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On August 09 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote: /out | ||
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/in /in /in /in /in /in /in /in /in | ||
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On August 11 2013 12:36 AxleGreaser wrote: I know it might be really subtle tell/connection but is player 11 a smurf or a doppelganger? 1 shot unlynchable/bulletproof? Why isn't this guy /in? | ||
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Fonz replaced into my first game over on MafiaScum. Cool guy. | ||
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I don't have the mental fortitude to handle a GreYMisT game right now. No offense GreY, your setups just have a tendency to blow minds. | ||
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START IT | ||
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MZ IGNORE WAVE START GAME | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh for fuck sakes I only played in golden sun because I figured this wouldn't start for a while. Shit activity likely. Preemptively excusing shitty activity. Scumclaim coming from Wave imoimo | ||
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Still can't watch the Riot streams from XBox Twitch can I? | ||
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I hear it's casual friendly now and I'm like UBER casual these days. | ||
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On September 18 2013 04:23 Coagulation wrote: im gonna play this game without reading my role. I predict we will see no difference in your play. | ||
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On September 18 2013 05:38 Risen wrote: No worries VE, I'll roll scum and fight against your lynch tooth and nail for all that juicy town cred. I'm just hoping I roll third party so I have a chance at winning this one. XD | ||
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Attention Team Liquid Mafia Players! Kushmasta has uncovered a scumtell for VisceraEyes! Apparently, the only time VisceraEyes ever uses CAPS to EMPHASIZE words, is when VisceraEyes is actually nefarious scums! How accurate is this tell? For bonus points, why or why not? | ||
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But I agree with you OO his tell is retardedsauce dumped on top of a bullshit-burger. | ||
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On September 18 2013 07:40 iVLosK! wrote: VE still has nightmares about me and my ability to FUCK HIM UP This is false, my nightmares are mostly about falling. Or exploding. They have nothing to do with this man. | ||
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So...the ground I guess? | ||
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Wave I knew I liked you. Stick around sir. e: not that I agree or disagree - I just loved the vocabulary. I think DP is the bee's knees. | ||
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On September 19 2013 10:43 hiro protagonist wrote: Ahhh, I wish I could play... alas, life to busy. gl hf You keep taunting me by showing up and NOT playing. My life is busy too ya know. *dustkick* | ||
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On September 19 2013 13:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: life shit has come up /out Nooooooooooooooo.... ......oooooooooooooooo! | ||
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Everyone who has posted is in my CIRCLE OF TRUST. I am approximately 86% sure that everyone who has posted above me is town, INCLUDING anyone who's posted between the time of writing this and the time of posting it. So yous guys - you're gonna help me find scum amongst e'rybudy else. Are you ready? | ||
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I think rayn's vote on me is retarded because it's 100% idiotic. That's my defense. Suck it. | ||
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So DarthPunk you lightly gave assent to lynch me, then lightly backpedaled. Do you think there's any merit to rayn's "case" or don't you? Is my first post "so like...100%" scum? | ||
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M'kay. ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
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Start saying things that I agree with your you can die. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:03 DarthPunk wrote: Please create some sort of case, which includes some sort of evidence. You mentioned meta so link some old games of mine. Until then go away plz. This is more like something I can agree with. The post you quoted here is extremely suspicious to me. He's trying to fabricate suspicion on you THROUGH me. Why not point to the post himself? Explain his own thoughts? | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. Well, you'll do what a majority of the town wants you to do. Unless you do something I like, I'm going to try and convince them that you should hang...instead of whatever it is you wanted to do...which is nothing, apparently. | ||
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geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it. He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me. As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. | ||
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At first, geript was content to nudge me in that direction and then AFK. He literally said he was going to AFK until Sunday Mocsta, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. But you wouldn't know because you're refusing to read the fucking game. Now: I wasn't even going to entertain your defense of him Mocsta, but you're twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way: you're reaching conclusions ADMITTEDLY without reading the thread. And you're trying to get people to look ELSEWHERE BASED ON IT, WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING THREAD. Chrust | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote: Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. 1) I'm not talking about DP I'm talking about geript. I'm not a narcissist, I'm just pointing out that OH WAIT LOOKIE HERE On September 21 2013 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. HE DID MENTION ME GOSH GOLLY GEE!!! 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. 3) See the previous 2 points. You're literally opting out of reading the thread, yet are calling my and DP's suspicion of geript bullshit and trying to get the thread to look elsewhere. You're now IN ADDITION trying to contort my own words to suit your own interpretation of them. This is all in the thread and I have to explain nothing, because it's what you're doing. Twice in this post you've said I'm saying things that I'm not. Twice in this one post Mocsta. | ||
