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Blazinghand
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Oh so you just think I'm scum, and you'd rather I wasn't scum. That makes sense. That being said, nobody's lynching me for at least the first few days of this game. I'm far too valuable!
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then.
##unvote
##vote geript
my points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ceph what are your thoughts on BH presently?
I would also like to hear this
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ceph what are your thoughts on BH presently? I would also like to hear this I'd like your thoughts on Wave plx.
No thoughts. I can't even remember what posts he's made this game. I do recall cora flipping out at him but that's it
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Blazinghand
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VE I know you've got some stuff on your plate atm but if you have a moment I'm interested in what you think of my response
On August 31 2013 07:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ceph what are your thoughts on BH presently? I would also like to hear this I'd like your thoughts on Wave plx. No thoughts. I can't even remember what posts he's made this game. I do recall cora flipping out at him but that's it
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
If geript is scum, isn't this a really bad time to claim unlynchable? Why did he do it as scum?
not to be all like on that idea, but there is the possibility that geript is scum but also isn't unlynchable-- so it's actually a fake claim
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:31 Blazinghand wrote:VE I know you've got some stuff on your plate atm but if you have a moment I'm interested in what you think of my response On August 31 2013 07:23 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ceph what are your thoughts on BH presently? I would also like to hear this I'd like your thoughts on Wave plx. No thoughts. I can't even remember what posts he's made this game. I do recall cora flipping out at him but that's it I don't like it - I asked you for thoughts and you were like "lolnope". What do you want me to say?
Nothing, just that you don't like it.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
If geript is scum, isn't this a really bad time to claim unlynchable? Why did he do it as scum? not to be all like on that idea, but there is the possibility that geript is scum but also isn't unlynchable-- so it's actually a fake claim But why, to bait getting lynched? Or was he expecting us to go. Oh, you are unlynchable, ok, confirmed townie!
He could be hoping to avoid being lynched in hopes of being vigied instead, and his team has a mafia medic they can just use on him (since he'll be catching N1 bullets). Alternatively, he could be a weird 3p role that wants to get... shot? Certainly in the example of a non-lynchproof non-town geript there are many reasons he might want to just live through D1 and make it to N2.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:42 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
He could be hoping to avoid being lynched in hopes of being vigied instead, and his team has a mafia medic they can just use on him (since he'll be catching N1 bullets). Alternatively, he could be a weird 3p role that wants to get... shot? Certainly in the example of a non-lynchproof non-town geript there are many reasons he might want to just live through D1 and make it to N2. Is this pure speculation or are you slipping? Let's assume he is mafia and mafia has a medic. Why would this assumed mafia trade information of their powers for one KP really? If I was scum, I certainly wouldn't give info about my team's roles so easily.
It's speculation, but it's speculation based on known facts
1) geript has claimed lynchproof (100%)
2) geript is scum (75% not factoring in #1)
given these two propositions, we say, Prop 2 seems less likely given #1 unless we can give situations in which both could be true. I have given these situations.
In any case, there are still other options. Geript could be a mafia Veteran. Perhaps there are other town roles that could prevent KP. Maybe the vigi will get nightkilled. And let's be real here, worried about giving away the existence of a mafia medic? hiding the idea of "mafia medic" IS SO MUCH LESS IMPORTANT than actually using that
come on man
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Blazinghand
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I'm not getting lynched today Hiro. Even if you don't like me and want to lynch me, I'm still in the townier half of this town and it's sub-optimal to lynch me D1 regardless
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:54 HiroPro wrote:On August 31 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not getting lynched today Hiro. Even if you don't like me and want to lynch me, I'm still in the townier half of this town and it's sub-optimal to lynch me D1 regardless On August 31 2013 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not getting lynched today Hiro. Even if you don't like me and want to lynch me, I'm still in the townier half of this town and it's sub-optimal to lynch me D1 regardless This is fact. All of it. Luckily, I don't need either of your approval! No but you do need votes, and our votes would certainly aid in that quest. Just saying - it would be beneficial to get at least one of our approval. :/
and pro tip you're definitely not getting mine!
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 23:16 AxleGreaser wrote:On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like. Here's my problem bbygrl. Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it. I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't. In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance). I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph. {emphadd} So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment? Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes, hello.
Replacing Corazon I see.
Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum
Now I see the butthurt is overflowing.
While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure)
Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF
*sob*
everyone is so mean to me!
/curtains
Whoooooooo What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was? Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt see BH as trying to pick a fight kita, it felt to me like he was trying to get Cora to play the game properly.
Clarity, it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play. I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad" In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON. On August 31 2013 02:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hi. Can we lynch this guy? If I have to explain why, you are not town or bad. On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.
What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.
Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?
On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts. ##Vote: Felkyr Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post So....BH. I was re-reading the thread like a good little towny and I came across this. Can you in all honesty say that you did not expect the outcome of your exchange with Cora considering how incensed he clearly already was? Especially considering: a) You made it very clear that you know Cora VERY well b) You yourself made him ragequit the Skype group at one point. I would not put it past you at all considering your antagonistic playstyle at times to have planned that somehow. To what end I have no idea. It just doesn't seem likely that you were doing it to defend him of all things while very clearly being a jerk to him. And another thing. Why haven't you attacked me yet? Or made any read at all towards me?
I was DEFENDING HIM. I WAS DEFENDING HIM.
Jesus christ man I knew cora was butthurt, and I figured by prodding him he'd flip out in thread (or not flip out) and that would give us some info, I did not expect him to pull on a full on rage quit from all of TL Mafia.
Laziness
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Blazinghand
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In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.
In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead.
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Blazinghand
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In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.
In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead. I didn't hate Cora as much as other people seem to (though I do like DI). And yes you have a point regarding not having 'eliminated' a townie which is the disconnect I'm having. I can't come up with the reason why you would do what you did exactly. The defense thing makes sense to a degree but if that's really how you planned on defending him it was a real shit way to do so. There is no reason to be devious and force Cora to rage in the thread if proving him towny was your goal...you just could have fucking TOLD us. (Why need to prove him towny in the first place at all...?) Also fuck being lazy BH. In every game we've played together we have had significant antagonistic interaction, and this one appears to be the exception. Why?
laziness
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Blazinghand
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also imma be real i could have defended cora (and note, everything I said about him being butthurt was a defense of him, albeit a soft one) in a less antagonistic way, but my way was SUBSTANTIALLY more fun.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.
I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him.
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Blazinghand
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Seriously though show me how it makes sense for P(Blazinghand is town|Blazinghand knew cora would rq) > 0 and I will be amazed
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Blazinghand
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er, < 1? or ~Blazinghand is town?
pretend I wrote that in a way that makes sense and is mathy and impressive
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him. Wait so you definitely didn't think this (and so assumed that Cora is either smarter than that/would pick up on it/whatever) and yet you called my idea that he'd be smart enough to fake it ridiculous?
Cora being smart enough to fake anything is ridiculous. I just assumed he wasn't a TOTAL babby.
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