EPTHelp me understand debears
Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 - Page 167
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:28 debears wrote: 1) I'd love to hear how he isn't scummy when other people think so. 2) My nirvana strike was a vote in essense (I'm not gonna vote for myself) 3) How so? It makes sense to me seeing as I'd be a lynch candidate anyways and I believe he's scum 4) My nirvana strike on oo specifically makes sense since I think he's scum. Duh 5) Why? I have yet to see a legitimate reason to my scumminess. The only thing anyone has been able to say is "you are lurking", which is not in tune to any meta of mine in any game. Hence, it is a null tell, and you are solely lynching me for lurking, which is anti-town. 1) I explained my stance already on OO. What other people think of him means shit to me. 2) That's the point. You don't even try to get OO lynched "in traditional way". You just #YOLO between him and you immediately. 3) right, that's why it does not make sense as town 4) see (3) 5) I have stated my reasons why i think you are scummy. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
What changed that made my scummy between this post? On September 03 2013 09:25 ObviousOne wrote: Holy shit, read through debears, you're the fucking MAN. You're like our little pet baneling! (Or were, at least for today =P) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://boroofficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pyrimid_web1-894x1024.jpg) and this post? On September 06 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote: Is debears really playing the game while being more than half the game behind in reading the thread? What the fuck?! Considering I had told you guys from the start I was behind On September 02 2013 05:04 debears wrote: I'll tell you when I catch back up. Still on page 34. Fun times This quote is on page 94 for retrospect. 60 pages behind at that point. Why was I suddenly scummy today for playing behind? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:35 Clarity_nl wrote: What townie jumps on a wagon because he thinks the wagon is on scum, and then thinks "fuck it looks like I'm bussing and I won't get any credit for lynching scum!" Help me understand debears A townie that has no thread presence or towncred, that's who (and one that likely won't get any in a traditional way because he is behind).. anyways look at my latest question to OO | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Wow. Is it possible you're actually both scum? I don't understand why you care so much for appearances. The OO lynch was clearly possible, and the reason you nirvana striked was so that you took the credit instead of shiaopi and no one would call you out for bussing? How was it clearly possible? there was only one vote on him at the time | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Wow. Is it possible you're actually both scum? I don't understand why you care so much for appearances. The OO lynch was clearly possible, and the reason you nirvana striked was so that you took the credit instead of shiaopi and no one would call you out for bussing? not bussing, wagoning. Bussing would imply I'm scum | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:15 austinmcc wrote: Abdicating defending yourself and nirvana striking right then does NOT feel solid/logical. Actually being in thread and posting like this seems solid and logical. Ugh. Gonna go read OO deeper. Risen, if you're around, wtf is this I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
1) I get lynched. Ok no sweat 2) OO is lynched. I gain insta town cred. I don't have to defend myself for a whole day anymore. I could have taken the non-nirvana strike route 1) possibly get OO lynched 2) possbily someone else get lynched 3) possibly I get lynched 4) defend myself for a whole day 5) defend myself for the next "x" lynches after that after surviving today's lynch Which looks more appealing to you/>? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. Right? especially in a 30 player game. It actually suprises me that this guy is actually the most logical one here. He was actually looking alot scummier before this. And why didn't he shoot one of the many lurkers (ie me even) as a vig?> | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:42 debears wrote: seriously, at this point, one of two things happen 1) I get lynched. Ok no sweat 2) OO is lynched. I gain insta town cred. I don't have to defend myself for a whole day anymore. I could have taken the non-nirvana strike route 1) possibly get OO lynched 2) possbily someone else get lynched 3) possibly I get lynched 4) defend myself for a whole day 5) defend myself for the next "x" lynches after that after surviving today's lynch Which looks more appealing to you/>? So you're really 100% on him flipping scum? On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. This is a good point. UGH | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. No, I get what happens in each case. What I don't get is not wanting to "waste" a lynch. Given how many flips there were at the start of today, I don't understand wanting the maximum number of bodies today. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're really 100% on him flipping scum? This is a good point. UGH Risen kinda answered your qestion for me. 1) his vote on me makes no sense given his claim 2) His claim makes no sense given how a vig role is best utilized (especially in a 30 player game) 3) His claim makes no sense given how much kp scum have and how seriously he thought he would survive to n3 4) His claim makes no sense how early it was after the nirvana strike if he actually thought he had a case on me Dat's why he scum dawg | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I'm going to laugh when they're double scum and OO is lying about his power. He flips red, doesn't have the dayvig, debears gets credit (but as is being shown in thread discussion right now if debears was being truthful about his reasoning for choosing OO there's a fairly large gap). OR OO comes into thread with about 6 hours left and says "I was lying, I didn't expect you guys to lynch me so I claimed dayvig. Debears isn't actually dying. Then shitstorm ensues and someone gets lynched. I would have immediately swapped back to debears had OO claimed this prior to me thinking about the double bus, and I don't think I'm alone. Then, even with OO flip (if he's red) debears still gets cleared somewhat, except we now have some seriously faulty reasoning coming from him. I think it's a double bus, I think debears was instructed in scum QT to use his power so one of them could have a chance for staying in the game longer. I think they fumbled it. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:46 Risen wrote: Ok so if I'm reading this all correctly, debears has lied about his power (it sure as hell wasn't within 12 hours if that's true) and has super shady reasoning behind his use of the power? I'm going to laugh when they're double scum and OO is lying about his power. He flips red, doesn't have the dayvig, debears gets credit (but as is being shown in thread discussion right now if debears was being truthful about his reasoning for choosing OO there's a fairly large gap). OR OO comes into thread with about 6 hours left and says "I was lying, I didn't expect you guys to lynch me so I claimed dayvig. Debears isn't actually dying. Then shitstorm ensues and someone gets lynched. I would have immediately swapped back to debears had OO claimed this prior to me thinking about the double bus, and I don't think I'm alone. Then, even with OO flip (if he's red) debears still gets cleared somewhat, except we now have some seriously faulty reasoning coming from him. I think it's a double bus, I think debears was instructed in scum QT to use his power so one of them could have a chance for staying in the game longer. I think they fumbled it. Dude I wish this was I double scum powerplay. Would be epicccccccccccccccccc. Havne't been part of one yet  | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote: debears, can you explain what happened to your geript read? The start of d2 you're willing to martyr yourself to kill geript, but your vote never ends up on him and instead you voted hassy at some point without reasons. it was double lynch and geript was leading anyways. So I voted for hassy, seeing as I also found him scummy for his constant mention of not trusting his "other half" early in the game and relative lack of scumhunting | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:31 debears wrote: This is your power, right? You have a role PM that says "This is your power."? Like, it has words that will tell you?Also, I had to use my power within 12 hours of lynch (or something like that). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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