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Srs though plz just make some time to read everything that's happened. Put emphasis on geript, the timing of how it all went down. Now: in response to your Pandain push, I'll certainly read what he has to say when he comes back. Is it weird that he hasn't posted since pregame? Yes. Is it damning? Absolutely not. No matter what he says when he comes back, it will tell us more about his alignment than the fact that he hasn't posted yet now. | ||
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Ninight guys. | ||
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Anyway I'm awake and have read. I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone has of me. In the meantime, I'm pondering and still awaiting those who haven't joined us to chime in. | ||
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I could feasibly lynch LM from his filter but I'm gonna ng to read him in context when I get back to a computer. | ||
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convince me Yam. Mocsta jerry regardless of alignment. Why scum this game? | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:59 geript wrote: Nah he's townie because of MocLogic from post 2. If you tell him his tell he exploits it in future as scum, noob. | ||
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Just the one then? Or will the previous few have him in them? | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post. It would help if I knew what you were referring to. Do you mean the referreeing? Or the defending geript? Or what? It looks like a pretty standard nullish interjection while catching up to me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion. Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later. I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:51 ObviousOne wrote: Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read. They're italicized rather than capitalized OO. You're safe. Or are you? | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:53 ObviousOne wrote: It's debatable. I have a fever. Things are warped slightly. Please make Pandain piss in someone else's cheerios. Give me your thoughts on CC? I have a hard time reading CC because he so damn sexy. He's at least contributing, and I think that's enough to not kill him today...much like Mocsta before him. Leaning town until he does something I really don't like. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote: I do wish people wouldn't randomly go after coag btw. Makes it hard to get a read on people doing so. Why go after coag when people KNOW he's going to be at least some form of useless, especially on Day 1? Are the people pursuing him really able to say "this is NOT town coag on day 1"? If not, why is the vote on coag, or why is coag on the shit-list other than for being useless? He invites it by being unrepentant about it regardless of alignment. Haters gon' hate. | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote: Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave. As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me. RE: VisceraEyes Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on. RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true." This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons. ##Vote: Chairman Ray This is the thing I don't get about this post. He goes to some lengths to KINDA explain his reads on most everyone he mentions....except the person he's voting for. As if he doesn't want people to vote for the person he's voting for, rather one of the other people he called scum in this post (myself, DP for example). What's the town motivation for doing this and then disappearing? Why does he not care about getting his strongest read (in this case Chairman Ray apparently) lynched? Why not explain why he's voting for Chairman Ray rather than just say "Oh it should be obvious"? Yeah I'm voting Yamato. For the town. ##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not lynch Koshi instead? Koshi has said absolutely nothing in this game besides having two scumreads for shitty reasons and he has retracted from both of them with no reasons.. Well frankly because I can see a town Koshi doing that same thing. That's not alignment indicative to me. Yamato would/should be pushing for his strongest scum lynch right now and he's not and I do NOT expect a town yamato to do that same thing. | ||
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If I'm pretty clearly townie, and you think scum are trying to set up a VE lynch behind the scenes, then why aren't you voting for Yamato? | ||
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I'll do this later. Procrastination ftw. ^^ | ||
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##Unvote 60 pages, ~3 hours. No biggie. BBL homies. Smooches. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:52 yamato77 wrote: Is that why you voted yourself? So depressed you decided to commit suicide in your mafia game? I can give you counseling, bro. No I knew I wouldn't get lynched. I just didn't want to get modkilled. Anyway I'll put something worthwhile in this thread before I die. Don't you worry. | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:06 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah....,. I am just about done with this game. Don't you may be the only person who doesn't wanna kill me and I need at least one person | ||
