Persona 4 Mini Mafia - Page 3

On August 23 2013 14:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Can we all switch to Onegu?
Have you come up with a unique thought all game dude? Rayn is right how the fuck DID I forget about you?

On August 23 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

No I attack you for not having an original though all game like I stated. You just piggyback on the cases and thoughts of others.
If you're just sheeping to consolidate that's one thing, but you didn't say that.

On August 23 2013 15:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pretty sure its u flipping but ofc if its me I flip town. I'd lynch rayn tomorrow even if I got mod confirmation he is town just so we can have a decent town atmosphere I think. Actually then id lynch koshi mebbe? Unsure. PS onegu's a scumbag, not sure if dat makes him scum dis game PPS screw autocorrect PPPS its a real shame we can't have a proper deadline with actual ppl around for it cuz I'd really like to not lynch u.

On August 22 2013 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
well if WoS does flip red at some point I think we can safely assume kush is town. If he was scum he would jump all over the chance to bus a partner this early.

This game is kinda turning into titanic v2 and I am quite bored but don't feel like trolling this time, meh.

On August 23 2013 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Koshi, i got this. WoS will flip red.

On August 23 2013 17:57 Koshi wrote:

Yeah nothing wrong here. Did you like the case WoS made on rayn? Did you like WoS his n0 play?

On August 23 2013 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Koshi possibly can't be mafia. I know how Koshi breadcrumbs. He in fact did breadcrumb jailor in GoT when you made the fakeclaim with Oberyn if you look closely enough Onegu. Clarity was the only one who nearly caught that. His breadcrumb looks much alike this game (his miller crumb).

On August 24 2013 03:37 FirmTofu wrote:
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense.

On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.

Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for.

On August 24 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu, the "red check" isn't a red check. It's a "same check". When we have no idea about either Rayn or Koshi's alignment, it is presumptuous to assume that either of them are scum. The only correct course of action is to request a vig shot on one of them so we can determine the alignment of the other. I have already asked for this. The fact that you are unable to reason through this is deeply troubling.

Furthermore, what exactly in that post made "you feel better about Crazy"? Please explain, because there is nothing redeeming about Crazy's post.

On August 24 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:

Of course, town could claim SAM. You think scum is more likely to claim SAM than town? Why?

On August 24 2013 15:22 FirmTofu wrote:
The way I see it:
1) Koshi is SAM and claims SAM
OR
2) Koshi is scum and claims SAM

BOTH are unlikely. There is no realize reason to claim in both scenarios, so it is clear that Koshi made a bad play. However, I do not think the play was alignment indicative. Bad town play is synonymous with bad scum play in that neither alignment want to be doing it. If you can explain to me why scum Koshi would claim SAM, I may consider your theory.

On August 24 2013 15:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: Why is situation 1 unlikely?

@Onegu: Don't you find it incredibly dangerous to fakeclaim a named role, which is typically claimed immediately if it exists, before everyone in the game has even posted? Any of the remaining people could have been the actual SAM. And if he was going to fakeclaim in that situation, then why wait to claim instead of doing it earlier?

On August 24 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote:

Koshi claiming SAM as an SAM is clearly stupid. Why claim when there is absolutely no net gain to town with your claim? You draw attention to yourself. You risk being counter-claimed. People like Onegu will accuse you of scum because this is a potential scum play. etc..

On August 24 2013 15:34 FirmTofu wrote:

I can see that happening, but I still don't think it's as likely as Koshi being idiot town. We can look into a Koshi lynch if rayn doesn't get shot tonight. I'm not totally against lynching him.

On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
@Crazometer: What happened to your suspicions of geript? Current thoughts on johnny?

@Onegu: When you say "town" do you mean SAM, or a VT who is decidedly not SAM? I'd agree that random VTs would never claim SAM, because that's 100% nonsensical. There's absolutely no reason for it. Given the situation this game, where Koshi claimed before everyone else in the thread posted, do you think it's more likely that he is scum?

@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game.

On August 25 2013 22:45 Koshi wrote:

WoS was on him + see Kush cases. (Not being mentioned by Crazo is interesting.)

Also Onegu tried to go for a Kush lynch for policy? While Kush was doing wayyyyyyyyyyy better than in GoT and there Onegu wasn't on Kush but fully on me.

On August 26 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Alright, this is why I believe we should lynch Onegu instead of yamato today.


Soft defends crazo while trying to make geript look scummy for accusing him.


Appears to just be trying to discredit Koshi while still agreeing with his conclusion. If you believe sn0 is a mislynch (which is the way I'm leaning), this looks really sketchy. It's something to point at after sn0 flips and say, "Look at when I called him out for his scummy reasoning!" Onegu hasn't even given reasons of his own for finding sn0 scummy at this point.


Unvotes his main scumread while clearly stating that he still thinks he's scummy.


He's fine with lynching both, and places his vote on the one he hasn't mentioned other than to tell Koshi that he agrees sn0's scum. Says he'll go over their filters, allowing him to switch if needed.


Doesn't want to lynch yamato -> we should lynch sn0 even though they're both scummy

Also, we should look at FT because he doesn't think we should give the "same" check too much weight. I agree with FT here, since scum (likely) had more control over the situation than town did. Onegu says he should be killed in some way or town atmosphere will be completely destroyed (which is a strange thing to say because I'm pretty sure we kinda broke that ourselves). He doesn't even say that FT is scum, just that the atmosphere will suffer. The "case" he presents isn't "why FT is scummy and should be lynched", it's just "Why FT should be lynched".

And again defends crazo, not stating a reason.


He liked crazo's post for calling FT out, which doesn't indicate alignment. Then gives himself an out in the future, saying that he wants him to actually do townie things, but until then this non-alignment-indicative statement will suffice.

Aside from his mentions of crazo, it's hard for me to outright explain Onegu's scumminess other than to say that most of his actions appear to come from a scum mindset. He agrees with thread sentiment, while always leaving himself a way out. He appeared pretty unconcerned with who, out of sn0 and WoS, would be lynched. Some things, like setting Koshi up to look suspicious in the event of a sn0 lynch, can't be confirmed until Onegu or sn0 actually flip, but given how I feel about Onegu, sn0, and Koshi, it is convincing for me.

And ultimately, while I believe both Onegu and yamato could be scum, I'm more convinced that Onegu is, and Onegu's flip will shed more light on yamato than I believe yamato's will shed on Onegu.

##Vote: Onegu