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On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote: While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure) How original. This was just so fun the first five times someone did this that I can totally understand. On August 30 2013 19:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Hello and good morning peoples. In light of the truth and only the truth, I will henceforth play the game as such: 1) lurking 2) trolling 3) spamming 4) blatantly playing anti-town are nowadays TOWNTELLS. Therefor, people doing these things I will consider confirmed town by sitemeta. snb is automatically confirmed town because he always does 1) 2) and 4) (while attacking people for doing the same thing, which is actually town-point 4.5) btw ) Scumtells are now: 1) playing the game 2) being reasonable and/or calm 3) decent activity 4) being "pro-town" 5) trying to find a lynch (lynching is mean) As such, ##Vote Koshi With Regards, Dandel, Master of Meta Mafia podcast thread has an entire discussion about how mafia players will start to take advantage of the troll meta and there is no reason for a town player to play like this. Proceeds to over the top troll. Policy lynch time! ##Dandel Ion | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:35 WaveofShadow wrote: KIIITTTAAAAAA Do something awesome before you inevitably get shot tonight, k? Should we really lynch Dandel? This honestly doesn't seem like Scumdel----too much activity thus far. Oh so you know that I'm town based on the implication that I will be shot? Excellent! Yes, we should really lynch Dandel. What activity are you referring to? Outside the nonsense I see three words of value and that's being generous. | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Sorry, kita was the one who policy voted dandel, my bad. Same question to both kita and WoS still, I guess. I'd consider WoS. On August 30 2013 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait wat? Dandel is the replacement? Yay! I find this reaction completely unbelievable as town. On August 30 2013 15:35 WaveofShadow wrote: How about how the fuck we're ever going to win this game with 12 people posting out of 30. I'm so goddamn sick of lurk. Overstated frustration. A bunch of questions without any real purpose. Signs of buddying in the thread. And the statement about me getting shot. | ||
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On August 30 2013 16:19 Onegu wrote: Slam stop for realz this like like the 6-7th pic or vid you have posted, one every other day is okish but this is just bad spam. This was a very poor way to enter the thread. FOS Onegu | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote: ps: kita just wants me dead because I'm such an incredibly good player and I'm able to read him real good. Which means he's scared of me reading him with my reading abilities Which means he's mafia. OMGUS engaged. States that I wanted him dead as town in GoT in previous post. Infers that my scum meta is to want him dead because of I fear his abilities. Justifying vote based on false conclusion. | ||
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On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote: I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph. Did you come to a conclusion from this BH? What response were you looking for that would indicate town or scum based on your knowledge of cora? | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Do something awesome before you inevitably get shot tonight, k? Wave, did you simply not consider that I might be mafia with this post? | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Ooo! Can I help? ##Vote: Koshi I find Koshi's attempt to use his role to benefit other roles incredibly pro-town. What exactly were you trying to help by making this vote? Did you have a mafia read on him? Do you disagree with my assessment? | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:34 Oatsmaster wrote: dandel hasnt done jack shit. And his scum meta is trolling the shit out of the thread. How is he not the easiest target. You're scum for not doing shit Just to be clear, you want to lynch me for pushing Dandel, which you view to be a valid scum suspect? | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Kita, this tunnel is approaching Rayn territory. You're asking a lot of useless questions you could find out very easily by reading the thread. I thought he might have been scum since he 'agreed' with Clarity thinking I was scum but it turns out what he agreed with was my stance on lurkers. No need to call it a tunnel or call me useless. It's a lot easier just to respond honestly. You made a vote that I disagree with. Your reasoning was weak and now I'm looking to better understand what you are thinking. Do you disagree with my assessment that his role claim was incredibly pro-town? | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Well that's an odd thing to say. What exactly do you want us to consider? Like, what changes in the way we're playing based on this possibility? The trap of giving too much town cred to a scum player who kills or lynches another scum faction. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey kita, I do appreciate that you tried to change topics, but can you please answer my question since I so nicely answered yours? Do you still think Dandel is scum for the reasons you originally stated? Yep. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:07 WaveofShadow wrote: And you think he has since his very first post not read his role PM? I'm honestly really surprised that so many people still think Dandel is trolling. You're welcome to perform an analysis explaining why he is not trolling. On August 30 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Once again, lurkers getting away with lurking, while one of the most active posters in the thread who is doing work has people voting for him. Who are you referring to here? On an unrelated note, BH has a history of trying to pick fights on day one as mafia to try to spam up the thread. I'm currently suspicious of his intentions. