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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 01 2013 17:20 GMT
#1781
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.

What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes?

Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway?

And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#1782
Also notice how he's 100% certain that geript will flip scum if shot like WHAT THE FUCK. If geript flips scum zentor is next.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 17:26 GMT
#1783
Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky

Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 1 Lynch

geript (6): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Cephiro, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, Dandel Ion, randombum, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (0): Dandel Ion (cDgCorazon)
Koshi (0): WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, raynpelikoneet
WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet
Felkyr (4): Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
cephiro (0): Blazinghand
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig
MrZentor (1): AxleGreaser
Alakaslam (1): cakepie

The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.



All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 01 2013 17:30 GMT
#1784
On September 02 2013 02:26 MrZentor wrote:
Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky

Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 1 Lynch

geript (6): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Cephiro, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, Dandel Ion, randombum, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (0): Dandel Ion (cDgCorazon)
Koshi (0): WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, raynpelikoneet
WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet
Felkyr (4): Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
cephiro (0): Blazinghand
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig
MrZentor (1): AxleGreaser
Alakaslam (1): cakepie

The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.



All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not.


No, okay, after that backtrack I believe you scumslipped:
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.


This isn't you talking about a scenario where geript flips red, this is you KNOWING geript will flip red.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 01 2013 17:31 GMT
#1785
On September 02 2013 02:26 MrZentor wrote:
Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky

Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 1 Lynch

geript (6): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Cephiro, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, Dandel Ion, randombum, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (0): Dandel Ion (cDgCorazon)
Koshi (0): WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, raynpelikoneet
WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet
Felkyr (4): Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
cephiro (0): Blazinghand
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig
MrZentor (1): AxleGreaser
Alakaslam (1): cakepie

The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.



All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not.

So you are saying we purposely let geript play like shit and then tried to lynch Felkyr as an opposing wagon?
I wasn't even here, did you even look at how my vote ended up on Felkyr and then on geript?
Also Clarity, vayne and Koshi are not scum for sure.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 17:33 GMT
#1786
On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.

What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes?

Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway?

And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will?


Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum .

So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful?

I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 01 2013 17:39 GMT
#1787
My item, wherefore art thou ; _ ;

Target of the Night: Oatsmaster

  • He speaks for others.
    + Show Spoiler +
    On August 30 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
    uh no clarity, kita voted for Dandel cause he thought dandel was trying that trolling scum shit. How is dandel not the easiest target in the thread?

    On August 30 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
    dandel is obviously kidding in his first few posts...

  • He defends people for the weirdest reasons.
    + Show Spoiler +
    On August 30 2013 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
    Dandel is posting useful shit.
    Show nested quote +
    On August 30 2013 22:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:27 kitaman27 wrote:
    PSA: Asking people if they are scum is not very productive. Only in extremely rare cases will they reply "yes". Stating "I think you are scum" or "that action of yours is scummy" is a better response.

    On August 30 2013 21:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
    Do something awesome before you inevitably get shot tonight, k?


    Wave, did you simply not consider that I might be mafia with this post?

    Clerly kita, that was the most serious post I have made all game, and you should continue to look into it and be totally useful.
    Do you honestly wonder why I like Dandel better than you right now?

    Dandel, what do you mean by your 'approach?' By saying "I knew Geript was scum in a game I wasn't in,' you have no proof he would have been caught by you so it does little to show me that a scum Geript isn't difficult to catch.

    What does proof have to do with anything and why would I need it?

    I'm saying I "caught" him without even properly reading the thread, it's to emphasise how EZ it was.
    I don't really give a shit if you believe me, you can keep believing he's best scum player world, I'm just curious why you want to talk me into thinking the same thing, when I empirically "know" this not to be the case.


    Show nested quote +
    On August 30 2013 22:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On August 30 2013 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
    Uhm
    I can understand wanting to lynch geript based on absolutely nothing

    in fact, that was my second plan for re-entering the thread, but I went with this one.

    So
    I guess that means it's null to me

    Actually come to think of it, I can too. Geript has been notoriously hard to catch as scum.
    Fucking town-level insight right hurrrr

    no, he's just annoying

    not particularily hard to catch.

    You say that, but aside from PTP where he outed himself, has scum Geript ever been caught?

    I could tell he was scum in The Game real easy, and I was just skimming like half the thread (i wasn't in that game)
    he didn't get generally caught IIRC and survived? not sure, too long ago and again i didnt follow too closely.

    and then one game BH modconfirmed him so that doesn't count.

    Really Dandel, that's what you're going with? 'I totes knew he was scum in The Game even though I wasn't even in it?'
    Also I could swear he's won another scumgame too because I remember being more impressed by his scum record.

    What's wrong with my approach?

    Show nested quote +
    On August 30 2013 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
    Uhm
    I can understand wanting to lynch geript based on absolutely nothing

    in fact, that was my second plan for re-entering the thread, but I went with this one.

    So
    I guess that means it's null to me


    Its not like totally mindblowing, but its not all fluff.

    Kita did post another post explaining why he thought Dandel was scum.

    On August 30 2013 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On August 30 2013 14:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
    OH SHIT I DO MAGIC

    DEAL WITH IT PEASANTS

    town.

    On August 31 2013 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
    Dandel was the easiest fucking target in the thread for not doing anything very obviously and that his meta matches with his play at that time. COME ON...

    into...
    On August 31 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
    I have an extremely strong town read on Dandel.

