We need reasons now. Why the Snowman or FT? I agree that they look like scum, but I think both aren't. yamato said that both looked like good targets to lynch. You think he would say that the way he did?

Look at Vayne his filter, it's useless, there is nothing pro-town, while in Titanic Vayne trolled but had also left and right pro-town tinted posts that were smart and he got killed for it. This game he does a LOT of soft pushing people. He saw a scumslip on Kush, found rayn scummy, said Wos was probably antitown, pushed Onegu slightly, pushed you for that interaction about Crazo, has pushed sn0.

The only townreads he gave were the Lion King and me, because of our claims.

Then there are 2 things I don't like in his filter. But I am holding those back.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 14:26 GMT

#2607

Didn't yamato hammer vayne day 1?

Busses occur but that one would surprise me from a largely inactive/useless yamato.

Anyways, I promised vote analysis so that will show up fairly soonish. There is a lot of thread to re-skim to get a feel for exactly how the votes went down (and a lot of cohost filters to peruse for votecounts).

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 14:30 GMT

#2608

sn0 if you are town. Then we had 2 town wagons. Scum wasn't pressured to vote anywhere. Bussing yamato is never bad as he will get caught.

It's not like VA was pressuring town to vote yamato the day he was lynched. VA added his vote after the 3 obvious townies and yourself.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 30 2013 14:31 GMT

#2609

VA never rallied town to vote yamato btw.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 30 2013 16:06 GMT

#2610

For my own reference

DAY 1 - TOWN LYNCH

WaveofShadow: (7) Raynepelikoneet, Oatsmaster, mkfuba07, kushm4sta, Koshi, Onegu, johnnywup
Kushm4sta: (1) Crazometer
mkfuba07: (1) Rainbows
Sn0_Man: (2) FirmTofu,Waveofshadow
VayneAuthority: (2) Yamato77, Sn0_Man
Yamato77: (1) VayneAuthority

DAY 2 - TOWN LYNCH

Onegu: (5) Koshi, Rainbows, mkfuba07, VayneAuthority, Johnnywup
Yamato77: (3) Kushm4sta, Onegu, Raynepelikoneet
Raynepelikoneet: (1) Sn0_Man
Rainbows: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu

DAY 3 - MAFIA LYNCH

yamato77: (6) kushm4sta, Koshi, mkfuba07, Sn0_Man, VayneAuthority, johnnywup, Rainbows
Sn0_Man: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 30 2013 16:20 GMT

#2611

@Koshi

Are you insistent on a Vayne lynch? Why not Sn0_Man or FirmTofu? One of them is certainly scum.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 16:29 GMT

#2612

Vote analysis time.

I was gonna analyze the Onegu mislynch but that was led by Koshi/Fuba/Rainbows. I'd be willing to call rainbows scum for it but mostly was koshi/fuba and they are the closest we have to confirmed town so... The Yamato lynch!

+ Show Spoiler [ First Relevant VC] +

On August 28 2013 18:32 Sylencia wrote:
Vote Count

yamato77: (2) kushm4sta, Koshi
Koshi: (1) FirmTofu
FirmTofu: (1) Sn0_Man
Sn0_Man: (1) VayneAuthority
No Vote: yamato77, Rainbows, johnnywup, mkfuba07

Currently, yamato77 is set to be lynched.

Next deadline:
Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

+ Show Spoiler +

haha nice ninja Kush, "Asketh and thou shalt receiveth, and this swiftly"

Lol at Yamato not vote and yet snowman- sorry about that

Kush and Koshi get it going. This confirms them as town (so does kush's death) since they don't move off. Scum don't really have a counter-wagon going yet.

+ Show Spoiler [The next relevant VC] +

On August 29 2013 13:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Vote Count

yamato77: (2) kushm4sta, Koshi
Koshi: (1) FirmTofu
FirmTofu: (1) Sn0_Man
Sn0_Man: (4) VayneAuthority, ~~mkfuba07~~, Yamato77, FirmTofu, mkfuba07
johnnywup: (0) ~~mkfuba07~~
No Vote: Rainbows, johnnywup

Currently, Sn0_Man is set to be lynched.