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams. If the OP makes it so clear, what is the harm in pointing it out? Mafia faction(s) are likely aware of the possibility so I'm just pointing it out so town is as well. It impacts the way you should be playing the game. Haunted and Insane 2 resulted in town loses for not adequately adapting to a multi-faction game. There are certain tricks you can use in a multi-faction game, such as chainsaw defending a scumbuddy against a mafia player of the opposing faction. Town circles should be tighter than usual and we can try to play off the faction rivalry to possibly gain additional information when a mafia player is about to be lynched. On the topic of the setup, something that I think was strongly underutilized in the first game was the item mechanic. Since items are passed on death, we can use them as an investigative tool to determine who is possibly carrying out a kill. This relies on some type of ability to identify who is holding an item, but there are probably other ways of taking advantage of this as well. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:02 strongandbig wrote: Kita plz. If you're town, DI is a terrible target for a troll policy lynch. Better targets are alakaslam, cep hiro at this point, vayne. But policy lynching dandel is useless since he gives up as scum anyway. Frankly I'm pretty amazed at the number of people spazzing out at me for a policy lynch 12 hours into the game against a reasonable target. Based on the number of people willing to come to Dandel's defense calling his contributions valid as if he wasn't a complete anti-town troll, it usually points to scum players trying to defend a town player for town cred. Wave calling Dandel one of the most active players in the thread is mind boggling. Even Dandel would probably admit to the fact that he has been completely useless. I'm still not satisfied with Dandel's play so far though, so my vote will remain for now. I would actually be quite content with most of the names you have listed. Ceph is quite capable so I might be more willing to keep him around past day one, even though he is a better scum player than town player. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:35 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm just surprised no one has expressed interest aside from me. The previous aperature was not an all blue game so I'd be careful talking too much about it if it exposes our power roles. If someone finds it useful enough to claim than they can. One downside of giving it to an anti-town player as a roleblock is that they now control the item to either buff one of their own roles, keep it out of town hands, or roleblock another player. I'm assuming this does not work on factional kp. Is that correct koshi? | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: kitaman, are you seriously assuming Black Mesa is not another scum team? No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, then why did you speculate them being another scum team in your post and did not state that as a fact? To me just by reading the OP it is clear that they are another scumteam. A fact is something that I know to be true. Speculation is something I believe to be true. The OP does not state that Black Mesa consists of more than 1-2 members. I believe it does however based on the unwillingness to rebalance and the previous game. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it is 100% clear based purely to OP that there is another anti-town faction that is Black Mesa. The way you brought the matter up is fishy and implies you are afraid of saying what you really think for some reason. I think that reason is because you are a member of mafia or Black Mesa and don't want to get killed by the other one, or lynched by town, because of "too much info". Huh? We're coming to the same conclusion yet for some reason it makes me mafia? My argument about the balance was that I think Mesa is larger than smaller due to the rebalance concerns. I referenced the OP as support so it's not like I'm trying to hide knowledge or anything. Anyways, I'm going to drop it since it really was just setup speculation rather than anything super important. Push it if you wish. | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Null. I had to explain the obviously scummy post for him which was bad, so minus points for him. I was mostly interested in seeing if you would address the newbie consideration in your explanation. I agree with the direction, but not necessarily the end result. | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote: geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here geript: "keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!" well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence: If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing? + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote: You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro check out dis shit Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing. You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead. + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote: His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look: OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense. Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him. ##vote Cephiro I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town. Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction. You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him? | ||
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On August 31 2013 03:53 Onegu wrote: Sorry I am just catching up and I am a member of black mesa and am town, I was the only person dumb enough to use my own name in the qt though. Excellent news! As clarity mentioned, win condition? | ||
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On August 31 2013 04:19 Onegu wrote: Yeah so far everyone else has a name that isnt in the main thread but me. So you're saying Black Mesa does not have an objective? It is simply a combination of town/mafia/third party players? | ||
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Does everyone agree revealing the posts in the qt and the timestamps? If you are a town member of Black Mesa I believe you should claim now, unless someone has a valid reason for them not to claim. After that, if you are found as a member of Black Mesa without claiming, you should be assumed anti-town. | ||
