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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 30 2013 18:28 GMT
#841
On August 31 2013 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Did you come to a conclusion on cora based on your interaction with him BH?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&currentpage=40#794


of course, I'm assuming you mean a conclusion beyond "cora is sooper butthurt"
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 30 2013 18:29 GMT
#842
On August 31 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH.

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?


I have my doubts considering it's you lol. I remember you talking about your scum play somewhere and you like to make really long meaningless cases since you said people just see "yea long post must be town"

Referencing Carnival cruise and town games I've played with you I'm suspicious. You're doing shit though so not like you're in danger of being lynched anytime soon though. I also would not waste my kills on you if I ever get to use it.
I come in for the scraps
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 30 2013 18:29 GMT
#843
lol thats cause you are bad CC
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 30 2013 18:30 GMT
#844
On August 31 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH.

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?


I have my doubts considering it's you lol. I remember you talking about your scum play somewhere and you like to make really long meaningless cases since you said people just see "yea long post must be town"

Referencing Carnival cruise and town games I've played with you I'm suspicious. You're doing shit though so not like you're in danger of being lynched anytime soon though. I also would not waste my kills on you if I ever get to use it.


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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 30 2013 18:31 GMT
#845
So why does your case suck so hard then BH?
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 30 2013 18:31 GMT
#846
Venn diagram OP
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
August 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#847
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.


geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here

geript:
"keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!"

well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh


In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.


If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro

check out dis shit
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:
On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.


If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia.

Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself?


Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.


You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look:

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town?
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?


OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense.

Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him.

##vote Cephiro


I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.

Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#848
On August 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys catching up

On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

Maybe this one if it's going to live in a perpetual state of catch-up? It's hard to pick. WOS voted Shiao back, this whole thing kinda went nowhere. Can we get some resolution between you two? Hug it out? Fight it out? 20 paces and draw lightsabers?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 30 2013 18:33 GMT
#849
On August 31 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH.

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?


I have my doubts considering it's you lol. I remember you talking about your scum play somewhere and you like to make really long meaningless cases since you said people just see "yea long post must be town"

Referencing Carnival cruise and town games I've played with you I'm suspicious. You're doing shit though so not like you're in danger of being lynched anytime soon though. I also would not waste my kills on you if I ever get to use it.


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If I ignored everything you did as both alignments then I would just have to ignore you every game since you aren't a dogshit player.
I come in for the scraps
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#850
Hey

HiroPro

You my evil cousin aren't you?

This speech of the brown, yes?

You, you mule you, you fool you, you affront The Blazinghand, He Who Is Taciturn (yet has said plenty this game somehow)

Such is to incur+ Show Spoiler +


Look, a locker. I will store these here.

I'll be watching out for you...

If she talks maybe as she talks out of myself she will be helpful.

the professional hero... I must send one I my children to meet him...

Oh no you won't. He could be another lost individual as is myself. His near depth with mine hints at that, who else hangs around in an area condemned midsummer of '61? But he seems stuck in the 50's, I'm up here in the 70's...
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#851
VA you are truly a man after my heart.

This gif will convey my innermost thoughts:

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 30 2013 18:36 GMT
#852
On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.


geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here

geript:
"keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!"

well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh


In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.


If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro

check out dis shit
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:
On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.


If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia.

Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself?


Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.


You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look:

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town?
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?


OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense.

Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him.

##vote Cephiro


I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.

Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.


You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 30 2013 18:37 GMT
#853
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points
I come in for the scraps
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 30 2013 18:37 GMT
#854
On August 31 2013 03:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.


geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here

geript:
"keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!"

well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh


In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.


If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro

check out dis shit
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:
On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.


If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia.

Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself?


Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.


You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look:

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town?
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?


OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense.

Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him.

##vote Cephiro


I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.

Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.


You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?


if cephiro's response to my case convinces you he's scum more than my case does, I chuckle and feel a little sad for myself. BUT I'LL TAKE IT!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
August 30 2013 18:38 GMT
#855
On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points


LOL OH MAN IS IT REALLY TRUE
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 30 2013 18:38 GMT
#856
On August 31 2013 03:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey

HiroPro

You my evil cousin aren't you?

This speech of the brown, yes?

You, you mule you, you fool you, you affront The Blazinghand, He Who Is Taciturn (yet has said plenty this game somehow)

Such is to incur+ Show Spoiler +


Look, a locker. I will store these here.

I'll be watching out for you...

If she talks maybe as she talks out of myself she will be helpful.

the professional hero... I must send one I my children to meet him...

Oh no you won't. He could be another lost individual as is myself. His near depth with mine hints at that, who else hangs around in an area condemned midsummer of '61? But he seems stuck in the 50's, I'm up here in the 70's...

He may be your father, but you are not his son!!! Slay him!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 30 2013 18:38 GMT
#857
On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points


What? I can understand thinking cephiro is more scummy for it (although I don't think he is) but how does blazing's case make him more townie if it's replied to, as opposed to.... not?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 30 2013 18:41 GMT
#858
On August 31 2013 03:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points


What? I can understand thinking cephiro is more scummy for it (although I don't think he is) but how does blazing's case make him more townie if it's replied to, as opposed to.... not?


it doesn't make blazing more town but it makes cephiro scummier. And I don't see why they would be bussing this early. Cephiro put way too much thought into how to respond to that case, overthinking is a sign of scum in my opinion.
I come in for the scraps
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
August 30 2013 18:42 GMT
#859
On August 31 2013 03:36 kitaman27 wrote:
You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?


Knowing how long he's played here and how good he can be, I'd expect more of him. He clearly twists my words, but that is something that can happen easily when you are trying hard to pressure someone. You start seeing your thoughts as the absolute word and thus twist everything someone says into such matters.

I've had a very neutral read on him so far, but his case makes him look slightly worse to me. I wouldn't go as far as calling him anti-town yet.

On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points


In my opinion, a townie should not neglect a case on them however bad it is, especially if some things are painted in a way which could be misunderstood compared to the original intentions. I don't know about you, but in my opinion I'd look much more scummy if I just let it slide by when no-one else seemed to take much note of it.
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On August 31 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have an extremely strong town read on Dandel. Like Iamp IC read.

Kita's policy lynch is wrong because he said he wanted to policy lynch because Dandel didnt read his role pm when it was obvious it was a joke and dandel clearly read it after that post.

I dont see that the interaction with WoS as being alignment indicative for either of them.....

So you think that Dandel wrote that post and then withing the minute read his PM and made that capslock magic post?
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