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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 31 2013 12:21 GMT
#1221
Onegu what is your victory condition?
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:22 GMT
#1222
Well, that Black Mesa group is/was going to be way bigger than 5(?) people circlejerking with fake names that are all town. Onegu should know that, and he revealed it without giving more information. I don't believe it. But Stutters confirmed it I guess. mehhhhh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:22 GMT
#1223
On August 31 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
koshi what the fuck? You want to kill confirmed townies?

How is he confirmed?
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 31 2013 12:23 GMT
#1224
This is pretty important since:
Black Mesa: Objective - Unknown
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 31 2013 12:23 GMT
#1225
On August 31 2013 21:22 Koshi wrote:
Well, that Black Mesa group is/was going to be way bigger than 5(?) people circlejerking with fake names that are all town.


What?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 31 2013 12:24 GMT
#1226
On August 31 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is pretty important since:
Show nested quote +
Black Mesa: Objective - Unknown


He's already said he has no alternative wincon.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 31 2013 12:24 GMT
#1227
It's the first fucking thing I asked it's like the post after he claims. Maybe read the thread first rayn
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:26 GMT
#1228
On August 31 2013 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:22 Koshi wrote:
Well, that Black Mesa group is/was going to be way bigger than 5(?) people circlejerking with fake names that are all town.


What?

They are in the OP. You think that they are in the OP so that Onegu/Stutters can come in the thread and say:

oh hai guis, BM is a mason group, we are totes town and win with town.
PS: there is a 3P in the group with the name Master Yi
GL HF
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:30 GMT
#1229
On August 31 2013 11:39 Onegu wrote:
I just woke up and have to finish kid stuff then I will catch up on the thread and post my reads not just BM things.

Also this. Onegu normally doesn't care too much. But in this post he obviously thought about the fact that he was looking bad because he only talked about "BM stuff".
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:34 GMT
#1230
But yeah, Stutters confirmed it.

So w.e
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 31 2013 12:34 GMT
#1231
On August 31 2013 21:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 31 2013 21:22 Koshi wrote:
Well, that Black Mesa group is/was going to be way bigger than 5(?) people circlejerking with fake names that are all town.


What?

They are in the OP. You think that they are in the OP so that Onegu/Stutters can come in the thread and say:

oh hai guis, BM is a mason group, we are totes town and win with town.
PS: there is a 3P in the group with the name Master Yi
GL HF


You think it more likely that every single one of them is anti town and two of them claimed?
Or that Onegu, as anti town, posted without changing his name there, and then decided to claim in thread to give town information?
If you can come up with a scenario where this would benefit anyone but a town onegu please explain.

Maybe there is a third party in there that has a wincon. I can't remember who brought up the idea of an sk in that group that wins when everyone but him in black mesa dies. I don't find it hard to believe that onegu is town. MAYBE he has an alternative wincon that he's not telling us about, but that's about it. Stutters even confirmed Onegu's phrasing of his PM, the infiltrator crap. Way too elaborate to be a big play
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:35 GMT
#1232
On August 31 2013 19:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Anyway, how about some thoughts on Oats?


Three salient points in Oat's filter

1. "kita scum" early on
On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play.


I can't speak to the policy vote bit since that's basically the stance I take with Alakaslam's playstyle.

Voting some "low hanging fruit" as Oats perceives it, early in the game, is pretty much a null for me, so I don't concur with Oat's scumread on kita for that. How wagons gain traction, and approach critical mass is more interesting I think in terms of trying to infer intent behind voting patterns.

In any case, I wouldn't put too much weight on this part of the filter in light of Dandel's temporary (?) shenaniganry and Kita subsequently unvoting.


2. felkyr

Oats is going after felkyr real hard; I don't really agree with that. I'm more inclined to give felkyr a bit more time and see what happens, since I've been there, obsessing too much about setup as a complete noob townie. I can see how a newbie could behave like that both as town and scum, so it's null and I would rather wait and see a bit more rather than lynch into him so hardcore from the get-go. If he's noob scum, it would benefit us if he is given more opportunities to slip up, plus we'll have more interactions to look at if and when he flips.


3. "extremely strong town read on Dandel"

I don't comprehend this one; some kind of mafia-fu I don't understand? This is really wierd for me.
Oats you want to explain this to me perhaps?



Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 31 2013 12:35 GMT
#1233
Let's go back to scumhunting instead. We're not lynching onegu today.
Felkyr is the wagon of justice. geript is probably not a bad shot tonight.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 31 2013 12:38 GMT
#1234
I can lynch Felkyr.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Felkyr
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 31 2013 12:38 GMT
#1235
Yeah, because Stutters confirmed it, it looks better for both of them. But for your viewing pleasure I made a scenario.

+ Show Spoiler +
Onegu is scum
Onegu posts with his real name
scum QT is "shit dawwg, that aint smart, there will be 3P in there"
Onegu gathers easy towncred with people like Oats/Clarity
If there is a 3p assassin in the Mason group Onegu would die anyway
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 31 2013 12:47 GMT
#1236
So Onegu decides to claim like a day into the game because?
Like why does he want to claim as scum anyway?

Cakepie are you scum?
You just posted a whole bunch about how you think my reads are bad and commenting on those reads but you didnt say ANYTHING about my alignment at all.
No gg, No skill.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:49 GMT
#1237
Jumping in on this Black Mesa thing, I am not fully sold on the "no wincon" bit, but I can see from a flavor perspective how it might consist of a mix of town/scum/3p players -- if you view Black Mesa as a location rather than an organization, we're talking about a dimensional rift that put a bunch of good guys (Freeman et al), bad guys (aliens) and not-sure-what-guys (govt/military) together in one place. Space/time shenanigans, we've seen it in games here before, wouldn't rule it out.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 31 2013 12:49 GMT
#1238
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.
No gg, No skill.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:53 GMT
#1239
On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cakepie are you scum?

Last I checked, green is town-aligned, so nope.

On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
You just posted a whole bunch about how you think my reads are bad and commenting on those reads but you didnt say ANYTHING about my alignment at all.


I don't think your reads necessarily make you scummy, I just disagree is all.
I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
August 31 2013 12:55 GMT
#1240
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look
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