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On August 31 2013 04:37 strongandbig wrote: Also, I just saw this post in your filter. I don't like it. Being amorphous between policy lynch and calling do scum. Did you want to kill him for policy reasons or did you think he was scum? It feels like it didnt really Maggie to you. If my policy lynch does something that I deem scummy why does that make it invalid? 1 + 1 = 2, unless acting scummy invalidates policy lynches or policy lynches make it impossible to be scum. You policy lynch to punish anti-town behavior. I'm thinking about moving to WoS at the moment. As for the post on BH, I was simply stating an observation. I don't consider him a lynch target since that post. Considering vayne decided to claim "if I die, bad things happen to scum", third party makes sense. I'd even be more willing to help his cause if he came clean. Now that we know that Black Mesa possibly isn't a mafia faction, we may be able to take a look at the earlier discussion to look for additional knowledge. I'll do so when I get home if I remember. | ||
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I'll also probably look at OO as well. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Is that a Black Mesa crumb or some shit? Never played HL but I feel like that's somehow relevant. This is Aperture Science! I'm certainly not going to skip testing! No, no crumb there | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:48 Felkyr wrote: You are quite inactive till I say something, and suddenly you're back =) I've lost the post already, but someone said he had an idea with the false BM names. What is your idea? It might explain why some people don't want to post the names. I don't see a problem with learning how many BM there is and what they're called. If you're town, I think it's pretty likely you're going to be mislynched. The topics you are choosing to comment on are very easy to justify voting you for. I'd strong recommend sharing opinions on several individuals you haven't commented on yet. If you are mafia, carry on. | ||
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Congrats on 10k VE! | ||
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On September 01 2013 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuba just give the item to me. Most importantly I'm town, but what might appeal to you is that I won't do anything stupid with it. It will basically just be in the hands of town. That's if you HAVE to give it to anyone, because to me the act of just holding onto it achieves the same result and would appease me quite thoroughly. I'm catching up right now, but I can't seem to find what you are referring to here? | ||
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Cephiro is mostly interested about third party players and item mechanics. I'd want to lynch him if it weren't for the fact that he randomly decided to claim blue. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be worried about taking a hit, but if he has a way to prove that his power can benefit town then I'm willing to wait until day two. I'm pretty sure this is like the 5th game in a row I've played with Zentor where he hasn't actually posted. Something to note is that he could be a vote rigger or something and make it appear as if geript is lynchproof. I'm not really sure why he would claim in that case though. There are certainly some things I don't like about Wave's filter, but not enough to be confident that he is scum yet. His contribution picked up after I mentioned that I'd be looking into him, but that doesn't necessarily rule out a town reaction as well. The biggest thing against him is the fact that he appears "frustrated" by the lurkers and the suspicion on Dandel, calling Dandel the most active player in the game. At the point of his post, Dandel honestly has a couple words of value. randombum's filter is pretty terrible. His name has hardly been brought up so he is definitely playing under the radar at the moment. He goes after geript on a gut read and has posted little since. He said he will be available to contribute to the majority if need be, but he provides little direction to who he actually wants lynched or who he is suspicious of. cakepie seems to need to be prompted for his contributions, which is a concern. His vote is currently for a policy lynch, but it would be unfair for me out of all people to criticize that. He explains that he is filter diving, but there is little evidence that anything came out of that. I don't really understand the point of a pressure vote on felkyr if he is going to point out that it is a pressure vote. It isn't clear that there is anyone in this game that cakepie actually thinks is mafia. ObviousOne is one of those people that I'm suspicious of based on his town read on Dandel so early into the game. He seems to be around, but not very interested in the game. He decides to sheep Dandel with the geript vote without actually mentioning him at any point in his filter. clarity and stutters seem to have the biggest black mesa connections based on my exchange with rayn for questioning why Black Mesa members should be considered a mafia faction. Stutters already claimed BM, so that leaves clarity as the other possibility. I haven't read his filter today however. I'm not incredibly familiar with Risen's play, but the difference between GoT where he was town and this game is pretty apparent. In GoT he was making a significant number of cases, even if most of them were off in left field. You could tell he was town simply by the way he was sharing his opinions. His defense and suspicion against Cheesecake is essentially that he hasn't done anything this game, so that means nothing he has done can be portrayed as anti-town. His response to Onegu doesn't seem like a town reaction in my opinion. I think he would be a good lynch. geript has been playing blatantly anti-town. If memory serves me correct, he was more verbose as mafia in The Game, but there is next to nothing in his filter that is redeeming. That fact that he likely has identified the fact that he is going to be lynched, but has done nothing to stop it probably points to mafia. If he were a town lynchproof player, he would have realized that a day one no lynch would be a disaster and likely only mess up day two as well. Risen, randombum, ObviousOne, cakepie, and geript are the players that I'd prefer to lynch into today. I still haven't read VE's filters, which is always something to dread. I'll probably decide on my preferred target within the next hour if possible for the sake of consolidation. I'd like to hear opinions on any of the individuals I've mentioned, outside of geript. | ||