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Anyway, I'll be reading the thread and I'll let you guys know what I think before dawn, no matter what happens. In the meantime I'll be going to sleep. Ninight town. I love you town. | ||
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2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. | ||
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Coag is mostly a gut feeling. I feel like I'd be further up on his scum list if he were town - I haven't done a whole lot this game and it's raising a lot of peoples' hackles, but not Coag's. gumshoe is the lurkiest lurker. I feel like scum are lurking, and no one is drawing attention to gumshoe like at all. This is suspicious to me, but it's also not conclusive. Again, mostly feels. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so what differentiates gumshoe from Xzavier, Onegu and Zenatsu? Well strictly speaking, nothing...but I feel like I've seen those three names brought by others up more. I might be misremembering, or remembering Xz and Onegu from playing with them before maybe, but that's my reasoning. Again, that read is mostly gut and hard to explain. I don't expect you to like it, only acknowledge it and take it into account if/when I flip. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Thank you. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. | ||
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Before you ask, I haven't like cross-referenced the people I've marked as red and found that they haven't mentioned gumshoe or anything, this is all strictly from my memory of the thread from reading it as it's gone along. NOT based on evidence I've found or connections I've drawn between specific players. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time. I just don't know why. You've seen towns devour themselves on this site as much as I have recently. Why is that so hard for you to believe? | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: Don't like that VE list. No I don't. Then kill me bbygrl. I wouldn't mind being spared of reading this mess | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for as towns devouring themselves in recent games...it's basically EVERY game. I have no faith in TL towns any more and having not played town for an extended period of time in a game for a while, I am attempting to do my part in making up for it. The thing is, though, TL towns haven't been only devouring themselves due to terrible townplay (those it is a primary factor). I don't think I've seen a scumteam in the recent string of wins who hasn't deserved to win in any degree, and that to me would be what you are suggesting with your list. No it's not? In what way? I'm not saying it's through concerted effort or by design that they're probably lurking - only that they don't have to. If they don't have to play, why would they? | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:01 marvellosity wrote: Why are you playing like this? Where's your ... va-va-voom this game, sweetheart? You don't suit the woe-betide me. If we're being completely, brutally honest here, I'm in a slump in general with regard to Mafia. My confidence in myself and my reads is shot and I'm not the town-leading role-claiming madman I once was. But yeah, I'd say that regardless of alignment in this spot, so I'm not sure what you're asking me that question for. | ||
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If I were scum, I'd be loudly arguing with anyone calling me scum in an attempt to look emotionally invested for your benefit (if you're town, which I think you are). Whether you like that I point this out now or not, you know the truth in that statement. | ||
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Anyway, enough about my meta. Talk to me about who's scum. Like, what do you think about Mattchew? Mocsta seems to have no problem with his weak +1 to my suspicion. What about you? | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Here I'll give you a useless bit of self meta to chew on. I know Risen. Thanks for the contribution. | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:52 Coagulation wrote: general thread sentiment seems to point at lonemeow but I dont like that shot much. Anything specific? | ||
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On September 24 2013 06:34 Zaragon wrote: With FT, at first I had a genuine vibe from him, a distracted town catching up and giving decent points along the way. I found them similar to mine at that point. After he disappeared and came back into the game (again) I didn't get a "town catching up" vibe, I got a scum "I have to make myself look townier, quick, something" vibe. When someone tries to make a case on me based on "fluff" and also votes Chairman Ray very late, obviously from my point of view they look very scummy. That gives VE some good circumstances to drop from my scummiest reads--which would give me a better context read on FT since part of my town read on FT was how he read VE--but I don't know what to make of VE's posts now. There is no drive in those posts, town or scum. VE what are your specific thoughts about FT? I agree with you regarding how he returned (the second time) to the thread. I'd add that the first time he came back (and was "pointing things out as he was reading") I didn't feel the posts to be super genuine. Like, the placemarkers at the beginning (Pg 33, ect) felt more like he was trying to put out the vibe that he was reading and catching up more than actually labeling the posts as he was reading. Like, they were mostly just questions about specific posts or comments about posts in general that he was labeling with page numbers...could he not have just left the page-numbers off and achieved the same thing? Something else I didn't like this post: On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. The thing about this post is this: look at the first line. "Finally got some decent reads." Now look at the rest of the post. Zero reads. Like, okay fine...but if he was town why would he dedicate this whole post to trying to direct vigs then leave out ALL of his reads? He comes back in later with a singular scumread, but what about this abomination? | ||
