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Oh BTW. I still dont believe what geript said about the votes not mattering at all.
I still believe there is information to be gained by examining who voted where when and why.
@everyone Towny points (if you think you need them) if someone can suggest that while the D1 lynch is quite a wash in terms of normal analysis of votes as scum were neither trying to drive nor disrupt Geripts lynch
How can you analyse the D1 lynch and try to glean some info about who was scum or town motivated?
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sorry for any confusion those are for the item (not the double vote above the post)
thats a mere technicality...
it took me a while to find enough face palms...
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On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript?
I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit...
FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you...
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On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript? I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you...
ooops sorry not voting for anyone was the state I thought i was in, it was what I planned to do, when I read the alakaslam thing I just kind of got mind blown and lost it for a while.
its not that i wouldnt lynch HiroPro, or even that I was persuaded by his responses, its more that while i want him to answer questions, today, hes not the only one...
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On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 02 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Axle what is your reason for not voting geript? I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you... I don't understand any of this.. geript is perfectly capable, even decent, as looking town when he is town. Your suggestion is that he purposely looked like scum so he could rig the votes and make D1 voting patterns unreadable? What purpose does that serve as town? Him giving us doesn't mean he is town. My opinions on geript are I think in the thread/filter and fairly clear.
I lynch scum at the end of the day. During the day I find them. That is what I have been doing. Do you believe voting for geript and doing ..... will find scum.
On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote, Alakaslam looks hella suspicious and should be the other candidate. Anyone who has been reading the thread should not vote for ShiaoPi unless someone CC's him regarding the pokemons or unless i drop dead.
What are your thoughts on Alakaslam?
I have some thoughts. Currently I am waiting to see how it plays out. At some point I would ask questions of people (probably anyone other than alak) as I still don't know exactly what happened. except it was face palm +++ material.
On September 02 2013 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Also what was the point of your post about me, this one: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:25 AxleGreaser wrote:On August 31 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 30 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see any point in bringing up a speculation of multiple scumteams, especially from kita, as the game OP clearly states there are multiple scumteams. No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that. Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games? Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything) Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it iswas as they(BM faction) won when they outnumbered ...the sleeper cell nature of them made them rather different to a normal scum team. What they'd be this time is unknown to me... @RaynWhy do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'? Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game? Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that. @RaynI am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said? I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was. it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games. So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta. What were you trying to accomplish with this and when i did not answer you why did you not follow that up in any way?
Notice how you claim to know exactly what black mesa IS Whereas my information comes from reading previous games and so onyl know what it iswas.
I could call that a scum/mesa slip... by you. I am pretty sure you were overlooking that Black mesa might well be significantly different this time. Indeed as the setup is meant to be closed, it is probably anything except what it was last time.
Also my suspicion levels of you have not reached level where I think I should do something active about them.
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On September 02 2013 23:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 23:18 debears wrote: Ok. I'll just tell you guys my power and we can decide.
I can nirvana strike someone, meaning the lynch goes between me and them
If the lynch is a double lynch (like now), then we both automatically die. I don't know what of make of this post. debears, you're pretty good at this game, why would he suggest such a terrible thing? Eh. You might be overexaggerating a little bit there. Anyways, here is my thought process. geript was almost unanimously scummy to everyone right? So he is unlynchable in a normal vote cuz he has vote transfer or something like that. And he didn't die at night, meaning we have no vig or he has some sort of protection. If he has sustained protection, I highly doubt it would come from a town source. So he's likely scum. I can end his life here and now in a situation where we might not be able to kill him.
From my point of view his play is certainly scummy. he even says it is. (intentionally during D1) Even if from some uber power point of view it was worth screwing over D1, since D1 he also has not played townie, and is in IDGAF mode.
I can make some setup specualtion abotu how he cant be scum as that would be unreasonable... but this is aperture. + Show Spoiler +On September 02 2013 23:05 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 02 2013 20:38 Hassybaby wrote:On September 02 2013 10:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 09:54 Hassybaby wrote:Huh....turns out I didn't roll high enough to save VE ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) Are you the one that made him a noflip? Nope. At least, I dont think so How can you not know for sure? Is there something in your role that you don't know about yourself? Remember that this is an Aperture game. In Aperture 1 I killed a guy because I used my medic card on someone else, so
If killing him was cheap id be in. As for trying to guess another another ordinary lynch would do anything to him. or whether 1 scum kp was blocked(assm 3?) and one of the nk was vig who didnt shoot geript... or ....
