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On August 20 2013 23:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Meh, dnu if I should claim now or later. Actually wanted to claim with my first post but decided to wait a bit.
But I am the self aware miller guy. Why didnt you claim in your first post? Why did you decide to wait 4 hours? I really didn't know if that was the best course of action. So what changed your mind? What were you thinking about? Why was it bad for you to claim in your first post and good for you to claim now? Dnu, was thinking about it the entire time. But now seems like a good moment. Answer the questions. There must be reasons. "Dnu" not a reason. I just wanted to wait a bit and now feels like a good time to claim. Also with the case on me I thought it would be more obvious. I should breadcrumb a bit better. Let's see: Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do. I was thinking the same. Was thinking I should claim with my role. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote:
Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role. Kinda asking the thread if I should claim or not. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:38 yamato77 wrote:On August 20 2013 20:37 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 20:36 yamato77 wrote:On August 20 2013 20:35 Koshi wrote:
If I roll survivor I will just claim with my first post and afk the rest of the game. Biggest chance to success. ... Did you not read your role PM or something? I did and I was disappointed. Because you rolled scum again? Lol. You make me feel better :D I wanted to roll town but this role was looking silly. But still better than scum. Also, now that I know I have to claim it is maybe not too horrible. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted? I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do. I was thinking the same. about the self-aware miller (survivor can fuck off) ^ should have been my response to rayn in the first place. ________________ take it or leave it.
This is not a breadcrumb.
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On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game.
Well, I just tried to make a lot of posts about the topic. Could have done it more obvious but I really had no clue if I should insta claim or wait it out a bit.
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Do you people really think I would do such a play as scum D:
I am somewhat hurt.
lol.
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Here this is from LXI.
On April 22 2013 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 05:20 grush57 wrote:Also hello everyone! STARSENSES (not again :O ) On April 21 2013 17:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
At this point I need to come with something like Starsenses since I roll town every single fucking game. Grush help me come up with something! abyssal passion? Idk why we let ppl waste time with setup discussion and millers. like ITS SCUM DISTRACTIONS BRO. However d1 is stupid so, hopeless? Millers totes important, bro. Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored.
On April 28 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not.
On April 28 2013 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Sharrant I was trying to mention miller as much as possible without getting involved in the discussion to see if anyone would pick up on it, but I've never been able to crumb properly so lol.
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On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?
You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS.
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On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote:
Do you people really think I would do such a play as scum D:
I am somewhat hurt.
lol.
I don't know your play from a hole in the wall. Giving you the benefit of the doubt is all thats making me uneasy here. Your play was awful regardless of alignment, but it still looks like a scumclaim no matter how I look at it.
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On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. Well, I just tried to make a lot of posts about the topic. Could have done it more obvious but I really had no clue if I should insta claim or wait it out a bit.
Come on Koshi.
Why didnt you claim at the start?
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@WoS: "Hey look at examples where I failed in previous games" is not a valid thread contribution... 
Maybe that came across wrong, but I don't terribly care how badly you failed at breadcrumbing in the past. In a simple mini setup like this, there is simply no way self aware miller shouldn't immediately outright claim. Something I'll admit I didn't know in my only SAM game but that was a Newbie. And we had already established this with Koshi reading LONG before he claimed.
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On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS.
You should probably make a case then.
Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta:
LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike.
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On August 20 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. Well, I just tried to make a lot of posts about the topic. Could have done it more obvious but I really had no clue if I should insta claim or wait it out a bit. Come on Koshi. Why didnt you claim at the start?
Because I didn't know if it was the right play. That's it. So simple. That's why I made the statement that selfaware millers should claim at start. To see what people would say.
I could also have said: "guys, do self-aware millers claim at start?" But that looked obvious.
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On August 20 2013 23:52 Sn0_Man wrote:@WoS: "Hey look at examples where I failed in previous games" is not a valid thread contribution... Maybe that came across wrong, but I don't terribly care how badly you failed at breadcrumbing in the past. In a simple mini setup like this, there is simply no way self aware miller shouldn't immediately outright claim. Something I'll admit I didn't know in my only SAM game but that was a Newbie. And we had already established this with Koshi reading LONG before he claimed.