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However this is not conclusive and my own subjective opinion of how the voting panned out. | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote: Are you monumentally dumb? VE said "I know self-meta isn't relevant, but here's a little tidbit" then you spent a whole post explaining why self-meta isn't relevant. Brilliant, Risen. Your brilliance and intelligence is truly astounding. Agree/Disagree re: FT? | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote: I agree with everything really, including your reservations about the vote numbers. would be kinda lovely just to magically know his alignment ;p Well which do you find to be more likely? Right now I'm leaning scum...the page number'd posts things seems too contrived to come from a townie. Like...I'm town and I've been saying for like 3 hours that I'm catching up, but I've felt no desire to label what page I'm on. What's the point? | ||
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Anyway, like I said - I felt obliged to say it because I felt it and if you're scum I didn't want it to go unsaid. I still read you as town, it's just something I noticed. | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: kinda suspicious of you for dropping that randomly in there tbh VE. oh well. Honesty = Scummy. Noted. | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote: I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo Would you like some wish to go with your wash? | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:59 yamato77 wrote: 1) I probably have more content this game than anyone else 2) The posts he pointed out aren't even that bad he basically complained that I spammed a couple times, which is fucking stupid I get so fucking sick of hearing you say this. You say it every fucking game. No, you don't have more content than everyone else. I wouldn't go so far as to say you're even in the lower half of the game with regard to content, but there are PLENTY of people with more content in this thread than you. Get over yourself Yamato. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote: Find one person who has posted more meaningful content than me this game I will tear you apart in this argument, VE No you won't because I'm not having it with you. Just stop acting like everything you do is some kind of super pro-town play and anyone who doesn't realize it is a fucking moron. That's all I ask. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:04 Risen wrote: Fair enough. Point stands, though. I'm just pointing out something I think isn't pro-town. That isn't necessarily saying you two are scum shitting up the thread, it just says "Hey look at these two circle jerkin it over here. Isn't that weird? Why would town do this? If they're still alive after VA/FT are dead they deserve some hard looking into and this is a point against them." How about "Maybe they're town trying to get a read on the other because that particular read is of importance to them"? | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote: VE and marv, you guys have really carried on the spam while Australia is sleeping. Well done. Did you have anything you'd like to add? Maybe some reads or....something? Like, there's content in the VE/marv back and forth, you seem to be completely neglecting commenting on it - I'm trying to decide if it's scummy shit-flinging or retarded townie just trying to talk shit. I'm leaning retarded townie, but I'd really like some content to get a better idea. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote: Okay, voting for LoneMeow because: 1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of 2) He started martyring which is something I dislike 3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed 4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy 5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase How about 6) I think he's scum? None of the reasons have anything to do with finding or killing scum. I can't even understand why he thinks any of the reasons he gave excuse his off-voting in the first place. | ||
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And look at 3 and 4...why not give a quick look on "this FirmTofu guy"? If being a new player he has no idea of (Number 1) is a lynchable offense, why wouldn't FT fit the bill as well? | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote: marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime. im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list Research your own night-kills friend...I'll have no part in it. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:26 Blazinghand wrote: I can do this! I can do this! players who I have seen around a lot recently: DP rayn WoS Koshi (sort of) yamato Chairman Ray Pandain Coag Sent VE Geript VA Risen marv mattc of them, players I have seen play well in recent memory: rayn wos VE VA Risen Marv I know what you're doing you sly dog. If you could kindly tell me who you're doing it for, I would really appreciate it. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: in a shit ton of posts ft goes super in depth about his thought process. scum dont do that shit I disagree, fundamentally. If town do that, then scum do that to try and look town. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:31 Blazinghand wrote: I think you might be operating on a higher level than me. I made that post because I haven't caught up yet and it's something I can do. What am I doing? No I get ya. Trying to be "useful". Got it. *wink* Trying to "help out a fellow townie in need". *wink wink* | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:35 Blazinghand wrote: Well if you got any pointers for me on my re-read, let me know? No let it flow sir. I want your unbiased, objective opinion of the gamestate. Replacements are OP for town because of this, and I don't want to ruin it. | ||
