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Sounds a lot like your townread on kush is entirely independant of any "contributions" he may or may not have made. Kinda contrasted to my read on yamato which you got really mad at for some reason.
Either way, I'll buy that explanation for kush for now, since I really don't have a better one.
I am trying to get you lynched. Do you want me to quote 20 pages of filter where you are spamming up the thread and try to use that as an argument? obviously not, because anybody who has been reading the thread even in passing knows how much garbage you are spewing. The difference is, like I said, 2/3 of the thread has unshakeable townreads on you despite EVERYTHING. I've put my reasons out there for lynching you, and people don't seem to pay much attention. Possibly because most of them were promptly buried by 10 or so posts from you espousing my scumminess.
And yes I'm not willing to answer all your stupid questions. You literally never stop asking irrelevant questions. I'd say I've answered far more than is really worth the time, since you aren't arguing from a logical perspective. Which is another scum tell really. Anybody who read your little cop claim can see that it was never going to achieve anything other than adding some mass confusion and allowing you to accuse people of all sorts of hypothetical crimes based on shit that you were literally making up as you went along. You aren't playing this game from the perspective of a town player, so arguing with you like you were is obviously (and has proven to be) a waste of time.
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Very well. I make sure you get lynched tomorrow if you are not willing to explain your shaky reads.
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11589 Posts
Next primetime bout:
Sn0 vs Rayn
11:00 PM on HBO
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ya rayne v wos was pretty good but rayne pwned him
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11589 Posts
On one hand, Sn0 acts like he agrees with me.
On the other, Rayn is almost certainly not scum.
idk man this is a hard one to judge, need to see round 2
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On August 27 2013 11:08 yamato77 wrote:
Next primetime bout:
Sn0 vs Rayn
11:00 PM on HBO
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guys school starts for me tomorrow so i won't be able to post from 8-3 pst but i'll try to make up for it by posting more after school
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Nothing has changed from my N2 start reads, except that Snoman is more likely to be mafia.
I do not expect to be hit but gl in case mafia kills me.
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FirmTofu
On August 21 2013 10:04 FirmTofu wrote:
My overall thoughts:
WoS and geript seem to have some sort of mutual camaraderie based on past games and the friendship they have formed through their hydra. Therefore, you can expect them to play irrationally when speaking of one another. I think we should make note of this.
WoS is a real funnybunny. I don't like any of his opinions on how to handle N0. On this topic, rayn wins the argument handily. Remaining quiet on N0 is definitely mafia-favored play. There is no reason to silence ourselves when discussion is the greatest asset we have. However, I don't think this is as damning as rayn says it is. WoS looks scummy, sure, but his play is equally likely to be bad town as it is to be scum.
Geript's meta indicates that geript may be scum this game. Town geript usually attacks and pushes like a monster. Geript this game has been relatively subdued.
Vayne is not posting much and is not looking particularly scummy. Knowing Vayne, this is quite odd. Town Vayne usually likes to look scummy so that he won't get NK'd until endgame. Vayne in this game looks nothing like town Vayne.
Koshi is looking scummy and stupid. Whenever Koshi looks scummy and stupid, he flips town. See: Titanic and all of his other town games. Whenever he is spot on with his reads and looks like he knows what he is doing, he flips scum. At best, he's a good vigi shot right now. Lynching him is not a good course of action.
Kush is basically Koshi divided by 2. He just posts less, but his playstyle is very similar. Thus, he is also probably not the best lynch right now.
After GoT, I'm not sure how to read rayn anymore. I thought I had him figured out after Titanic and his scum play in I Swear 2, but he played a solid scum game in GoT and threw me off. For the time being, he remains a volatile player that is more likely to hurt town than help it. I would not mind a vig shot on him, but I am finding it hard to read him right now. Saving for later.
That's all I want to talk about for now. If anything else comes up, I'll be sure to let you know.
Probably FT his best analysis post this game, you can actually find smart reads/ meta read in here, something you will not findin FT his filer after this opening post. FT didn't know how much towncred he had to build up in this game and started with an opening post that had to show some effort. I believe now that we were on 2 town wagons on day 1 and that town is/was his destructive self per usual. Scum FT saw this and his future post made sure town would keep selfdestructing.
Example: When you look what he says about Vayne, you will notice that nothing has changed about Vayne his play, but FT never pressured VA after this post about his play. FT is very conservative about geript, a lot of “usually” and “maybes”. Kush, Koshi and rayn are given a townish read but nothing conclusive yet.