Next deadline:
Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Scum have established their counter-wagon. Essentially, upon seeing confirmed town hop on an option (fuba voting me) they all hopped on board. Note that rainbows and johnny don't get a free ride here since they appeared AFK rather than unsure who to vote for. And obviously its not all scum on me. Note also that IF I AM SCUM then this wagon makes no sense. Scum could easily make another lynch option work. As in, Tofu/Johnny/Me/Yam were ALL lynchable so even if 3 of us are scum we can just all pile on the other and likely secure his lynch at this point. The fact that I am the primary wagon here speaks in my favour I think. The 3 posts immediately after this are Kush (confirmed town), Fuba (confirmed town) and I all realizing that this wagon is pure bullshit. Kush is already on yam, me and fuba both instantly unvote and nail yam. Again, note that when fuba moves off of me the vote is 3-3 me-yam. Scum can still very easily create another wagon if both Yam and I are scum. Instead I vote yam, putting him ahead and he never comes back. At this point, it isn't entirely unbelievable that the entire scumteam is on me (although I'm far from certain of it).

Immediately thereafter;
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2013 13:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
##unvote

vote:yamato77

not worth keeping around if this game ever goes to lylo

Vayne jumps on yam with essentially no justification other than bandwagoning and

On August 29 2013 15:49 johnnywup wrote:
1=sn0
2=FT
3=yamato

http://i.imgur.com/NvRsDWA.png

random.org has spoken

##vote yamato

so does johnny, once again with no real justification. Rolling a 3 on random.org is clearly not a reason whatsoever as there are so many ways to make it say whatever he wants it to say.

(note that while some time has passed from 2nd VoteCount to here it is all on one page of the game, so its not like I'm chopping out important bits).

So we arrive at essentially the end votecount:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2013 17:06 Sylencia wrote:
Vote Count

yamato77: (6) kushm4sta, Koshi, mkfuba07, Sn0_Man, VayneAuthority, johnnywup
Sn0_Man: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu
No Vote: Rainbows

Currently, yamato77 is set to be lynched.

Next deadline:
Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Yamato is clearly hammered and while he doesn't need to move from now on its fairly clear that any vote movement could as easily be scum trying to look good as anything else. The only vote change that occurs is rainbows tossing his vote on yam while saying "taking 0 credit for this". Then yamato dies.

MY conclusions (please draw your own as well):
1) I'm not scum. If I were scum both me and yamato were clearly around and could have driven some sort of wagon on a townie, at least for a while. The utter lack of ANY real momentum on anybody not me or yamato is very very telling.
2) Koshi is simply town. I really don't think I can doubt this any more whatsoever.

Those are pretty much my hard conclusions lol. I'd expected to be able to figure out more when combining the 2 lynches but it didn't pan out too much.

I will say that I think this looks bad for johnny solely because if he was town I think that scum would happily have joined fuba in pushing him very hard and I think they could have secured his lynch. And TBH I probably would have gone along with a johnny lynch over a yamato lynch yesterday so... I feel like that bit is fairly important.

I don't really know what to make of tofu's vote on me staying to the end

. I guess its brownie points for him because I'd probably be tearing him a new one right now if he had switched at the last minute.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 30 2013 16:35 GMT

#2613

I don't think koshi is actually serious he's just trying to see who will also jump to vote on me. Waste of time.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 16:40 GMT

#2614

Maybe I should have edited my conclusion 1) to be more like: "Anybody who thinks I'm scum is wilfully ignoring the evidence to the contrary". Any time scum is lynched and there is a serious counter-wagon, that person *must* be town. Its how the game works.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 30 2013 16:42 GMT

#2615

The only reason I think Koshi might not be town is the fact that 2 millers + GF with a fucking parity cop is retarded as balls.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 16:43 GMT

#2616

I'd appreshiate comments on my voting analysis, especially if anybody seems something in there that I missed. Or simple adulation and admission that I'm confirmed town. Either works.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 30 2013 16:45 GMT

#2617

Rule #26 of mafia: At least 1 scum is always on the town-lynch wagon to ensure it goes through.

Koshi and Johnny are the only two non-confirms on the list that voted WoS. Both also voted Onegu, and Vayne is pretty town. So we're lynching Johnny, right? Nothing redeeming about him, eh.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 16:47 GMT

#2618

On August 31 2013 01:45 Rainbows wrote:
Rule #26 of mafia: At least 1 scum is always on the town-lynch wagon to ensure it goes through.

Koshi and Johnny are the only two non-confirms on the list that voted WoS. Both also voted Onegu, and Vayne is pretty town. So we're lynching Johnny, right? Nothing redeeming about him, eh.

A) Your rule is garbage since it doesn't make sense for mafia to do that
B) You aren't confirmed either

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 30 2013 16:48 GMT

#2619

Not that I have a huge issue with lynching johnny right now.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 30 2013 16:49 GMT

#2620

In all games i've been in, there is one scum hiding on the town-is-obviously-lynched wagon. Like having 1 scum hide in there is easy. And the rest of the scum spread out the votes among other players.