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WHAT DID YOU SAY MATTCHEW?! SCUM WON LI MATTCHEW!! | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:42 Mattchew wrote: marv feels like hes playing with no fear of being shot... thats weird as hell Marv always plays like that because he always plays for medic protection regardless of alignment. It's why he hates the Weak Doctor role. What's weird about it? | ||
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Anyway, the question becomes: do you think he's scum or don't you? After saying it and then explaining the thought-process behind it, you never really gave me a conclusion. I find that WAY weirder than anything marv's doing. And by weird, I mean scummy. | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote: i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game wave should be medic'd DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch Mocsta is clearly town i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker this FT post is long but literally says nothing. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough Yeah, I'm not sure why I thought you were undecided or unsure about marv's alignment. :/ | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I really hate posts like this. DP does that shit all the time too. And marv. Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you. Well he's saying I'm town for shitty reasons. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:15 Mattchew wrote: or not, and you are just thinking very highly of yourself No I like my interpretation better. Not surprisingly. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias. I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say. BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not. Why do you ask, my dear? Because BH posted an even more useless list and has done far less than Cephiro. Yes, he's had less time, but I find it hard to believe that an entire night cycle passes in which he says nothing as town when he's known as a decent player. :/ I mean, I guess maybe my expectations could be too high for the guy, but I just have a hard time seeing town in BH's play so far. That being said I agree with you: between the two I'd say Ceph is a better Vig target, but ONLY because BH is replacing in and I love to hear the opinions of external viewpoints when trying to figure out the game. | ||
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Full read on Coag in 50 words or less. Go. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:57 geript wrote: Since we're narrowing down on the deadline... I think. I just wanted to be up front for realz. I'm not shooting DP. or FT. or Onegu. It's not for lack of desire. It's for lack of bullets; I mean I personally am not shooting blanks, but in the game I have neither a gun nor blanks. I just figured that it gives a quite good alternate way to read/medic people if appropriate and I hope DP comes back and shit. All that said, I would hope that DP would've had much more faith in me but after aperature I guess not. I'm still not happy with his replacing out and I still feel like he's getting a freebie town pass from most people inexplicably. Surprise Not really - you're a Palmar fanboy and that's like his signature move. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: But see here's the thing. I'm NOT surprised. At all. I am MORE surprised that DP let something as miniscule as your threats get to him. I would agree, but given what I've seen of DP late, I'm not really surprised at that either. He gettin fed up with stupids regardless of his alignment. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:01 kushm4sta wrote: looks town actually. I don't expect that much effort from scumcoag. This is interesting. Which "effort" are you referring to here sir? | ||
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It could help, but if you can generalize I'd take that too. I haven't seen any "effort" on the part of Coag this game. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:09 kushm4sta wrote: he is reading and thinking about the game as indicated by many posts. he had that prolonged conversation with you guys about the vig shot. Ehhhhh....I'll accept it. I will say that I felt Coag was interjecting in my/Marv's conversation more than he was taking part in it, but I guess I can see how you'd think that scum Coag wouldn't bother. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:13 kushm4sta wrote: lawl at trying to analyze his picture. as a fellow shitposter, I have great insight into coag's play. Why would he try even a little if he doesn't have to? what is the point of having a shitposting meta if you can't capitalize on it by shitting it up as sucm? This is a decent point. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:24 VayneAuthority wrote: remember to doc me tonight ty All the troll really makes me lean town on VA. Wasn't he the guy who was all "TROLLS NEVER GET LYNCHED FFS I'M JUST GONNA TROLL MY LIFE AWAAAAAAAY" last time he was lynched as town? | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote: TBH, I wouldn't expect him to be so useless as town. Trolling is something he does as scum, like in Les Mis. He does something that annoys people that he thinks he can get away with. 100% of the time, btw. Firmly scum on VA, especially since he has yet to even try to play. Yeah......yeah. That makes sense kinda, but...I mean, didn't he at least APPEAR to try in Les Mis? I don't know and I could go look but I think you'll tell me the truth. Like...pretty ballsy to not only EXCLUSIVELY troll, but ALSO blatantly not do a thing to even APPEAR to help town as scum don't you think? | ||