  • Is incredibly trigger-happy:
    On September 01 2013 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
    I dont have a gun. Can someone give me a gun?

    + Show Spoiler +

    On August 30 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
    VA playing game properly. Its scummy
    CAn totally lynch WoS too.
    And Kita for going after the easiest target in the thread

    On August 31 2013 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
    lol BH bad case, lets lynch BH!!!!!

    On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
    Also Felkyr is totally scum man.

    On September 01 2013 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
    Lynch Yamato cause hes been fucking useless and not made anyone angry.

    ##vote yamato

    On September 01 2013 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
    I would lynch VE.

    On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
    geript town guys.
    Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target.
    lol BH again victim of the lynch

    into...
    On September 01 2013 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
    So at least geript dies TONIGHT GUYS. SOMEONE SHOOT HIM.



Long story short, he speaks a lot, but he doesn't commit to anything. There has only been light pressure from him, and usually he's already targeting someone else before his targets even care to respond, and drops them completely. He's trying to look like he contributes, but he isn't doing anything useful.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 01 2013 17:39 GMT
#1788
MrZentor explain to us how i did "my best" to save geript?
table for two on a tv tray
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2013 17:44 GMT
#1789
On September 01 2013 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
cakepie seems to need to be prompted for his contributions, which is a concern. His vote is currently for a policy lynch, but it would be unfair for me out of all people to criticize that. He explains that he is filter diving, but there is little evidence that anything came out of that. I don't really understand the point of a pressure vote on felkyr if he is going to point out that it is a pressure vote. It isn't clear that there is anyone in this game that cakepie actually thinks is mafia.

ObviousOne is one of those people that I'm suspicious of based on his town read on Dandel so early into the game. He seems to be around, but not very interested in the game. He decides to sheep Dandel with the geript vote without actually mentioning him at any point in his filter.


I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two?
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 17:47 GMT
#1790
On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything.


I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town)

On September 02 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MrZentor explain to us how i did "my best" to save geript?


Raynpelikeoneet, explain to us how I said that you did your best to save geript.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 01 2013 17:50 GMT
#1791
On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything.


I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town)

Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MrZentor explain to us how i did "my best" to save geript?


Raynpelikeoneet, explain to us how I said that you did your best to save geript.


Erm. No it wouldn't. Unless you're saying all 7 of those names are town if geript flips town....

Saying you're extremely suspicious of 7 people is completely useless, it puts no pressure on anyone and it looks like you're just throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks. Please narrow that list down for me, 2/3 names would be cool.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 01 2013 17:51 GMT
#1792
On September 02 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
cakepie seems to need to be prompted for his contributions, which is a concern. His vote is currently for a policy lynch, but it would be unfair for me out of all people to criticize that. He explains that he is filter diving, but there is little evidence that anything came out of that. I don't really understand the point of a pressure vote on felkyr if he is going to point out that it is a pressure vote. It isn't clear that there is anyone in this game that cakepie actually thinks is mafia.

ObviousOne is one of those people that I'm suspicious of based on his town read on Dandel so early into the game. He seems to be around, but not very interested in the game. He decides to sheep Dandel with the geript vote without actually mentioning him at any point in his filter.


I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two?


My read on OO was probably the weakest of the individuals I mentioned. He is still at scummy null.

I still think cakepie has a decent chance of flipping mafia. He hasn't posted anything of interest since last post so my opinion is unchanged.

Does anyone else have an opinion on cakepie, risen, and randombum? I feel as if there has been so much focus on the majority lynch that anyone else is getting ignored.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 01 2013 17:51 GMT
#1793
On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.

What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes?

Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway?

And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will?


Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum .

So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful?

I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list.

I dunno, from the bolded part i drew the conclusion that the list you gave were people who were doing their best as you find them suspicious.

If that's not what you mean, what do you mean with the bolded statement?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 01 2013 17:51 GMT
#1794
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet??????
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 01 2013 17:53 GMT
#1795
That's fucking retarded... Seriously MrZ? wtf?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 01 2013 17:54 GMT
#1796
On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet??????


Since you're around, do you have any opinion on the three players I mentioned?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 01 2013 17:54 GMT
#1797
cephiro's case is horrible. Fuck. Its so bad.
basically all of the points is the way I play. NOTHING About how its scummy besides the last paragraph and even thats sketchy.


I was one of the initial pushers on Felkyr and got people off geript for a while until he came back to the thread.
CONTRIBUTION GUYS.

Mr Z looks like scum for using a faulty heuristic to narrow the people he has to look at town when probably none of them are scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 01 2013 17:54 GMT
#1798
EBWOP.
Mr Z has less people to look at to find scum and he can use the main reason of trying to push the lynch to another person other than geript to push these dudes.
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 01 2013 17:57 GMT
#1799
the hornets are out lol! painting a few of the more townier people in the thread as scum isn't a good idea as any alignment. I would say this guy was 100% scum if he did this during day phase but he's doing it during night phase which really serves no purpose.

reserving judgement on this guy, he needs to post more to get a read on him
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 01 2013 17:59 GMT
#1800
@kita

I could certainly see there being a connection between randombum and risen. It becomes obvious if you read randombum's very short filter.
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