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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:19 GMT
#1060
We also have 1 blue, if it was a jailkeeper or cop they 100% would have blocked deus or checked him last night. Since we haven't heard from them that means deus is safe for now. Most likely we have a doctor and he has been missing who to save each night though. I think I know who the doctor is but that is irrelevant for now. Seeing as I am town and the person I think is blue is blue then that only leaves you on my suspicious list.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:20 GMT
#1061
On August 22 2013 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
We voted slam so close to the deadline - they had no time to react and even if they had it would not have been enough because it would be slam - deus 3-3 with slam getting the votes first. Or did I make a mistake somewhere?


There is no way both scum would vote lone knowing that either slam or deus would get lynched that day.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:29 GMT
#1064
Speculation is 100% what we need to do. It determines whether we can mislynch today or not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:29 GMT
#1065
and yes

Congratulations, you are FXOLeenock, the Town Jailkeeper! Once per night, you can play a long macro game with another player, forcing them to stay at the GSL studio all night. While this roleblocks them, it also protects them from 1 KP. You win with the eSF players!



quoted from front page, it does block
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:34 GMT
#1068
the 2nd mislynch would be game over
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:35 GMT
#1070
there are 4 town, 1 scum left.

I know I'm town, and I'm pretty sure you are town. If there is a cop he would have checked someone other than us 2 because we were on the slam lynch aka deus, omni or ivlosk. If he reveals that he got a town check on one of them then that's 4 confirmed people (or 3 if you are blue jat) and then we easy lynch off the 2 or 1 remaining. Since we can afford a mislynch.

Jailkeeper would be much the same reasoning as cop for revealing.

Doctor on the other hand, there's not much point theorising about that, he saves someone or he doesn't.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:36 GMT
#1071
and roleblocking should block scum....?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:38 GMT
#1073
On August 22 2013 04:34 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
But lone is dead and you are not.


literally doesn't address a single thing I just said. Yes I haven't played perfectly this game but not playing perfectly =/= being scum. My actions don't make sense from a scum point of view either, as I said read through my filter, I've been contributing all game long, pushing my reads, and I sure as hell didn't KNOW Slam would flip scum, my #1 read was Deus, #2 Slam. Why do you act like you knew Slam would flip scum while only acting on hindsight? It's stupid. Only Scum would know Slam was going to flip Scum, I don't know if you figured that out yet though. You were literally on the Deus bus pushing hard till Slam's 2nd extremely scummy vote and then bailed asap. Scum would know Slam would eventually get caught and lynched for how he was playing and would be ready to bus him to get town cred. You make it sound like I was trying to keep Slam alive without bussing him on top of all this. Scum wouldn't rely on having both players make it to the end game.

You're whole point that Slam doesn't mention me very much applies to a lot of people, that's how he was playing, as I said you literally can't find Lone anywhere in his filter, his conversations with LosK are completely pointless, and he straight up avoids answering my questions directed at him during D2.




On August 19 2013 03:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
I agree with your reasoning itself, Omni. Deus and Alakaslam look quite scummy with their voting behaviour.
I am not so sure about IVLosk being town - I don't think his careless posting is enough to give him a town read especially because he is a veteran mafia player.
You raise some interesting points about HolyFlare. I will read him again (he was null to me before your case).


please by all means pick my case apart as well, I wasn't able to say this because I was so late in joining this game but I believe not only does Koshi's death prove he was on the right track, but that in order to correctly pick the scum off the Xzavier lynch we need to go through each others cases and almost play devils advocate on how certain points might be considered town rather than scum.

Admittedly at least in my case I find it very difficult to find town motivation behind a players actions after I think they are scum.

I'll have to take another look at LosK then as well. He's messing around a lot which makes it very difficult for me to read him. I just don't think scum would be so openly ballsy as he is being lol




Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:40 GMT
#1076
I'm saying I'm playing devils advocate like you asked.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:44 GMT
#1078
entertain other notions and put out theories that I do not necessarily agree with, I'm not sure you understand what it means to be honest
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:45 GMT
#1079
On August 22 2013 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
and roleblocking should block scum....?