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On September 01 2013 04:43 Alakaslam wrote: See Kita what is this, if you have issues with cakepie how not me My official Alakaslam policy this game: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/54613/just_don_t_look/ | ||
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Majority lynch in a game this size is rather lame. That being said, if geript truly is a vote rigger, than this would be my preferred lynch anyways. Either he has to waste it day one as scum or he has a chance to clear his name and the lynch is completely in town hands. I'd suggest Risen as the target. | ||
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On September 01 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote: I don't suppose we could use the talisman to change the vote rig from once per game to zero times per game? Or perhaps the one time lynch proof to zero time lynch proof? Not quite sure how items are passed. | ||
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I know back in Personality 2 there was quite a discussion about the chezinu role and I believe he was third party in any variant that GreYMisT suggested. Unfortunately, I don't remember any variation of the role other than the one we chose. I'm not sure how much sense it makes to try to figure out the identities in the qt based on their names. The point of choosing an anonymous name is to make it so it doesn't trace back to you. Edward Nigma was my role back in the Batman game and I believe I posted under the quicktopic as that name, though VE was the only one would played in that as well, so it's probably more likely a coincidence than a frame. However if we were to speculate....Kobe Bryant -> Brown -> Hiro. GG. | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote: I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two? My read on OO was probably the weakest of the individuals I mentioned. He is still at scummy null. I still think cakepie has a decent chance of flipping mafia. He hasn't posted anything of interest since last post so my opinion is unchanged. Does anyone else have an opinion on cakepie, risen, and randombum? I feel as if there has been so much focus on the majority lynch that anyone else is getting ignored. | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote: If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? Since you're around, do you have any opinion on the three players I mentioned? | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Please can someone explain this while making sense. All these townreads on dandel I just don't get it. From my understanding, Dandel is the most incompetent scum to ever play the game. He always plays the same exact way, which essentially consists of claiming mafia and refusing to post. He is also incapable of changing his play from game to game. Therefore, he must be town. I'd still be perfectly happy to see him killed. As for my read on Zentor, I don't follow his logic, but I don't find it malicious at this point. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:55 MrZentor wrote: Usually, the amount I post first day is directly proportional to the probability of me getting lynched. | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Kita is there a reason that you don't have thoughts on zentor? I've asked for it twice now. I mean, it's nice that you noticed he didn't post much d1 but that's not a read. I think you might have missed my comment. | ||
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On September 02 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Hassy can you please explain what it was you did to VE? ^ On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote: Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Does this mean that you're assuming that VE is not town? Also, the debears plan should not be used in my opinion. | ||
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Putting together a case one 1-2 people at the moment, not sure if I will post it when I'm done or sit on it for a bit. | ||
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On September 03 2013 02:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Omfg I just wrote a giant ass motherfucking post that I deleted due to copy paste issues...... Summary: Cakepie mafia Oats Mafia Alakaslam mafia ?Risen mafia? Can you use the back/forward button on your browser? | ||
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I am a type Mortician role. I can reveal the role and alignment of dead players and it will also reveal the all actions that VE took and all actions that VE was targeted with. All this information will be revealed publicly. Privately, I will receive the names of all the players that VE targeted/was targeted by, so I can use it as an investigative role to possibly figure out who was responsible for his death. It will also give us insight into whether or not Hassy is being truthful about 2 kp/an unblockable kp was aimed at VE last night since the role also reveals factional kp. If you targeted VE last night, please claim beforehand. If you fail to do so then we will assume that you are guilty when attempting to match actions with names. I'll activate this in a couple of hours. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/10/in-memoriam.jpg) I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes. VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes? As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks. All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot. | ||
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I also think I might have to take back my policy of ignoring Alakaslam. Koshi clearly announced in the thread that he had a plan to give the talisman to a player who could use the role in a beneficial way and then decided to use his item switch role anyways because "he had to at some point". OO, are you saying that you think debears plan is a good one? | ||
