claimed medic (reasonable), another one was either roleblocker or JK. We were screaming to Koshi in mafia QT "fuck you, why are you trying to throw the game, the only way you can survive is to claim JK". Koshi kept his head calm and said "no way i am claiming, the dude is fakeclaiming watcher". He was fakeclaiming. Does this sound like a dude who being called out for something in his couple of first posts would panic as scum and fakeclaim miller? He said that the miller should claim countless times. He then does not claim miller until much later whilst under duress and with a shit "breadcrumb" despite being active in the thread. He was an already scummy player. With a suspect as fuck miller claim. And a breadcrumb that was obviously looked for after the claim. It is possible that he was just retarded townie. But unless a better option presents itself. (which I do not believe is WoS atm) he dies. | ||
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He has my hypothetical vote until he gives an answer to both the original question, butt more importantly explains his avoidance discussing it. | ||
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Rainbows could be scum from the way he entered the thread. Watching closely. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: also geript and snoman are scummy. DP, what do you think of geript & snodude? they both need to post more. Koshi isn't getting a free pass either also it's 230 am i'm out. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote: between this and this, DP, what changed? I de-tunnelled after re-reading the thread in order to gain a fresh perspective. it's something hapa does to great success. thought i would try it. | ||
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Right. well that is my explanation. take it or leave it. I'm out for real. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote: actually, DP what do you mean by 'viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town'? If I was wrong about rayn and he was town. Then his analysis and meta of koshi was genuine and trustworthy making it far more likely that koshi was, in fact, being a retarded townie. Then taking away koshi as a suspect and ignoring my tunnel, Rayn actually had the best case in the thread and pointed out a lot of things about WoS that i also have problems with (avoidance of discussion being the major thing) | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Rainbows is mafia too. OK. we can be friends. I bet you saw what i saw too. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn had 1 of 2 cases in the thread. How is making a good case = town? Especially with the avoidance of discussion being so fucking obvious? I was already viewing him as town because after i de-tunnelled a lot of his interaction/frustration with me came across as townie. like he says he won't discuss koshi but he can't let it go and does anyway. he got into a shit fight with me willingly and didn't back down. That shit is hard to fake. Could he be faking? sure. But i have more reasons to think he is town than to not do so. So already viewing rayn as town. He has the best case in the thread, I want to put my weight behind it and see what is up with WoS. I also trust rayns analysis of koshi based on their previous game. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: See Ego and apparently Titanic? He's probably drunk. Oh ok. well he is totes town. Who you want to lynch WoS and why? That isn't onegu. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't want to talk about Rayn at all anymore. This may be exactly what he wants at this point but I honestly don't care. I could lynch Onegu atm. I should probably read into some of the players I haven't looked at yet like Rainbows (who I know is a competent player). FT who is your PRIMARY scumread? That is, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? And what meta tells you that Geript and Vayne are scum? I don't see how either of them have really posted enough tot ell you anything. Rainbows is very likely to be scum. One post of his confirmed it. I will be interested to see if you see what i see. Take a look and get back to me. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:49 kushm4sta wrote: yo rayne you should smoke weed instead of drink alcohol then maybe you woulnd't be such an asshat Hi kush. What do you think of rainbows and Sn0_man? | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I might be drunk now but i am not a fucking idiot. Wos is. And he is scum,. LMAO. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote: DP I read Rainbows---the only thing I got out of it is his seeming...i dunno...eagerness to drop the scumread on Sn0 since it wasn't being picked up in thread? I don't think I'm seeing what you see though. I re-read his filter and it could be nothing. I just wrote a full case and it wasn't as strong as I thought it was. What do you think of Sno_man | ||
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Plz look at Rainbows and Sn0_man Town - Kush, Oats, Rayn, Koshi Everyone else is null or mildy scummy. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:05 johnnywup wrote: gg 1v14 report team I thought I was playing decently for the first half or so of the game. Then I felt like everyone was being so painfully obviously scum. And school started for me so I wasn't able to post. Having an obvious scum like yamato and a new player in crazo wasn't the easiest, and also have geript be the person I was replacing (and him being obviously scum) wasn't easy. FT was a scumread of mine before I even replaced in, I thought he was sort of obvious. I'd like to think I was less obvious, at least until I lost interest. I sort of lost interest when it became obvious how low our shots were. I also think this setup generally favored town, but maybe I'm just bitter. There were too many confirmed townies that we could never lynch and too few people that could actually be mislynch targets. Bleh, whatever. Gratz to town! LOL no. This setup was scum favored IMO. | ||
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On September 02 2013 17:43 Koshi wrote: For shooting evul guys and get us on the right track. I think kush did more of the latter. The shot was good, but could easily have been a townie as well. | ||
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On September 03 2013 13:16 kushm4sta wrote: yamato why are you so terribad at scum | ||
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