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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:40 GMT
#2760
On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1?


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:47 GMT
#2768
On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1?


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.


The switch was 6 minutes before the end..

I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all.

In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice?


Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched.
I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#2770
On September 04 2013 09:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
no, ill put this to rest right now and let you know that I changed the fate. By keeping hassy around I also added +3 fate


Wow that's unfortunate.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:52 GMT
#2777
On September 04 2013 09:50 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched.
I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around.


Think about it calmly for a second.

1) I managed to correct my read on geript, and thus changed my vote off from him. Geript flips town.

2) I voted for Alakaslam instead, who you believe to be scum.

I'm all for people doubting me if I make questionable actions, but in my opinion this was a very pro-town move, and a correct choice I ended making.


Let me counter that by saying: It's a pro town move that didn't change anything. It LOOKS like a move to look better.
See where I'm coming from?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:52 GMT
#2780
On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1?


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.


The switch was 6 minutes before the end..

I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all.

In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice?


Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched.
I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around.

please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this.


What??
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 00:54 GMT
#2784
On September 04 2013 09:53 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:52 Risen wrote:
Vayne why did you send in the action to change fate?


He did it to keep Hassy's ghost around.
Ironically, Hassy wouldn't have died if he didn't do that.

... yeah.


No way scum would know this though. 100% town move from vayne.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 01:01 GMT
#2789
Didn't fate have to be +5 for ve to kill the person with circle?

Meh, it's 3 am I'm gonna go to bed. Vote analysis coming but I stand by the fact that a vast majority of people on slam are likely town. I dunno why hiro is calling slam town, if you have a check you should share it hiro.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 18:03 GMT
#2915
On September 05 2013 03:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 02:59 Risen wrote:
As far as the QT goes, as long as everyone knows who is who in there, it's just providing more opportunities for people to scum slip with knowledge they aren't supposed to have.

For example, I must have missed it, but wtf happened with the Hiro/Yi thing?

Read Onegu his log and trow your hands in the air in disbelief.


Lol.

@ cheese and koshi, I expect to die tonight, working on a deathpost. God this game is long and there's a lot of useless in it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 18:03 GMT
#2916
Hassy, would like a long list of your reads as well before night ends please. <3
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 18:12 GMT
#2919
On September 05 2013 03:09 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 03:00 Koshi wrote:
On September 05 2013 02:59 Risen wrote:
As far as the QT goes, as long as everyone knows who is who in there, it's just providing more opportunities for people to scum slip with knowledge they aren't supposed to have.

For example, I must have missed it, but wtf happened with the Hiro/Yi thing?

Read Onegu his log and trow your hands in the air in disbelief.

Okay wait what do you mean by this? Onegu hasn't said anything that would explain or resolve the hiropro thing.


I think that's koshi's point. People putting so much cred in an anonymous claimed third party is ridiculous.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 18:49 GMT
#2930
On September 05 2013 03:43 Stutters695 wrote:
And for clarity, the cop claim isn't by a third party. The role name is from the 3p


Oh right they were seperate... I think I'm just gonna ignore everything that comes outta BM until we get something concrete though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 19:01 GMT
#2935
Why is everyone talking about bunnies?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 19:16 GMT
#2939
Smart conclusions are coming before resolution period.
I just spent entirety of d2 trying to get slam lynched and it still didn't fucking happen.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 23:02 GMT
#2954
Pretty decent chance I'm dying tonight. If I do I expect you guys to finish the job and lynch Slam.

VisceraEyes: Pretty much confirmed 3p. Scum is winning so he's probably playing with that in mind but he's claiming he's playing for a town win. Not a good lynch either way.

Alakaslam: Seriously guys. How the fuck did we not lynch him last night?!? This guy is scum. He started d1 with an anti-town item, which he used to screw with a town plan. He has done no scumhunting and his "final will" was a bunch of useless townreads.
debears: So much scum. He just doesn't care this game, and town debears cares. Like, a lot. He flipped 3p survivor in Desert and has 1000% effort in that compared to this. His martyr post is a cheap grab for towncred since no one is dumb enough to say yes to that plan, and debears knows it.
randombum: Scum. Lack of posting but not a lurker. His Risen vote close to lynch and interaction with me makes me more confident in this read.
MrZentor: Obviously I was wrong about the scumslip, geript flipped town. That said, the only reason I dropped my pressure on him was because of Cephiro's "I have my reasons to believe zentor is town" which I'm putting less and less weight behind. Reread my case on him please. Notice how little he does the moment the pressure on him is gone.