Not the scummiest entries to a game, but this is a very thought through opening post that never got followed up upon. Or that thoughtprocess never got repeated/updated.
On August 22 2013 05:05 FirmTofu wrote:
I still think scum is betting that we don't reread dead player filters. I know I did in Titanic. Sno is pretty scummy independently of the NK anyway. I can't say the same for Rainbows.
I would say the WIFOM still favors sn0 being scum over town.
There are two possible scenarios:
1) If the scum team has a veteran leader, then DP may have been killed for his reputation.
2) If the scum team has no veterans, DP has to have been killed for his reads.
I don't think you can say DP was looking extremely pro-town on N0. I really don't see players who are unfamiliar with his reputation killing him unless he was doing something right and they wanted to silence him.
Veterans(People who are familiar with DP's repuatation):
rayn
Oats?
geript?
Vayne?
yamato77?
WaveofShadow?
Is there anyone else?
Therefore, if you believe one or more of these people are scum, then DP may have been killed for his reputation instead of his reads.
Personally, geript and WoS are the scummiest on that list for me. geript due to meta and WoS for a weak defense/general apathy. I still find sn0 independently more scummy than the combined scumminess of geript and WoS.
Based on your initial beliefs, you should be able to run through this logic and find out who exactly you should be voting. If you are hesitant to lynch any of the veterans, sn0 is your best bet.
This is a scummy post. The conclusion FT made here is that the Snowman is scum because the scumteam has no veteran that respects DP his general play, thus the NK must have been because DP was right about the Snowman. Before this post there was nothing in FT his filter that suspected the Snowman. But this line of reasoning was enough the convince FT that the Snowman is scum.
Now I already gave FT some flack for that post. So FT couldn’t vote for the Snowman yet. So FT makes this case.
On August 23 2013 04:18 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did I miss something or was *nobody* roleblocked N0?
That seems important... This is what Sn0 has to says right after afking for nearly 2 irl days. He wants to draw attention to the fact that no one has claimed roleblocked. Why would anyone want to draw attention to something so inconsequential? Possible Explanation: Sn0 is scum and he deliberately didn't roleblock N0 in order to get town to think that there is no roleblocker. Possible Motivation: Sn0 wants to roleblock someone N1 so that that person looks bad Day 2 when they claim that they were roleblocked. Town will ask said claimer how it is possible that he was roleblocked when there was no one roleblocked on N0. Because no one has brought it up throughout Day 1, he wins free town cred by pointing it out and simultaneously leading town into a pointless conversation. Yes, I admit a large part of this is speculation. However, if Sn0 is actually scum, I think this is exactly what they were planning. Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 23 2013 02:35 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner. Yea we already know, you posted that in your last post. less repetitive ad hom attacks would be great. Why as town would you do that then when you know how I'm going to react? how is that pro-town at all? How is it remotely acceptable or town motivated to say "I'm untouchable anybody who attacks me is scum"? Thats easily a scum-favoured atmosphere to create. There was no ad-hominem, I'm commenting on the terribleness of your play. Scum-hunting, in fact. Something you MAY wish to attempt (you haven't started yet I notice). K maybe now there is ad-hom. Isn't that exactly what you are doing? You're attacking Vayne and me because we are attacking you. You haven't been actually scumhunting at all this game. You just attacked a few random people in the beginning of the game to provide the illusion of scumhunting, then you afked to allow the thread to fester. Once a few people caught on to your bullshit, you de-lurk and attack the people who attacked you. ##vote: Sn0_man
This case is even more ridiculous than the previous one. I didn’t make the link before but these 2 posts are the sole reason FT votes for the Snowman. After I read this case I thought “too obvious to be scum” but I am not so certain anymore, maybe he is even playing scum this way. Because town is retarded, so let's add some more retardation. FT got ALOT of flack after this post, but pushed it away by saying "scum is piling up on me". But it looks like it was town that saw through him.
On August 23 2013 08:29 FirmTofu wrote:
I think we are starting to form a strong town circle and scum is getting antsy trying to poke holes in it.
Koshi, what are your thoughts on Oats?
On August 24 2013 03:26 FirmTofu wrote:
Outcomes
Revised Outcomes
Revised Outcomes 2.0
FT starts with saying that there is a “towncircle”, however when I asked him about who was in this towncircle I never got a response. But look at FT his filter, he says that FT, rayn, Koshi is a towncircle (maybe Oats, kush as well?) and then we had the tiresome effort from FT to list all the possibilities where rayn could be scum/framed/town/miller and Koshi is town/scum/SAM/framed or a combination. There is a quote from FT from the 24th of August where he said a vigi should shoot into Koshi/Rayn if I am not mistaken. Out of time atm but it is there iirc.
