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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 08:25 GMT
#470
On August 30 2013 17:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On August 30 2013 17:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 30 2013 17:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because he's Finnish and it probably took him an hour to understand his role or whatever.
Seeing as he was spamming up GoT as well, him not posting much isn't following his scum OR town meta.
OMG I SOLVED IT HES 3P GG

We got role PMs ages ago.

Dis Clarity trolling is making me uncomfortable. y u not 110% serious? I thought that was your weakness.


It's a greymist game, I'm having fun.
My point was that he was finnish and it was therefore really late.


you're saying maybe it took him a long time to finnish reading his role pm?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 08:33 GMT
#475
On August 30 2013 17:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, I'm saying he's from Finland. It was late when he posted, so he probably went to bed instead of posting more.
I also said rayn posts a lot as either alignment so it's kinda moot.
Anything stand out to you Blazing? Whadye think of WoS?


I could lynch him. I'm mostly chillaxing and watching anime at the moment, waiting to see more people's thread reactions.

In case it wasn't clear (i know the netherlands has like better english than america but i'm gonna spell it out anyways) I'm making a pun. I said he didnt Finnish reading his role PM. It means Finnish, as in, from Finland, but it sounds also like finish.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 17:50 GMT
#792
On August 31 2013 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's the thing about hunting for and lynching specifically the Black Mesa faction from my perspective.

Scum's win-con is more or less known to us. They've got to, by some fashion, outnumber or equal town. That's their purpose, and that's how they win. What's Black Mesa's win-con? Anyone even DARE to guess?

We have no idea. Maybe they're town-flavored! Maybe they're on a secret team with the scumteam! We just don't know.


This
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 17:53 GMT
#794
On August 30 2013 23:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
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On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

What about
4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched?
There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh.

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit?


Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like.

Here's my problem bbygrl.
Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it.

I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't.
In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance).


I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph.
{emphadd}

So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment?

Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes, hello.

Replacing Corazon I see.

Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum
Now I see the butthurt is overflowing.

While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure)

Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF

*sob*

everyone is so mean to me!

/curtains


Whoooooooo


What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was?


Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards

On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt see BH as trying to pick a fight kita, it felt to me like he was trying to get Cora to play the game properly.

Clarity, it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play.


I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad"

In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON.

On August 31 2013 02:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hi. Can we lynch this guy? If I have to explain why, you are not town or bad.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.

What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.

Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?

On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts.


##Vote: Felkyr


Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:00 GMT
#801
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.


geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here

geript:
"keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!"

well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh

You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro

check out dis shit
On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.


If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia.

Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself?


Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.

His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look:

On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town?
On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?


OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense.

Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him.

##vote Cephiro
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:03 GMT
#804
Oh man I have felkyr mixed up with someone else, I'm not sure who, who came here from mafiascum forums. never mind what I said re: him
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:25 GMT
#836
On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH.

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:27 GMT
#840
On August 31 2013 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Did you come to a conclusion on cora based on your interaction with him BH?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&currentpage=40#794
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:28 GMT
#841
On August 31 2013 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Did you come to a conclusion on cora based on your interaction with him BH?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&currentpage=40#794


of course, I'm assuming you mean a conclusion beyond "cora is sooper butthurt"
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:30 GMT
#844
On August 31 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 31 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
eh I might be wrong about cephiro then, that case seems like classic scum BH.

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?


I have my doubts considering it's you lol. I remember you talking about your scum play somewhere and you like to make really long meaningless cases since you said people just see "yea long post must be town"

Referencing Carnival cruise and town games I've played with you I'm suspicious. You're doing shit though so not like you're in danger of being lynched anytime soon though. I also would not waste my kills on you if I ever get to use it.


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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#851
VA you are truly a man after my heart.

This gif will convey my innermost thoughts:

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:37 GMT
#854
On August 31 2013 03:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.


geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here

geript:
"keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!"

well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh


In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.


If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro

check out dis shit
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:
On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.


If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia.

Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself?


Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.


You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:
His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look:

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town?
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?


OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense.

Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him.

##vote Cephiro


I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.

Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.


You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?


if cephiro's response to my case convinces you he's scum more than my case does, I chuckle and feel a little sad for myself. BUT I'LL TAKE IT!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 18:38 GMT
#855
On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points


LOL OH MAN IS IT REALLY TRUE
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 20:35 GMT
#912
I thought we just had a bunch of Bill Murrays
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:21 GMT
#960
On August 31 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi. I did not read the past 7 pages but BH is mafia.
##Vote: Blazinghand


I'd like to hear your specific thought process and reasoning as to why I'm mafia
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:22 GMT
#961
Also you should really read P41
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:24 GMT
#963
VE you and me we're like *this* don't you even worry
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:27 GMT
#965
On August 31 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
No you're throwing in your lot with the likes of geript. If he flips scum you're next, and I don't like that it has to be like that.


why don't you like it? what's "the likes" of geript?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#966
Like it sounds to me like you're saying this

"Geript is going to flip scum, and then we're going to lynch you, because you will flip scum also. and that is.... bad"

why would that be bad? or am i misunderstanding you
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 30 2013 21:29 GMT
#969
I'm willing to lynch slam entirely on policy, but not Day 1.
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