oh right. Well I definitely agree we have to lynch yamato today, don't really want him around for lylo if he's town. If not him then johnny gets my vote, that random crazo tunnel looks stupider everytime I look back at it

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 27 2013 13:57 GMT

#2286

What about FT? your opinion?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 27 2013 14:00 GMT

#2287

hard to say, he's never been at the top of my list so I don't see myself voting for him anytime soon. All I can say is I do not think him and sn0_man are scum together due to the day 1 voting

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 27 2013 14:03 GMT

#2288

well thats a WTF one.
NSAM and SAM in same game. Somebody had fun with this setup.
I rather obviously need to start from square 1 sooooo yeah.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 27 2013 14:07 GMT

#2289

On August 27 2013 23:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
well thats a WTF one.
NSAM and SAM in same game. Somebody had fun with this setup.
I rather obviously need to start from square 1 sooooo yeah.

Why are you suddenly so sure I am SAM?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 27 2013 14:12 GMT

#2290

For now we are in "benefit of the doubt" area until re-reads occur.

Also it was one of the few ways rayn could be town so now that he is town... makes it more likely you are SAM.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 27 2013 14:17 GMT

#2291

Ok. Please reread and give conclusion.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 27 2013 15:53 GMT

#2292

This is so fucked up, neither me or rayn was framed. scum knew this and was probably surprised.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 24 2013 03:13 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to run through a list of possibilities of what could have happened regarding the rayn/koshi situation.

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.

What we need to be doing now is evaluating the probability of each of these respective outcomes and deciding whether a lynch into one of these two players will yield scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 24 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Revised Outcomes

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.

Did I miss anything?

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 24 2013 03:26 FirmTofu wrote:
Revised Outcomes 2.0

What we know:
1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop.
2) Koshi claims self-aware miller.

Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed.
Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM.
Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 7: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is scum.
Scenario 8: Rayn is GF. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed.
Did I miss anything?

Scum trying to figure out why? This is a longshot but I think FT was actually geniunly interested as scum to figure out why rayn and me were coming back same.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 27 2013 15:56 GMT

#2293

Scum prob thought rayn was SK pre fuba claim. Scum really should have killed fuba imo, lmao.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 27 2013 15:58 GMT

#2294

Okay, In order of appearance:
VayneAuthority - special case: him and yamato have kinda done about the same amount, and have been pushing each other as lynchable for the whole game. The key here is that my other scumreads all give vayne a free pass and have yamato as a top scumread.
johnnywup - town points for early interactions with crazo but not enough. Null for now.
Sn0_Man - me. Claiming town is a given.
mkfuba07 - vig claim, this one is pretty cast in stone
FirmTofu - He's been scummy since day 1. Of note, his WILD 180 on onegu after it is certain that onegu will be lynched. Like, he pushes Onegu saying "scummiest post I've seen in this thread" on his stuff, then this: + Show Spoiler +

On August 26 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote:
Sn0_man is mafia. Onegu isn't.

I retract all previous accusations of Onegu. Onegu is playing far too differently than his scum games to be scum. Scum Onegu is aggressive and hot-headed. Most of his cases are OMGUS. This game he voluntarily pursued me. He initiate confrontation and pursued it to such an extent that it made him a viable alternative lynch to Yamato. Scum Onegu never plays like this. Scum Onegu doesn't take these kinds of risks.

Sn0_man is totes scum. I cannot believe how much he has gotten away with since he survived the lynch. Scum clearly shifted the tide of WoS/Sn0 wagons. The fact that the wagons were so close is a testament to this fact. Sn0 has been tunneled on a handful of people the entire game. He hasn't bothered to provide reads on anyone else and has been content watching the game from the sidelines making baseless accusation towards rayn and koshi(probably a bus) the whole game.

The , his only post today was a wasted vote towards rayn who is next to impossible to lynch right now. He hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire game and we are gonna lose because no one is fucking realizing this fact.

Rainbows - Soft-defended Crazo for a while, has consistently tunnelled townies (onegu/fuba especially, also me), was one of DP's prime scumreads at the N0 kill. Also some very relevant posts just before D1 lynch: + Show Spoiler +

On August 23 2013 12:54 Rainbows wrote:
Sn0 is active and scummy since the early game. Scum can engineer the posts that I really liked about how he plays as scum / town. I had a gut read early and I need to learn to stick to it or else I'm never going to lynch mafia D1. We are lynching either Fuba or Sn0_Man. Deal with it.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sn0_Man

STANCES -- GO

followed shortly by:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 23 2013 13:54 Rainbows wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah, let's lynch the people scum are already voting for.

Because that's how you win games.

I'm placing my Fuba vote final. If you guys want to kill WoS/Sn0 have fun. I'm saying they smell like mislynches, Sn0 a bit less than WoS but whatever.

##Vote: MkFuba07

Admittedly, he had an excuse to swap (kush defended me), but if you look at it now it is pretty easy to see rainbows being afraid to be on those mislynches and throwing away his vote so that he looked clean. He even tells us "those are mislynches" so that he looks right.
kushm4sta - based on rayn's read, which made as much sense as anything to me.
Koshi - I reread his entire filter. I still don't like a variety of things but it is hard to see his play as anti-town atm.
yamato77 - null. Special case opposite of vayne. About as useless but I feel like yamato has been hit too hard from too many sides to be scum. I could be wrong here. I still like things he said but I admit his play hasn't screamed town. If vayne flips then my read on yamato should solidify rapidly.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 27 2013 15:59 GMT

#2295

To clarify my above, the posts I spoilered are what I feel were clear instances of scum distancing themselves from the mislynch as soon as it was clear what lynch would happen.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

August 27 2013 16:01 GMT

#2296

On August 27 2013 20:21 Koshi wrote:
Also, the parity cop was an anti-town role. wtf 2 millers and probabl godfather on scum.

wtf is that all about, you foulsome dogs of the feminine gender?

On August 27 2013 20:29 Koshi wrote:
Also a framer on scum. ^ above question should be green bolded and ", you bitches" should be added.

Fixed, in my own way. Although I chose nothing in the setup, I shall say the following: Don't be a donkey. Foolishness approved this setup, and post game, I will explain why I personally don't approve of balance talk until post game.

And you think this is "bad"... Hah, wait until Foolishness allows me to host >: ) (may never happen, perhaps he too wise)

¡Hasta vote count primero!

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 27 2013 16:04 GMT

#2297

PS I could totally see yamato survivor mostly worried about being NK'd if he got too "useful" but fairly certain that he could stave off his own mislynch. Not that it matters.

He partook in a fair bit of survivor claim discussion.