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...though I will say that he's appearing to try SIGNIFICANTLY less than I've seen VA try in past town games. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:35 VayneAuthority wrote: I would troll as either alignment in this game so it doesn't really matter. I more joined it to fill up the game for others; This is what we would consider an anomaly. Regardless, I will leave you with my reads before deadline (not that anyone cares) I care. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:36 Cephiro wrote: I wanted to give you something to by in the case I am vig shotted. Agreed that it may be not much, but someone may be able to make something out of it. Yes, it is true I haven't been helping you out this game because I've been busy. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to properly read more than 50 pages and analyzing all the communication in it? Is it simply because I wasn't able to post properly during this first cycle that you don't expect anything from me at all? This is what I find downright insulting, and I'm not sure if I'm more sad or furious right now. Do you expect everyone to live some fucking 24/7 holiday life where they can always have their mafia games at #1 priority? If I didn't give a shit, why would I be posting and reading through the countless pages I still have to waddle through at fucking 4:30 AM? At least I wasn't voting to kill our parity cop regardless of my activity. -_- In any case, I firmly vouch for vigs not shooting me tonight. Why? Because I am an incredibly good townie when I have time to post. I interact a lot, I pressure my scumreads hard, and everyone can certainly get a good read on me. In pretty much every game where I have rolled town I have been able to establish my town-ness to others properly, in a way or another. (Well, admittingly I do that fairly well when I roll scum too.) If you decide to shoot me tonight, you won't just lose a potentially great townie, but you won't be gaining any information. Me flipping town doesn't really give anything to go by, as I haven't been able to interact with others yet. Shoot someone that you think is scum, someone that will give us a lot of information from the flip even if they end up flipping town. If you genuinely think I am the best shot for tonight, then do it. I trust in our vigs to understand that is not the case. And back to catching up. I find this post to be extremely genuine. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:55 Coagulation wrote: he cant give reads cause its not a real scum list because hes scum. HEY I WAS ASKING VAYNE, COAG! LET HIM SPEAK YOU PIECE OF SHIT! | ||
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On September 24 2013 11:01 VayneAuthority wrote: Keep in mind that this game was open for decades and when I joined it wasn't even close to full, hindsight is 20/20 lol. You aren't missing much, my town game is horrid I'm less worried about losing your analysis or reads or whatever and more worried about the fact that if you and Coag are both town, he's shooting you instead of scum and everyone is okay with it. :/ | ||
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I think FT is our best shot today. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On September 24 2013 14:24 ObviousOne wrote: Luuuuuuuucyyyyyyyy, you got some 'splainin to do. Actually, I just looked at Cephiro. Feels like Chairman Ray of day 2. Actually it's worse. He promised nothing but the basest of activity for the first week of the game due to IRL circumstances. How do I decide if he's scum or town based on what he has put there? Well, I guess I'll look at the content, can't take more than two seconds right? LM vote: Rushed. We were all on the same page regarding the unknown deadline I would assume? Did anyone hint they knew the deadline was earlier than the vote count projected? So the reasons were shitty, but fitting with his disconnect with the game based on activity. I do hate this for what it is, but I'm thinking about the way he would phrase it. Like, if he's mafia and making excuses, he already has his excuse (busy week) no need to complicate things by fabricating new excuses, that's not the kind of spontaneity I associate with scum: His reads on 5 people? Okay little more time spent, but swinging me the other way. His kush read: doesn't like behavior Coag read: doesn't like behavior Sentinel read: finally something he could call someone scummy for, bad reasoning and useless posts Vayne read: behavior again JAT read: I already gave a basic meta for him which is essentially repeated So from this list his best scum suspect is Sentinel. My last idea here: "I'm looking like shit but you should let me live". He pointed out a bunch of people in a similar situation to him... and he is special because he's going to be readable? Well, you have 40 hours or so to make that a reality! TLDR: not averse to lynching without massive turnaround This whole thing and you don't even say whether or not you think he's scum. "Not adverse to lynching" could be said about any number of feelings, including "I hate this player", "I would policy-lynch this player", "I'm paying no attention to this player" etc. I'm most interested in who you'd like to lynch because you think they're scum OO. | ||
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Curse you BH. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote: You won't die night one in this game. *sigh* | ||
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On September 24 2013 15:22 ObviousOne wrote: He's scum for excusing his shit play instead of playing. OKVE?! Am I scum? Because I've been excusing my shit play AND martyring OO. What about BH was he scum? He spent all of N1 excusing his play, but shit he flipped town. So no, not okay. Also like I said before, I found his freaking out at geript or yamato or whoever the fuck to be genuine...do you think scum typically make posts like that? What about FT OO? I'm voting for FT, and have commented on reasons why. Any particular reason you don't like an FT lynch? He was the counter-wagon to the D1 lynch and everything! | ||
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Like...The Cephiro thing is so boring to me. Your post about him was nothing but a huge summary of his play, which even contains consideration for possible townie-mindests. You never draw a conclusion that he's scum, simply state that you're not adverse to lynching him...but by denying these other wagons you're saying you ARE adverse to lynching those players. Why? | ||