It means I can identify with the thought process somewhat if he's actually town. What I am having trouble with is the timing of his claim. If you're going to claim like 3 hours into the game, why bother hiding it at all?
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No. This is retarded. If someone tells everyone to claim miller immediately multiple times and then doesn't claim immediately. They are fucking scum. I don't care what he posts afterwards. He was ALSO UNDER DURESS WHEN HE MADE THE MILLER CLAIM. This is not a claim free of suspicion, with adequate breadcrumbs or a straight up claim.
He had to go look for a breadcrumb ffs. Which was just posts of him SAYING MILLERS SHOULD INSTA CLAIM.
I have no fucking idea how rayn could possibly think he is town. or that anyone would ever give him the benefit of the doubt.
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On August 20 2013 23:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote:On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. Well, I just tried to make a lot of posts about the topic. Could have done it more obvious but I really had no clue if I should insta claim or wait it out a bit. Come on Koshi. Why didnt you claim at the start? Because I didn't know if it was the right play. That's it. So simple. That's why I made the statement that selfaware millers should claim at start. To see what people would say. I could also have said: "guys, do self-aware millers claim at start?" But that looked obvious.
no thats not what you were thinking. You were thinking how claiming could get you killed, or help scum or help town.
SPECIFICS KOSHI.
Not knowing if its the right play means that you were thinking about the DOWNSIDES OF CLAIMING.
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On August 20 2013 23:55 DarthPunk wrote:
No. This is retarded. If someone tells everyone to claim miller immediately multiple times and then doesn't claim immediately. They are fucking scum. I don't care what he posts afterwards. He was ALSO UNDER DURESS WHEN HE MADE THE MILLER CLAIM. This is not a claim free of suspicion, with adequate breadcrumbs or a straight up claim.
He had to go look for a breadcrumb ffs. Which was just posts of him SAYING MILLERS SHOULD INSTA CLAIM.
I have no fucking idea how rayn could possibly think he is town. or that anyone would ever give him the benefit of the doubt.
My good man, you are trying to justify my lynch with saying:
OMG THIS GUY SO BAD PLAY, SHOULD HAVE FUCKING CLAIMED AT START!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did this play as self aware miller.
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Oh wow, didn't think I'd be replacing in this quick. Busy starting school. I'll post tonight.
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N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours.
PS Onegu did the disappear thing.
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See, Sn0, it's posts like this that made me post my previous game.
On August 20 2013 23:55 DarthPunk wrote:
No. This is retarded. If someone tells everyone to claim miller immediately multiple times and then doesn't claim immediately. They are fucking scum. I don't care what he posts afterwards. He was ALSO UNDER DURESS WHEN HE MADE THE MILLER CLAIM. This is not a claim free of suspicion, with adequate breadcrumbs or a straight up claim.
He had to go look for a breadcrumb ffs. Which was just posts of him SAYING MILLERS SHOULD INSTA CLAIM.
I have no fucking idea how rayn could possibly think he is town. or that anyone would ever give him the benefit of the doubt.
I already showed how a late self-aware miller claim is possible in the fact of people calling for a claim immediately.
I do agree that Koshi's claim is far worse than what I did for your reasons and my earlier one, but the point remains that it is possible Koshi could be town.
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On August 20 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell? You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS. You should probably make a case then.Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta: LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike.
I have made a case. Also don't tell me what to do. K thnks. The setup changes nothing about your arguments and the manner in which they contradict the very premise you were defending.
you are trying to make this about meta. it is not. It is about you directly contradicting yourself. For no foreseeable reason.
I'm done with you 'input' I am happy to talk to others about it.
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Oh speaking of cases, that reminds me.
Rayn where's your case on me?
Was your threat an empty attempt to get me to explain myself?
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