On August 31 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would never leave fuba alive twice in a row as a confirmed town. Neither rayn nor kush was actually confirmed, I'm not a terrible scum player.

DAT WIFOM holy shit thats the WIFOMiest WIFOM in history.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 30 2013 17:44 GMT

#2642

that seems incorrect since if Johnny is scum he has been bussing his whole team so far. He's been on yamato and crazo so no I don't think flipping tofu does anything. It's sad that I suspect him for being so RIGHT about everything but that's where I'm at right now. He never really gave good reasoning for his reads just kinda threw them out there. That's why I think johnny flips scum.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 30 2013 17:45 GMT

#2643

also, that is not WIFOM when I have played with people here before. They know im not a retarded scum player.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 17:46 GMT

#2644

Dat triple bus mega-lurk scum play LOL. I do see your point but I'm really having a hard time believing that is the case lmao.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 17:49 GMT

#2645

Maybe me and johnny are town and thats why scum didn't bother killing fuba since they can sheep confirmed town and vote for townies in the process?

I mean, that was the strat LAST time (admittedly it didn't work) but it makes some amount of sense, and its more foolproof if (and this is a big if) fuba is only on townies now so he can't mess it up like last time for them.

It makes as much sense as anything else. Your role in it is still WIFOM unless you think that this would prove a rainbows/FT scum team. Which it would if it wasn't WIFOM obviously.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:01 GMT

#2646

Agreed. I want to lynch FT or VA.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 30 2013 18:07 GMT

#2647

Oh shit, I'm not dead. GG Kush~

I think it's probably because I was pushing for a Sn0 lynch, as well. That changed sometime last night, though I didn't mention it. Looked through (a bit of) his filter, and he genuinely seems to be trying to figure out the game. I could be wrong, but I don't want to lynch Sn0 today. I'm kinda going between FT and johnny atm.

I don't think Vayne is scum. This "experiment" feels like something a bored town vayne would do, but a scum vayne wouldn't risk. I'm pretty sure I haven't played with a scum Vayne before, but this feels right. And, generally speaking, I've agreed with most of his reads this game.

Johnny's vote for yamato seemed contrived to me. Actually, a lot of his filter feels like he's trying to get info out of town so he can either try to manipulate the voting or find a reason to be on the right wagon. Though I will say he seems to be bussing pretty consistently (though definitely not all that aggressively) through his entire filter. First crazo, then yamato. I'm worried that I'm really tunneling on him, but I just get this strong feeling of "correctness" when I read through johnny's filter as scum.

Rainbows... He keeps pushing the thread when we seem to need it. And at the moment, he's thinking the same thing as me: either johnny or FT get lynched today. It's possible he knows those are mislynches, and as such could easily make that statement as scum, but they're in line with my current thoughts and he's semi-locked himself into voting either of them.

-More thoughts coming later-

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 18:27 GMT

#2648

I wish we could get the 4 potential scummers all in here at once. I wanna know who they wish to lynch. 1 choice from each. Or 2 I guess but I prefer 1.

Rainbows: FT/Johnny
Vayne: Johnny
FT: Afk
Johnny: Afk

Actually, at this point its too much wifom and too easy to bus for this to matter, but still. I feel like there should be some info there.

Hmm, I'm tempted to say the scumteam is EITHER FT/Johnny or VayneBows (hue). I'm not sure a FT/Johnny scumteam makes sense due to my previous comments on johnny and bussing but I'll admit vayne did point out it as possible.

Does anybody else remember some interactions between Vayne and Rainbows? I don't remember them ever commenting on each other...

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:30 GMT

#2649

Rainbow made a list in which VA was town

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:32 GMT

#2650

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&user=Rainbows&view=all

Do Ctrl+f and type in "vayne". Rainbow has been harddefending Vayne through the entire game. Looks townie from Rainbow his side I think.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 18:33 GMT

#2651

K but you have rainbow as town mostly right koshi?

Reasons?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:34 GMT

#2652

Here is Johnnywup his filter from GoT
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=johnnywup&currentpage=2

The guy had 4.5 pages in a game where he was alive till the end. Does almost nothing but is for some reason always hunting scum. GoT was wayyyy harder than this game.

I don't know...

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 18:34 GMT

#2653

Maybe I shouldn't put it like that, I'm jsut saying that rainbows has sucessfully dodged any push at lynch (except very briefly d2) and I don't get why everybody has him as town. I'll be OK if people can supply real reasons.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:39 GMT

#2654

On August 31 2013 03:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
K but you have rainbow as town mostly right koshi?

Reasons?

A stupid reason is maybe his reaction to alaksalam coming in thread and "confirm" me? I see scum being only butthurt in the scumQT. But recently he is backing off on that read, which is hard to do as scum when mods enter the scene.

His tunneling on the Lion King at the start. After the confirm he confirmed his town/scumreads and I agreed with that list. You could say he was following thread sentiment at that time but he for sure wasn't on the Lion King.

If Rainbows is scum he isn't stuck in 1 mindset. He is superflexible on everything.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:40 GMT

#2655

But not that flexible that it looks like he doesn't care.

It's the perfect balance.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 18:44 GMT

#2656

On August 24 2013 23:51 Rainbows wrote:
VayneAuthority
johnnywup <---- Pandas?
Sn0_Man <---- Hodor?
mkfuba07
FirmTofu <--- maybe mafia, if mafia with craze/mkfuba then decently good at distancing.
Onegu
Rainbows
kushm4sta
Koshi
raynpelikoneet <--- lol
yamato77

Yeah I like this list, a lot. I'd prefer Mkfuba but I guess I sheep for now.

##Vote: Yamato77

This list with 2 confirmed town as scum

Yes yes it has yamato as red etc but I'm simply not sold on it. Yamato has been soft-bussed since D2 when it was 7-0 voting for yamato. D3 where he got lynched there was an effort to save him but there was also obviously some bussing since in the end only 2 people were NOT on him.

Not that it makes him scum either just that nothing is screaming town to me. I took his comment in the thread about "mod-confirming" as completely null wifom. I feel like we need to consider all the options in our lynch now that the game can be solved or very nearly so.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 18:52 GMT

#2657

You do realize back then you had 1 read which was Rayn = scum and you repeated that 100 times?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 18:56 GMT

#2658

Ouch.

Sure.

Maybe u make the point that reads should change then >_>

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 19:01 GMT

#2659

Rainbows has clear believes through the game, but he doesn't tunnel them too harshly or doesn't limit his play.

He has believed VA is town since Crazo made that post about him. He believed the Lion King was scum after he made that case. Don't forget that Kush also had the Lion King/Onegu as scum after Crazo was shot. Rainbows had the Lion King before that as scum. Nothing bad about that.

Rainbows is just not scummy to me. If I have to compare Rainbows with FT/Johnny/VA I wouldn't want to lynch Rainbows over any of them.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 19:04 GMT

#2660

Alright I can live with that.

It really isn't that I want to lynch rainbows over the others just that I don't want to give him such a free ride.

I'm now thinking lynching vayne might tell us the most, although that might be a mistake. Good thing we have like 36 hours I guess.