Oatsmaster: Just a very weak performance so far. He got mislynched in Desert for the same reason so I'm not THAT confident in this. The biggest red flag is his scumread on me, with the only explanation "that he's putting forth" being that I wanted someone lynched more than geript. He implied he had other reasons but he's never mentioned me again.

Shiaopi + WoS: They have townreads on eachother because they're masoned so I'm just putting them here together. I thought shiaopi was scum n1 but I expect if WoS is town he'd have him figured out by now. Just gotta wait for one of them to flip I guess?

HiroPro: townread on slam?? I really didn't like his lynch on d2 and just based on the people that were trying to get hiro lynched I want to keep him alive. Having a hard time getting a concrete read on the guy, though.

Austin: Probably closest to scumread out of my null read list. A "silent" vote on slam is suspect as fuck but then again it was on slam. Need an explanation out of him.

Cephiro: No idea anymore. His Oats tunnel accomplished nothing, nor did it look like he was TRYING to accomplish anything with it. His "Oats/vayne/rayn are scum!" suggests he's not really reading the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have a scumread on vayne, let alone rayn (pokemon.) I read him as town for most of d1/n1 but I'm second guessing myself. Good cop target. His last second vote switch is so weird to me, but explanation made sense. Also scum or delusional for claiming scum will shoot him tonight, if he gets shot I dunno what the fuck to think.

Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more.

Felkyr: His opening post was pretty bad, but after people prodded him he came in with some clear effort which is more likely town. His vote on hassy was weird, but I guess it's just a newbie mistake.

Cheesecake: Ditto
AxleGreaser: His d1 "these guys, please vote for me" is pretty damn town. Despite of what I remember from Axle's newbies, he is quite legible and I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says. Him not wanting to lynch slam is weird but not damning.
Kitaman: He unflipped VE and despite hassy likely being town (we'll know soon) I still think there's no reason for scum to do this.
Vayne: weird ass claim timing but I liked him a lot the second half of d2. The ability that he used on hassy was also very pro-town.
Koshi: Town. That is all.
raynpelikoneet: Pokemon. Would love it if he did more though.
cakepie: Was actually going to put this guy as null/scum but after re-reading him, especially his day 1, he looks pretty town. The only suspect thing is his day 1 slam policy lynch, yet refusal to lynch slam over geript d2.

lurker vig list:
Coagulation
OO

fuck knows list:
Onegu (very unlikely scum but could easily be 3p)
strongandbig (although I guess I like this post.)

Everyone else: Didn't stand out, remembered nothing of them.

Some random vote analysis that might not hold up:
Alakaslam (8): Koshi, Clarity_nl, Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Risen, Hassybaby, austinmcc, Cephiro

Slam wagon was full of win. I'm obviously not certain on everyone marked as green but this really was the wagon of justice.

geript (8): raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, cakepie, WaveofShadow, randombum, Stutters695, Oatsmaster, MrZentor

geript wagon was full of whatever.

Hassybaby (8): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro

Hassy wagon was full of fail/scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 04 2013 23:03 GMT
#2956
kosh: town
cheese: ditto

Dunno when I changed order
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 00:20 GMT
#2958
Holy shit
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 00:23 GMT
#2961
Wrong thread apparently, WoS.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 00:26 GMT
#2964
Dearest Coagulation:

You've got the words to change a nation
But you're biting your tongue
You've spent a life time stuck in silence
Afraid you'll say something wrong
If no one ever hears it how we gonna learn your song?
So come, on come on
Come on, come on
You've got a heart as loud as lions
So why let your voice be tamed?
Baby we're a little different
There's no need to be ashamed
You've got the light to fight the shadows
So stop hiding it away
Come on, Come on

PS I've been told that there are people with greymist points who can give them to me, and I love greymist points.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 00:32 GMT
#2967
##Vote Alakaslam

It seems koshi only won when black mesa was dead, so it makes sense only he had that wincon.

Now bed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#2968
Oh, WoS is right, multiple people in BM could have had that wincon.

Alright now bed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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