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On August 20 2013 23:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell? You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS. You should probably make a case then.Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta: LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike. I have made a case. Also don't tell me what to do. K thnks. The setup changes nothing about your arguments and the manner in which they contradict the very premise you were defending. you are trying to make this about meta. it is not. It is about you directly contradicting yourself. For no foreseeable reason. I'm done with you 'input' I am happy to talk to others about it.
Apparently you are missing my statement where i clarified my stance to Oats.
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On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).
DP did you read this post at all?
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On August 20 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:54 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. Well, I just tried to make a lot of posts about the topic. Could have done it more obvious but I really had no clue if I should insta claim or wait it out a bit. Come on Koshi. Why didnt you claim at the start? Because I didn't know if it was the right play. That's it. So simple. That's why I made the statement that selfaware millers should claim at start. To see what people would say. I could also have said: "guys, do self-aware millers claim at start?" But that looked obvious. no thats not what you were thinking. You were thinking how claiming could get you killed, or help scum or help town. SPECIFICS KOSHI. Not knowing if its the right play means that you were thinking about the DOWNSIDES OF CLAIMING.
I was also considering if claiming instantly could hurt town. But I had no clue.
Rayn also said before day 1. Not instantly. So I just wasn't sure...
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rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.
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On August 20 2013 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours.
PS Onegu did the disappear thing.
Nah Im here I have a sick kid I am watching but Im still here.
Yeah no idea why he wouldnt claim right away. Looks really bad, and his breadcrumb isnt really a breadcrumb. Going to look over his filter now. Also not seeimg rayne as scum yet. Dont agree with the whole survivor thing but the way he pressured WoS looks townie.
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On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.
Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town.
What gives?
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On August 21 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). DP did you read this post at all?
That isn't what you originally said. IN fact that is the kind of response I expected. But you made some bullshit arguments instead which directly contradicted yourself and only started bringing in further "clarifications' which were in fact entirely new argument because your original explanation was so bad.
Regardless I am interested in other things right now and this conversation is no longer productive.
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On August 21 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.
Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town. What gives?
DP assumes you would say something like 'what I did in CCM was wrong'
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Onegu really sheeping town sentiment.
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On August 21 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.
Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town. What gives?
I was expecting a reasonable explanation rather than a fallacious one.
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On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.
On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).
Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS.
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On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS.
I have been looking for real scum, thanks for acknwoledging that, Rayn.
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On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS.
That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me.
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On August 21 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right.
Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town. What gives? DP assumes you would say something like 'what I did in CCM was wrong'
Why the fuck would it matter if what i did in CCM was right or wrong in my opinion?
It does matter what i do in this game and for what reasons. I gave pretty clear reason (at least when you asked me) for why i did what i did.
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Rayn,
Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum?
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On August 21 2013 00:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS. That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me.
Because BEFORE YOU EVEN CALLED ME OUT FOR MY ORIGINAL EXPLANATION i wanted to CLARIFY IT AS I REALIZED IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD.
Am i being clear enough?
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On August 21 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:12 DarthPunk wrote:On August 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP? Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS. That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me. Because BEFORE YOU EVEN CALLED ME OUT FOR MY ORIGINAL EXPLANATION i wanted to CLARIFY IT AS I REALIZED IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD.Am i being clear enough?
It wasn't misunderstood. It was complete bullshit. So you tried to change your explanation. Because it was complete bullshit.
Why is Koshi town?
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On August 21 2013 00:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn,
Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum?
Because Koshi would not claim miller as scum. I am pretty sure of it, at least now. I like his explanation.
I called you scum because you are not even willing to investigate the WoS matter. He is clearly mafia as he is avoiding answering questions -> not wanting to prove his towniness.
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Rayn, talk about Koshi.
Why would he not do it as scum, and what do you like about his explanation?
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On August 21 2013 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn,
Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum? Because Koshi would not claim miller as scum. I am pretty sure of it, at least now. I like his explanation. I called you scum because you are not even willing to investigate the WoS matter. He is clearly mafia as he is avoiding answering questions -> not wanting to prove his towniness.
I'd rather wait on WoS as I said to oates. Explain why Koshi would not claim miller. What about his explanation do you like?
Do you think it makes sense for koshi to repeatedly call for millers to claim and then to not claim? Is this a meta read? if so could you link me to a relevant game?
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