I realize I was very wrong about Onegu, but I don’t want to lynch the Snowman anymore because I doubt FT and the Snowman are in the same scumteam.
On the other hand, I am growing very distrusting of rayn. My head still says he is town, but I remember rayn harddefending FT when I said I was null on FT. I remember rayn saying he suddenly came to the conclusion that FT, Yamato and geript/the Snowman were scum due to elimination. However, he wants to go after the Snowman on day 3. + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have concluded that yamato, FirmTofu and one of johnnywup/Sn0_man are mafia:
This is mostly due to process of elimination. I don't think there is any chance of mkfuba or Koshi to be scum. I do not think kushmasta is scum. Rainbows is probably town because of the following. In our newbie game Rainbows was inactive at the start of the game. When he finally got in thread, the first thing he did was to check scum QT for what is going on. I do not think he would do this "lol you can't be cop, lynch rayn!" if he was mafia, he would have checked the scum QT first and he would see how stupid his accusation on me is. vayne if you are town i suggest you pick your game up because you are another questionmark, although johnnywup and Snodude look a lot worse than you do, and yamato is accusing you.
FirmTofu did consider Snoman as a lynch over Onegu. There were 2 candidates who could have been possibly lynched over Onegu last day. They were yamato and Rainbows. FirmTofu said nothing about them, and when i brought up Rainbows he went over his filter and voted for him in the end. When Onegu corrected me and said yamato is actually the only one we can get a lynch on, FirmTofu left. He did not even look at who were realisticly possible to lynch, and when we got our shit together with Onegu, he left.
Snodude wasted his vote. totally. This added to his play before makes him very likely mafia. johnnywup's reasons for voting on D2 are horrible. geript was scummy. Very likely mafia. snodude and yamato do not address each other like ever.. yamato soft pushed Sno, who has been looking scummy all game, but does notthing to question him, does nothing to find out his alignment. yamato also has not even tried to lead the town into any direction. He just comments on some things going on into the game, makes some random comments that do not help the town at all, does not try to push any lynches for real, does not defend/attack anyone. He is a definition of blending in.
Pick from those guys on D3. i'd say FirmTofu and yamato are definitely scum. Then one of johnnywup / Snoman. I'd place my bets on Sno over johnny.
But then there is Vayne. The leader of the scums will probable be Rayn or Vayn probably. Head says Vayne. But I don't know. But I think it is Vayne. But I guess that rayn/vayn should be lynched as last?
There is 1 more scummer. I don't know who it is. Yamato? Johnny? The Snowman?
I am leaning town on Rainbows, Lion King, Kush
For endgame creds I would go with FT, Yamato, Vayne atm.
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Day 3
"Today on News Today - Inaba Citizen - Mr. Rayn Pelikoneet was found dead. Rayn was last reported to have been seen near the Junes Department Store by a policeman, but he said that nothing was too out of place, other than Rayn of course. However, since he wasn't doing anything illegal, he was powerless to do anything. This morning though, he was found hanging on an electric pole near Inaba Station by the policeman on his way back to his house."
"Will we ever catch the people behind this?"
"I don't know, I'm just a reporter! Hahaha!"
"Moving on to our next story, the fog in Inaba has become increasingly thick over the last 3 months... Could something be happening to the town? Is the fog poisonous? Here's reporter Umasi with the details..."
raynpelikoneet
+ Show Spoiler +as a Suspicious Citizen (Non-Self Aware Miller)
was killed!
Day 3 has begun. You have 48 hours to send in your night actions.
Next deadline:
Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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If I die, above post is what I currently believe.
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Thank you scum. The snowman is now town in my book.
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Or at least not the first pick lol.
FT is.
##vote: FirmTofu
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Well, it depends on what the Snowman is going to tell this thread now. After rayn died he will probably have nothing to say anymore D:
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Also, the parity cop was an anti-town role. wtf 2 millers and probabl godfather on scum.
wtf is that all about?
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Also a framer on scum. ^ above question should be green bolded and ", you bitches" should be added.
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lol what a terrible kill. I was saving my opinion for after night, but I was going to vote rayn today after that sn0_man argument. thank you to scum for dat one
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the bad part is his filter is so long and he suspects everyone so we have no idea why they killed him.
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