Roleblocking blocks roles not necessarily KP. Scum had a role.


roleblocking blocks kp, any action that is submitted a roleblocker can block
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:57 GMT
#1082
Making an alternate argument to your deus and ivlosk tunneling is also a form of playing devils advocate so no, maybe you should fucking google before insinuating that I don't know how to speak my own language. Just because I quote a post where you say do that for peoples TOWN MOTIVES does not mean I can't do it for peoples scum motives. It is the opposite to what you said to do.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 19:58 GMT
#1083
You also shouldn't have a problem with me tunneling you if you are town, I wouldn't find anything to question you about and you would be clean from everyones suspicions. So why the hate? Is it because you ARE actually scum?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:05 GMT
#1085
The thing is you aren't defending yourself, I didn't say slam DIDN'T reference you, I'm saying he actively deflected from you. Of course if you were scum you would be trying to discredit everything I say anyway so what is the point of even discussing anything with you in the first place?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:09 GMT
#1086
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2013 03:21 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
I also made a better case against slam by the way, you didn't change then either


there's a big difference between you making your defense while I was voting on you, then JAT making his case, followed up by my analyzing of Deus's posts and Deus continuing to act like scum, trying to blame everybody else, and then you making .......... oh wait you didn't make a case on slam..... what are you talking about? The case you made on Deus after JAT and I had already covered everything and then your jump onto Slam with no reasoning behind it?

Wait hold on... where is this case on Slam or even mention of him that you are talking about... You were on the Deus wagon the entire time up to the lynch and then the only thing you say is

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:52 Holyflare wrote:
sorry

##Unvote
##Vote Alakaslam


you were actually literally attacking Deus the post before that while still on his lynch wagon. You made one mention of maybe lynching Slam because Deus was trying to defend himself and that's it. one sentence. Was that your case?




In response to that crapy deflection you are trying to do. Deus actively defended himself for over an hour+, Slam cracked after the first case I made for him, it was an obvious switch to make.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:10 GMT
#1087
He also tunneled people the last game I played with him and he's doing the same thing in this game now. There is no where his scum buddy would let him tunnel JAT so aggressively all day.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:10 GMT
#1088
EBWOP: way
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:21 GMT
#1093
I just said he actively deflected from you...?

Have you read those 3 pages? Obviously not. Do you remember why the case was 36 hours ago and I bring it up again? Obviously not.

SLAM WAS AWAY FOR HALF OF DAY 2. HIS "3 pages of filter afterwards" are all saying: "holys case sums me up", "i am annoyed now" "i believe losk unvote deus vote lone"

if are seriously using that as an excuse then just lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:32 GMT
#1097
Are you just intentionally playing dumb?!?!?!?!?!? You said my case was 36 hours ago and I'm saying it doesn't matter because slam only came back within 24 hours and THEN WHEN HE READ IT HE FELL APART... what are you not understanding here?

Like what the actual shit. I am taking credit for revealing slam as the scum and not deus and actively trying to vote him off after I liked deus' defending.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 21 2013 20:33 GMT
#1099
On August 22 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 05:28 OmniEulogy wrote:
So... because Slam said he had to leave and couldn't play for that day you take credit for.... taking his computer away then? Are you using his inability to post as your reason??? just lol is right.

Anyway JAT who in their right mind would vote on Xzavier D1 in the first place? This is the type of shit that is 1 scum did it, especially in the way Slam did it, there is probably another one on Xzavier. Slam had no reason to last minute jump onto Xzavier if he wasn't following some sort of weird plan imo.

Exactly. But the only real plan I can see there is saving iV.



Slam was agreeing with iv all day 1 and calling him town, if he switched off of iv and eventually revealed scum it would be obvious implications for iv. Hence all are accusations have been wasted calling iv scum with slam when really we should be looking elsewhere.
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