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Things don't look too good for you. | ||
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As for linking scummy players to him, there really isn't anyone he is suspicious of. He does vote geript with no comment. | ||
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On September 03 2013 09:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well that actually sucks for him =\ Why does Hassy not look good? Who acted on VE? Hassy claimed to have tried to protect VE. My role reveals all actions on VE. Hassy's protection was not there. All the proof you need. | ||
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On September 03 2013 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Towncred seems like the most obvious answer. Also hai guise I back. Who were the last few people to call kita scum? I'm kind of curious now. S&B was 0/3 with his suspicions of BH, VE, and myself and his response to dandel about how he will "do the opposite of all those anti-town things you just mentioned" was a bit unnecessary to say. You deciding that I was town based on my BM discussion was just as concerning however. austin is quite possibly mafia based on his suspicion, but unwillingness to follow through, which is essentially what he was attacking me on. I really wish the thread didn't die for the last five hours. There are so many people like Risen that are being completely ignored. | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote: So is town just incredibly amazing at killing themselves this game or do we have two scum here caught in their night actions? I don't understand this. Either: A) Hassy lied and is guilty B) I'm lying about Hassy and I'm guilty How does either lead to town killing themselves? | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:15 VayneAuthority wrote: C) this game makes no fucking sense for all we know some role could have done something to make his protection not go through but he still thinks it did. In this case, neither of you are lying. You aren't thinking over everything So do you think we should lynch Hassy based on the information available and his filter? | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote: nah dude, I don't see scum trying to save a third party/town this early. I wouldn't want to lynch hassy. Huh? | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:27 VayneAuthority wrote: you're implying that a scum hassy tried to save a third party/town VE. why is this like pulling teeth... I'm implying that a scum hassy is lying about trying to save a non-scum VE. What makes you think that I think that hassy tried to save VE? | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Although the question remains, why did kita's role not tell us who shot VE? Only reveals actions, not names. In the event that Hassy was truthful about protecting VE, I was hoping someone would claim visiting VE (the exact same watcher ploy used in GoT -_-) | ||
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On September 03 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you know something I don't? It seems pretty open and shut. This is just... grasping at straws. Kita can you clarify, does your role see actions that are attempted or actions that are actually done? All that are done. Something like a role redirector that happened to target Hassy to another player is a possibility (even though it's an unlikely one). | ||
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On September 03 2013 21:07 Hassybaby wrote: Even if I'm not lynched, scum will definitely target the shit out of me Why would you be worried about mafia targeting you now? You're the one that's claiming medic in the thread with no fear of being shot. What town motivation is there to claim "hey guys, I totally protected VE, but it didn't work. Just letting you all know!" For those that are convinced by Hassy's explanation, it's not like he is going to admit to not sending in a protect. What were you expecting him to say? Do you have any mafia reads other than WoS, Hassy? What do you think about oats, rayn and Risen? | ||
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On September 03 2013 23:27 strongandbig wrote: Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role. Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting". On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"? For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation. The role PM is pretty ambiguous, but any role such as a tracker/watcher/PGO that I've ever seen is always triggered by targeting, with the exception of a roleblock. Hassy stated that he had to target VE via PM to a host, so it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't show up as "VE was targeted with the Dice of Fate" or whatever it may be. I'll try to clarify with GreYMisT if he is able to comment. | ||
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If you come to a conclusion based on knowledge that is available to you, you shouldn't be forced to keep it secret -_- | ||
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Does anyone think it makes sense for Hassy to claim medic on a failed protect as town, even if my role doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do? | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role. Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear. | ||
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Dandel was the most outspoken player against geript and a lot of people already thought he was town. Although he did post the follow scum list that may of hit a bit too close to home. On September 01 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote: geript kita oats hiro clarity yamato as a night hit wasn't an obvious choice, but it may have been a good dodge the medic pick. He was suspicious of several people, though not too focused on a single target: WoS, kita/Ceph/geript/Risen, Felkyr, ryan | ||
