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On September 10 2013 01:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Rayn, why is Axle almost certainly town. I am not sure of it any more because of the QT shenanigans. Apparently WoS has tried to talk there and Axle has not? I don't see your rational pre-QT shenanigans. I read him as completely 'Axle does what he wants' wildcard.
I have not posted yet.. I can any time I like, but i do have read access to the entire log from when QT opened.
answers to questions I just posted in the QT
42 (6x7)
Anything it wants. (what do you give a 500lb canary with a machine gun?)
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On September 10 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Got cut.
Okay so, Axle is saying WoS has been lying in thread about what has been talked about in the QT, correct?
WoS did not actually know Axle has even been in the QT, correct?
Yep lying is a challenging word.
it is now up to the thread to gauge what I posted above.
WOS bent stuff a bit to make him look better
the way he described Shiaopi volouteering information about the role makes it look in this thread like Shiaopi trusted him enough to just offer the information.
The truth is WOS asked. Got told about 4 mason and 1shot KP.
Then asked specifically again if the KP was only on mason members.
At that point Shiaopi did lie and say it was normal KP.
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On September 10 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What does all this QT shit have to do with alignment anyway?
WOS a possible towny or a possible Scum. Lying about what another flipped towny said in the QT.
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Why I started the Lynch case.
The reads in my Vote to Lynch post.
The posting during the today when i asked him about the QT, didnt feel right to me.
It looks like hes doing anything to end the conversation
That he then lies about Shiaopis reward on me and and how he got the information about Shiapis role.
it all feels rather non townie to me.
Thats why I voted.
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On September 10 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:39 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 10 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Got cut.
Okay so, Axle is saying WoS has been lying in thread about what has been talked about in the QT, correct?
WoS did not actually know Axle has even been in the QT, correct? Yep lying is a challenging word. it is now up to the thread to gauge what I posted above. WOS bent stuff a bit to make him look better the way he described Shiaopi volouteering information about the role makes it look in this thread like Shiaopi trusted him enough to just offer the information. The truth is WOS asked. Got told about 4 mason and 1shot KP. Then asked specifically again if the KP was only on mason members. At that point Shiaopi did lie and say it was normal KP. Alright let me ask you something. Even if you are right and I did lie about the fact that I asked Shiao, rather than in being a semantics issue, how does that make me scum exactly? The point is, he gave me tons of info on him before I gave him ANYTHING on me, or answered any of his questions, which is what gave me the townread on him. Why am I scum because of that, Axle?
Cause and effect happens the pother way around.
Because you are scum then you lie.
or but not in your case Because you are town you don't.
How bad would it be if I lied about what you said in the QT?
I haven't, but I could and I would probably get away with it this once.
If you are town and you have lied about that QT then from now on when you are town I wont believe you.
Lieing about what was in that QT is really bad move as town.
I want to lynch you, for the lie and because I don't think your silly enough to have lied as town.
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On September 10 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Here is my 6th post in the QT: Here is my 9th Show nested quote +
Yes, but I won't be for much longe.
You're welcome to answer any of the questions I asked you.
the 7th and 8th were Shiao asking me if I was around. We missed each other a lot as our times were apparently very different. (WANT TO CONFIRM THAT TOO AXLE?) Shiao then gave me all the role info like Axl said, minus the fact that KP could only be used on masoned people. Shiao did not ask me any questions before this point.
I wan to check if we can quote this QT as you just have...
The giving you the role info was when you asked.
Then you asked again If the KP can only be used on those you have in mason chat.
This is different to him volunteering info.
Also see the distinction between your representation of his read on me and the truth which is he said he had a solid town read.
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On September 10 2013 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Axle, what the hell?
Why are you not trying to find out if WoS is scum in the QT?
Also why do you bring this up only now?
What have your night actions been throughout the game?
I still have access to the QT. We can still use it.
All i have effectviely done is what WOS did and claim I am now in a mason with WOS and can see the old log between him and Shiaopi.
As well as whatever benefit if any that is to town. I also tested to see if WOS would be truthful about what was in the QT.
I have then as accurately as I am able presented what WOS said and what was actually in the QT so as you can make your own judgement.
Do you have something more pro town I could have done?
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On September 10 2013 01:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh for fuck sakes.
Fine better for me to claim now than later. You'd better force some shit out of Axle though for this.
I'm Edward Elric the Fullmetal Alchemist.
3P survivor.
Does that fit with all of the theories people have about me now?
All except the one where I wondered why Shiaopi was such a priority as to get a role Block one night and KP the next.
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On September 10 2013 02:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Axle, explain exactly what your role does. Name and all.
Why?
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it really would be best to Lynch someone esle
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was leeping is the best I have got.
and as AFr as i know is best I dont claim tonight
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Belated  brought to you by FTL travel inc. GG HF all.
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On September 11 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok some random questions/comment:
What was up with Black Mesa?
WHO THE FUCK WAS YI
Is 8-man scumteam and that many 3P really balanced? ( I assume it is given town roles but jeez)
Town and scum each having basically a 6-shot vet? Wat?
I don't think my body was quite ready for the chaos that happens in an Aperture game. (Speaking of Chaos...what was that? Was it used?)
Also, I find anger works really really well for me. No hard feelings Axle? I didn't mean any of it, I swear! :D
Any of what?
I have not seen you post anything angry since the game ended?
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On September 11 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:49 austinmcc wrote:
Axle did MORE than just tunnel WoS.
Axle was the towniest poster at the end of D3. Risen was arguing for scum doublebus, hiro was part-arguing for that as well, Axle was just kind of sensibly pointing some stuff out and posting not in his usual style (at least as I remember the end of that day going).
