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On September 05 2013 15:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Don't be retarded. There was another game with a 3p sleeper I got added to(can't remember which one, phone posting and almost bed time so you'd have to check, but it works almost or identically to that(can't remember if it changed my win con, this one doesn't).
He recruited me, he knows who I am, I don't know him (assuming Austin now tbh). He can send a message at the start of the night and we vote on who to shoot.If we agree, we fire 1kp at them. If he's a compulsive recruiter tomorrow night we vote with 3 and all have to agree, etc.
Ala was my vig of choice and I missed the part of him being immune since I haven't been super active.
I am advanced... sorry if that looks different from where you are standing. (really?)
(do note I didnt vote for you...)
@EVERYONE
So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today...
You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.)
It would be nice if they also looked scummy, but for me at this point pretty much anyone not posting enough looks scummy.
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@Coag
This is the entire contents of your filter...
On September 04 2013 03:27 Coagulation wrote:
theres a ton of shit getting thrown around in the last couple pages and im gonna be honest Im not really 100% caught up yet but I think alakaslam needs policy lynched. geript is fine as well. Isnt he a vote manipulater or something? thats pretty commonly mafia aligned.
+ Show Spoiler [quips] +On September 05 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
what the fuck On September 05 2013 02:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh lol Coag replaced him right?
Yeah Ill kill him too.
your not my favorite master anymore. On September 03 2013 04:08 Coagulation wrote:
Shit 110 pages
Someone fill me in real quick
I hate mafia
On September 05 2013 02:39 Coagulation wrote:
is there a caught up but still useless anyway option?
Apparently now there is that option.
Is there any chance that if you are town you could try to do enough not to get vig shot?
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On September 05 2013 11:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only that I'm immune from lynch today.
Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug* I'm surprised you are giving up on actually asking me why I read austin the way I do.
Would you care to comment more now?
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On September 05 2013 18:24 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 16:58 AxleGreaser wrote:
So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today...
You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.) Alakaslam won't be able to vet again because [QUiOTE] On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. [\QUOTE]
Ta I forgot.
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On September 05 2013 17:38 AxleGreaser wrote:@Coag This is the entire contents of your filter... Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 03:27 Coagulation wrote:
theres a ton of shit getting thrown around in the last couple pages and im gonna be honest Im not really 100% caught up yet but I think alakaslam needs policy lynched. geript is fine as well. Isnt he a vote manipulater or something? thats pretty commonly mafia aligned. + Show Spoiler [quips] +On September 05 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
what the fuck On September 05 2013 02:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh lol Coag replaced him right?
Yeah Ill kill him too.
your not my favorite master anymore. On September 03 2013 04:08 Coagulation wrote:
Shit 110 pages
Someone fill me in real quick
I hate mafia Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 02:39 Coagulation wrote:
is there a caught up but still useless anyway option? Apparently now there is that option. Is there any chance that if you are town you could try to do enough not to get vig shot?
or Lynched.
##vote: Coagulation
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On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today.
Explain why if you think he is.
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On September 05 2013 20:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 05 2013 11:25 debears wrote:On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only that I'm immune from lynch today.
Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug* I'm surprised you are giving up on actually asking me why I read austin the way I do. I don't have to - you already explained it in enough detail for me to get a read on you. VE, although I'm going to take your answer with a huge saltlick since you're probably playing for a scum victory at this point, what read did you get on debears from your interaction? As for the cell.... I'm having a hard time seeing why scum austin would be so open about it. Like apparently he was anonymous and he just told stutters stuff about bunnies and then posted a giant bunny in thread? Scum has no reason to put themselves out there like that. Need more info, austin. What's your wincon, are you a compulsive recruiter, if so who is your 2nd recruit?? People mentioning the vet bell slam had but I completely missed that as well to be honest. One more thing, a troubling thought after reading WoS's post... Why didn't I die last night? The only two explanations are I got protected or I'm apparently wrong in my reads. I dunno how many more mislynches we have left but if I got protected the person who did should consider claiming... At the very least there's no way scum would let me live if I was right about slam.