Well theres virtually endless that.
Thus on the pros and cons of debears plan I am of the Op I have no idea.
Unless theres some time limit doing it early would be bad. We ought spend what time we can seeing if we can find two scum to lynch.
Bottom line. This is game where people do whatever.... so whatever.
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On September 02 2013 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Like look at it this way, geript is likely scum but I have this nagging feeling. His play makes no sense as either alignment. If you martyr yourself to kill you and geript and geript flips town, we are fucked.
If geripts town and we have town members(who could be and have the skills to be capable) actively(intentionally) playing against us were fucked too.
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On September 02 2013 23:50 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Like look at it this way, geript is likely scum but I have this nagging feeling. His play makes no sense as either alignment. If you martyr yourself to kill you and geript and geript flips town, we are fucked. If geripts town and we have town members(who could be and have the skills to be capable) actively(intentionally) playing against us were fucked too.
Time left to decide on debears idea first we need to see if we can find two good Lynches.
Then consider two good lynches vs Debears & geript
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Also as discussion i suspect might just have turned left.
Another point people could comment on today is the following question.
@Everyone.
yesterday i nominated 3 people i wanted to vote for me. If we end the day with two good lynches.
is there anyone that think they would be good people to be on the third wagon voting for me? is there any opinion on how many people if any ought try that ....
Note we can only do that if it does not jeopardise the right lynches happening, or people being able to analyse the votes on the wagon. Aka we run the wagons if it gets boring as it becomes clear who's getting lynched we can try my shenanie.
cost benfit of the plan. Basically if its free i say there is pro town value in some people voting for me at the end of the day. It seems i have fairly naff capabilities granted me by my PM.
I also say there is some pro town value in people nominating themselves.
As i didnt care about some scum voting for me, the question scum have to ask themselves before nominating themselves is .... do they feel lucky. Well do yah.
(I make my own epic)
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On September 03 2013 00:05 debears wrote: If we do decide on my super stylin plan, let me know within 7 hours or so.
Put it this way clarity.
1) If I was mafia and geript was town, it would be stupid for me to even bring up my power. If a majority tell me to do it, and I don't, I'm claiming mafia. I wasn't really at threat of being lynched yet. Geript would be lynched eventually based on his day 1. 2) If we were both mafia, full retard move
Bummer I was planning to sleep.
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On September 03 2013 00:27 ShiaoPi wrote: can we lynch hiro? dude is scum ##Vote: HiroPro
While i am glad that you think so would you care to indicate why you think that.
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On September 03 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Alakaslam
Because why not?
I am getting pretty tired but as i remember things because you have not and neither has anyone else on Alak explained why he did that as scum.
Note my previous estimates of Alaks capabilities had to be lowered somewhat to get any possibility that as scum or town he would simply shuffle the items in a fit of pique because a town BH got lynched.
But I haven't seen a suggestion I could understand how he or his scum team would have thought his actions were wise as a scum play.
Not sold on Alak being a good lynch at all.
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On September 03 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 03 2013 01:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Alakaslam
Because why not? I am getting pretty tired but as i remember things because you have not and neither has anyone else on Alak explained why he did that as scum. Note my previous estimates of Alaks capabilities had to be lowered somewhat to get any possibility that as scum or town he would simply shuffle the items in a fit of pique because a town BH got lynched. But I haven't seen a suggestion I could understand how he or his scum team would have thought his actions were wise as a scum play. Not sold on Alak being a good lynch at all. His actions make no sense as town. They make a lot of sense as scum. Why as scum would he mention the existence of the d6 instead of just using it anonymously? I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that town would not use it. Why ruin a town plan as town AND possibly let the d6 fall in scum hands.
And the bit you say "I dont know" for is the bit I cant explain easily if hes scum.
He had his last newbie recently... his claim (as town) in that was rather mind boggling. (not as much as this one) but if you read through the thread where I said it blew my mind.. I maybe see a towny alak realising ooops. Clar: Why ruin a town plan as town AND possibly let the d6 fall in scum hands.
a fit of pique?