He was maybe doing some voting plan D1, occasionally questioning people, everyone seemed to forget about the rest of the game whenever anyone did a single noticeable thing. I had Axle as megatown real early on. I don't know why people had such a huge issue with his posting in this game. I found him WAYYY more readable than usual. (Again maybe contrasting him with Alakaslam in my mind worked in his favour.) I think I forgot my own read of him when he pulled his shit on me yesterday though because it was such scum Axle. Oh man where is fuba? I know he replaced out but this would have been 3/3 won games for us!
At best (your experience of)
Scum Axle is when I tunnel you, but you are town?
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On September 11 2013 16:08 yamato77 wrote:
when I am one of the best N1 shots and I'm barely reading the thread, you know this town was fucked.
Ironically, later on, it became obvious to me that the Clarity I thought worthy of my protection N1 was actually mafia because he was not only alive, but also entirely useless.
A problem you would have faced in the thread, was how would you have gone about getting clarity Lynched.
Some time ago in game I played someone pointed out that knowing who was scum is all well and good if you simply cant get town to believe you and lynch them, its pointless.
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On September 11 2013 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. It should never have gotten to the point where axle was forced to claim or get lynched. He was pretty clearly town. Yeah, him just afking looked bad but you have to consider the possibility that he's actually just not around.
Playing for a significant fraction of 48 hrs of a game day then getting lynched when I am either not there, and people seemingly being oblivious to the time zone I live in where it is between 3AM and 10AM my time so if I have been awake for the 5 hrs before 3am I might currently be ..... I used to just accept that my time zone was something I would need to keep pointing out but then later when I read my own games back, doing so (frequently explaining why you are or are not in the thread) reads as scummy, so I stopped doing that.
But yeah currently I am having a hard time seeing how I can ever decide to divert that fraction of my RL time to a game to then get lynched for not spending effectively every hour out of 48 in the game.
It has taken me a while to piece together what I did real early D1, as I was so tired from driving 1400km home and I wrote very little of my role speculations down. However as I piece it together. It was really early D1 when I decided my role looked like it had a catch.
It looked like it could heal a lot of people...(awesome), but, In practice it couldn't do almost anything, + Show Spoiler +If I played scummy enough (low hanging fruit scummy) to get just a few votes in a contested lynch they would most likely be by the people I thought least likely to be town/most likely to be mafia and especially most likely not to be Nk'd shot as scum would know they were voting for a towny, hence wrong about their reads. Hell I was doctor most likely to be able to save the good vig shots.
It was effectively almost a VT with claimable name.+ Show Spoiler + There existed potentially end game changing scenarios + Show Spoiler +in which in some game changing role madness thing where everybody votes as directed or gets lynched kinda BS, where large swags of stuff could be done (but only for one cycle as I was also unprotectable). As playing mafia on TL is like herding cats, that was unlikely to happen, and also not the game I wanted to play.
So Yep my early D1 conclusion, I had an effective VT. + Show Spoiler +I am really rather pleased with myself that i managed to think of my D1 shenanigan.
The trouble with claiming was if I explained the role mechanics, then I presumed scum really ought have some counter power.
(while in D1 I didn't know what the counter might be...)
Clarity's : (-2) Invert target player’s role for the current night. .... <<<fits the ticket nicely.
Would have turned the Doctor that is Awesome and doesn't suck into a mass murderer any night scum:Clarity chose and had the greymist points.
So yeah given the actual roles and powers that existed in the game, me deciding D1 that unless I was given a very good reason to claim, then I just never would turns out to be about right. I also decided D1 that as I am really bad at either doing or guessing how much time is required to shenanigan a lynch, I would never last minute claim. When I went to sleep, my best guess was no one would meet my criteria "given a very good reason to claim" and I really did think town really could not reasonably lynch me... especially if I might actually be asleep. Thus the best chance town had to use my power was to never claim.
At that time(when I went to sleep) I had no idea how dead in the water town were, (that is a lot of scum, omn the basis of balance I had assumed scum had few extra 1shot nks, not a few extra players.) the option of me getting lynched also seemed pretty good for town, as I reckoned any scum that really wanted to lynch me that day would only have total BS reasons for doing so(and they did). If had been awake and seen Hiro was the counter wagon that would have distressed me rather a lot as even though he fitted my criteria for when people voted D1, his filter read town to me.
But well apparently town had in the previous 48 hrs when I had been tracking down that WOS was not town aligned had developed no better plan than to lynch someone because they wont do what we say. (Claim) meh.
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On September 12 2013 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey you know, it's just one of those things. Whether because I'm annoying or right, I'm a favorite early NK.
I offered to protect you 3 N1, for two reasons.
I hoped something might fall out of a non towns willingness to go along with the plan. It was i believe harder for both VE and Clarity to reach the decision to go with my plan than BH.
The logic for you three apart from the advertised, you wouldn't wreck the lynch (make it a no lynch... and try to claim ooops)
was also that you three (two if Geript really did it) were if town, you were good scum nks D1.
It is also fun (but not necessarily useful) the order in which BH Clarity and VE swapped to vote me at the end of D1.
bearing in mind how much self preservation matches each alignment and hence how complex the decision was for each.
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On September 13 2013 10:24 gonzaw wrote:
It's kind of funny.
On Aperture 1, I was town, you didn't play, I won.
On Aperture 2, I was town, you were scum, we both won (mindfuck right here).
On Aperture 3, I didn't play, you were scum, you won.
So...what will happen on Aperture 4? You are scum, I am town, we both lose? The circle must be completed...
EDIT: Or: I don't play, you don't play, we both win (somehow).
Yeah, that's it!
You already did http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17456622
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