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On September 04 2013 04:41 Risen wrote: Also this needs to be answered. I got caught up in reading other filters and this almost slipped my mind. If this mysterious third party player has proof hiro is mafia, then he should simply claim in the thread and he can ride the town cred to victory. I'd even consider letting Hassy live to protect them (though no guarantees he will actually send in any night actions). Otherwise, we should ignore it because it's an anonymous anti-town player. | ||
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On September 04 2013 05:03 strongandbig wrote: do you believe hassy that he didn't send in any actions? Is it possible? Yes. Is it the most likely scenario? No. Hassy just happened to forget to send in the night action that I caught him lying about? If that's the case then it's really unfortunate game swinging mistake. Hassy essentially had two choices: either call me a liar or state that he didn't send in the action. Calling me a liar wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. Stating that he didn't send the action in is a response a town or mafia Hassy would make so it shouldn't impact our views on him. There are currently four things going against Hassy: 1) He got caught lying about an action 2) He changed his story about how the dice rolling worked after the reveal 3) He claimed medic in the thread with no fear of being shot for an absolutely terrible reason. Why would the medic's identity be less important than the knowledge that there may have been an extra kp? 4) He has displayed no evidence of scum hunting in the thread There are 2 things going in favor of Hassy: 1) He has a believable claim about not trusting P-Body and his role interaction 2) Claiming medic doesn't exactly make the most sense as mafia either apart from town cred I generally have a difficult time distinguishing between mafia play and town misplay, but we have forgetting a night action, lying about the dice, role claiming without good reason, and apathy. There is just too much to forgive in my opinion to make me think he wasn't mafia. On September 04 2013 05:03 strongandbig wrote: are you sure we shouldn't be lynching you instead of hassy? Yep. What do you think? | ||
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On September 04 2013 07:01 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I am in really bad reception, but I could possibly be useful I hope. See, I am not wholly powerless, due to items- I can become a vet, and I say now that I will seriously try for the rest of the game and ask you guys before I do bullshit. Yeah, I suck at scum hunting but I can differentiate null and town. I can try to do elimination scum reads and whatnot, but for now that is what I can do. So can I give you some townreads and nulls? Clarity and cheesecake, cakepie and Koshi, Oatsmaster maybe, pretty sure Raynepelikoneet is. ShiaoPi has not said much, could be blending in, but green check, so null because could be Gf or reverse framed or whatnot. Risen looks ok, I'd say null. Hiropro is totally null. Geript null to scummy, he has my vote a I'm legitimately buttz about him killing Blazinghand. Coagulation replaced in and should be given time to speak before I give him anything better than null, lookin' forwar to his comments on my buttz level xD If I don't remember you here, you are not standing out in any way and are therefore worthy of my light FoS. I think Yamato is in this game, isn't he? He is always easy to read for other people when scum so I will let you all see to that  Oh yeah Kita too. I think Kita is so so. And Marvellosity I totes scum this game. + Show Spoiler + Made you think I got confused again didn't I? Hehe ;D ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/captcha.gif) | ||
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On September 04 2013 07:11 Alakaslam wrote: Lol That's the best I got though, if I am to remain genuine. Try starting with the day post. Yamato was shot last night. | ||
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On September 04 2013 07:23 geript wrote: Yah my vote should be negative so shove it. So you're saying you are trying to save Hassy to ensure that you are lynched? | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote: As far as I know - I didn't get a new role-PM or anything. What was the hidden part of your role PM? On September 04 2013 09:16 Cephiro wrote: FUCK YES. I can still correct my reads when it counts. Unfortunately it was too late to save anyone, but this makes me proud and more confident in my play. If there is anyone that doesn't think that Vayne & Oats need to die, speak up now. Uhh do you know what Hassy flipped or something? | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Elaborate please. I think this is a prime opportunity for town - I'm a confirmed non-scum, and I soaked up a fucking bullet for this town. You're essentially one vote closer to LYLO for town unless things start to turn around. However... COME ONE, COME ALL TO WITNESS THE AMAZING MIRACLE WORKER! For a reasonable fee, Kita will offer his funeral services to reanimate the dead! | ||
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I'll try to get a post out before the night post. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:02 ShiaoPi wrote: I agree with dont lynch WoS. I like talking to him in the QT :O Details? You've hardly posted anything in the thread. | ||
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Thanks for hosting! | ||
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By the way, how did the mafia kp formula work? | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:42 Crossfire99 wrote: Day 3 Lynch ObviousOne (7): debears, AxleGreaser, Risen,ShiaoPi, austinmcc, Stutters695, cakepie debears (6): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, Felkyr, Clarity_nl lol it's too bad that the day 3 vote count didn't receive more attention. Even the no lynch in the other thread was pretty important. | ||
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Looking too townie to be alive is rarely a huge concern since nobody is going to lynch you on that reason alone. If it leads to a legitimate case being made, however, it can become an issue. | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:24 mkfuba07 wrote: I feel like I need to see this glorious beard now :O VE is the envy of all his homeless friends | ||
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