From our point of view there is the obvious implied third option... re you
They let me live which i would have thought been the easiest way to get Alak lynched if he was town.
I suspect Scum are rather complacent actually.
They are a lot of kills in and so far dont appear to have done much to get there.
WIFOM like that never works. You cant guess their state of mind priorities powers ... or.
I try not to draw conclusion from things scum are confirmed to say or do. (aka Nks)
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On September 06 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What did you do to Kitanam last night?
he appears not to know?
##unvote: Coagulation
##vote: Alakslam
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On September 06 2013 04:08 austinmcc wrote:
Like, that's a silly claim from Onegu if it's not truthful, although slam claims not to have visited kita. So I dunno why he just claims out of nowhere with a multi-person check if it isn't real.
If he saw those guys visit, and someone killed kita, then either scum DID frame someone, and alakaslam would make a solid target, or one of them delivered the kill. And even if alakaslam was framed, he's claimed to have visited ShiaoPi and rbed him out of the blue, and ShiaoPi claims the block.
You think slam is town, so you think....he rbed Shiao for a reason? Or ... Shiao is scum and alakaslam is lying for fun and Shiao confirms it even though now he knows he's lying and someone knows?
Yo Austin. (or anyone else that thinks about stuff.)
Note I am not sure these are questions to be answered in the thread, that is your decision.
I have question I don't understand. (note normally when I ask questions in some sense I do... this is just WTF.)
Ok. So I am up to about this post of yours in the thread.
[redacted]
I just remembered why i went to bed... and Cheesecake still has not responded in the other thread.
and i wont be sounding out thread sentiment for any reason he cares to offer?
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On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is.
@OBVIOUS.
it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question...
NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle.
So I want an answer from the information you had at that time....
##unvote: Alakslam
##vote: ObviousOne
yeah i am serious ...
yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing)
yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too)
I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this."
I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town.
As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post...
You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town?
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On September 06 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
Axle...eh?
I was actually writing that post wrote a whole bunch of questions and thinking in the redacted section... then realised I was sounding out the ground for Cheesecake.
Cheescake needs to explain himself in the other thread.
I then also realised your post had prompted me to think. I thought it might be good to flag that you ought stop too.
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On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip.
Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn?
or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?)
Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that....
based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either."
before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either."
Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM?
Re: 3
I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing.
As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read.
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On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help?
ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post.
Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum.
Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI:] +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that."
Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"
Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town.
Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser?
How do you reach that conclusion?
I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. "
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On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer?
Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser?
How do you reach that conclusion?
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On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded.
I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt.
I will reword it for you.
ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error.
I assert he is.
I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586
which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339
which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there...
On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh).
(onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny)
Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok?
it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town.
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In other news... (thread)
Cheesecake has still not responded to why he visited Kita?
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On September 06 2013 12:43 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 12:30 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:
[quote]
@OBVIOUS.
it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question...
NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle.
So I want an answer from the information you had at that time....
##unvote: Alakslam
##vote: ObviousOne
yeah i am serious ...
yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing)
yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too)
I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this."
I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town.
As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post...
You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town?
Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded. I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt. I will reword it for you. ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error. I assert he is. I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there... On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh).
(onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny)
Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok?
it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town.
We're having a massive communication fail because I don't see an actual question here. If I'm understanding this right, you and I are on opposites sides of the fence when it comes to his use of the randomizer or whatever it was called. Is that correct? And that you also disagree that my subjective view on the other points also don't point to him being town. I'm not sure what I'm arguing against here, if anything.
No I am quite sure using the randomiser was not pro town thing to do.
I posted links to previous occasions where Alak has not thought stuff through at all.
You are effectively claiming Alak was fully cognisant of the effects of the randomiser and chose to do them anyway.
(aka scum motivated action.)
A watcher watched him be visited so he claimed tracker and concluded they were now both confirmed town.
However as Debears called the duel... which is not pro town thing to do (IMO...) he really ought now do some talking.
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On September 06 2013 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you're both town this is an unfathomable mistake.
Unforgivable.
Both of who?
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Aka I see you may plausibly referring to any two of DB Axle OO
I know who id be referring to ...
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