It seemed epic and he didnt think it through... + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 23:47 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: why even consider martyring yourself?
I realized it would possibly ruin discussion, but I wanted to go with the majority consensus. Anyways there are a few reasons why. 1) It almost seems like my power was destined for this moment if he is indeed not a 1shot voterigger 2) It would be epic 3) I could post this context enriched video Being epic plays some part in some decisions
On September 02 2013 18:33 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hey who had the broken bell thing, the shattered bell before me? You know how d6 was town. Only way we all get to use it?
Can you confirm so only Koshi hate me plz thank you cya tomorrow if I can pry away from addicting adrenalin rush
I know trying to see if thinking like that is possible hurts... but yeah TBMK a towny Alak might actually just make it go boom to see the bang...
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About lies fake claims and green checks. + Show Spoiler +This post is not AT cheesecake. it is simply a suitable context. On September 03 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote: Post from Black Mesa
Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that
I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames.
Also there is a green check on shiao pi. Oh that's good. Questions: 1) How can I trust Black Mesa, and who claims this green check? 2) Providing this green check isn't fake, how do we know it wasn't fucked with at night? 3) There are people in this game that if they publicly claimed 'I have green check I am cop....' I would have to think very hard which of these was true A) not lying B) scum and lying(about having an alignment check). (but know the guys green) C) town and lying because green is their read, and they wish to hoodwink town That's the problem when townies start flat out lying about roles. It then dilutes the power of any and every future claim you make. As contrast, In this game of myself I have not told all there is to tell... the truth lies within the bounds of what I have said which is still as broad as I can make it.
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+ Show Spoiler [Kits Rip 2 VE] +On September 03 2013 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes. VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes? As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks. All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot.
Axle: tips hat. Skip: runs over and gives big wet puppy kiss/lick.
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On September 03 2013 12:20 geript wrote:My voting power is currently -1. enjoy.
Your ability to post and participate in finding scum does not need to be zero.
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On September 03 2013 12:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote: Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. None of this actually makes me scum.
but how did your actions benefit town?
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On September 02 2013 13:24 Risen wrote: There's a lot of points being made about other people that apply equally to me. I find it interesting that cheesecake is the only one consistently pressuring me. I'd be very interested in the filters of those people who mention me off hand but don't follow through at all.
@Risen So did you do anything with your interest?
or did you
On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote: Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard.
Just turn up when the dust is pretty settled and say some stuff. that really doesn't let me see much about how your thinking.
If you were scum and there was really a town player trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make. If you were scum and there was really a scum player who thought they were so 'caught scum' trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make.
Can you think of anything to do that would give me confidence you are town?
If geript is scum as you imply and the game is balanced, town is effectively at the first lynch they control.. so we could always try to lurker lynch you to see what happens.
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On September 03 2013 14:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote: Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled.
Geript: Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. Your time is (presumably you claim town) is towns time and your wasting it.
Geript: If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. You talk about town as if you are not part of it are you claiming scum AGAIN?
But you intentionally playing to your scum meta... the wagon on you was so strong I couldn't find a viable alternative wagon... I spent my time trying to find such a viable alternative wagon, you(if you are town) wasted my time. You still are.
Geript: Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread.
Well one of the anyones who could go back read would be you (as you seem to imply you are town)
So how would people progress the thread when one person who now claims to be town was single handedly ensuring there was only one viable wagon? Thus there is very little way to force scum to make decisions and take stances?
Geript: Prove it
Uh no... it is hardly ever proved someone is scum when they get lynched. There is just a preponderance of evidence. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 Here i highlighted a few bits.... Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity.
The only evidence i can think of that you might be town.. is you are geript. is a role such as yours unbalanced if its scum. ( I have clear ideas how it might be a scum role) If activating your(scums) D1 vote rigging mandated the D2 double lynch... then apart from giving you the power to mess with town and get presumably 4 scum controlled kills D1, after a double town controlled lynch... we are back close to par. So there is nothing about your role that for me screams cant be scum. Your play however even apart from the D1 stuff up ... consists of entirely lurk.
Not sure how much more proven it could be?
We have two lynches today... I am happy for one lynch today to be geripts. Based on his play I find zero reason not to.
So while I already have a vote on one wagon... ** want geript lynched (today not tomorrow)
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