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Ugh...whatever vote for who you want to vote for. I'll tell you who the best person to vote for is tomorrow though if it's not FT. Right now I think it's FT. | ||
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If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all. | ||
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Do whatever guys, I'll be reading and if something needs commenting on, I'll comment on it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew I've been slowly starting to think Mattchew is scum myself, because of how background-floaty he's been...but Mocsta's post on the matter was really good and I'm comfortable with a Matt lynch. Mocsta if you're scum, I wish I was too. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: His reasoning for attacking me is so god-damn bad that it's almost hard to believe it isn't genuine. That's the thing :/ Elaborate. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote: Tell me VE. Have you ever heard anyone accuse someone before in the first cycle for "not being afraid to die"? I mean, wtf is that? How is that even a thing? No I get what he was saying. He just wasn't familiar with your meta of playing fearlessly regardless of role or alignment. But yeah, I could get the whole "not afraid to die" thing. Scum know they aren't getting night-killed right? So they make assumptions about what they'll do the following day and shit like that not taking into account the fact that they might get nightkilled. That was not odd to me. What's odd to me is his insistence that you should die for being alive. That IS odd. | ||
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Why are you drawing attention to it? There's nothing like a conclusion or question or anything anyone should comment on here - why are you asking us to look again? | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote: I can't think of a single instance where someone's been accused on the basis that Matt accused me. Certainly not on cycle 1, and I don't think any cycle. Can you think of an example? No, I just understand the accusation. I don't care about precedents. I care about whether the line of thought makes sense or not. Do you not understand the idea behind it or are you just salty that I don't agree that that particular instance of it is scummy? | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote: I care about precedents, because it shows it's not something that's occurred to accuse people of before in any other game in my mafia memory. Which suggests it's either a) fabricated or b) large paranoia. I understand what the concept is supposed to be, but it's just nonsense. You're nonsense. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote: you know he is pretty much confirmed town right? This is false. No one is confirmed town except for the dead. We have claims. Whether you believe the claims or not is your own thing, but no one in the game left alive is confirmed town. | ||
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Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote: Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato. Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment. Coag claimed a shot on VA, who died in the Daypost. Meaning we're missing a KP from last night. Yamato claimed being protected, seemingly explaining the missing KP. | ||
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The answer is no to too many of these questions for me to just accept Yamato as confirmed town. I want him to continue establishing his towniness as if he were not. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:03 FirmTofu wrote: I was under the assumption that geript shot VA? Wasn't Coag thinking of withholding his shot? geript claimed he was lying about having a shot. Keep up sir. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote: Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment. I filtered you earlier and didn't like what I read. Feel free to filter me to get an idea of why. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:35 iamperfection wrote: what do you think of tofus point he made on umasi? I like it far more than anything else he's done this game. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:53 Pandain wrote: I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me. I would think town would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates null to me. | ||
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Wasn't Frued Australian? | ||
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However it's far more likely to come from a town Matt than a scum Matt imo. Why? Because it's fucking retarded and I don't think he'd have the balls to say "I think town leader X is scum based on literally nothing". ##Unvote This requires some thought. So think on this I shall. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:44 Pandain wrote: Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class: 1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading. 2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that. 3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT. 4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing 5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot. 6. g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense. 1) Not alignment indicative. I would read the thread regardless of my alignment, and I'm wont to lurk these days regardless of alignment. I'm here when I can be, and I comment on pertinent issues when I can. This does not make me scum. 2) It has nothing to do with "casting doubt". It has to do with getting burned as fuck by people (myself included) confirming someone as town when they (we) absolutely should NOT have. I may believe that Yamato is town (and I do, presently) but that doesn't mean that he's "confirmed town". As I said before: the only confirmed town are the dead. 3) I don't even know what you're referring to here. Maybe a quote or something could help. 4) Again, this isn't alignment indicative in the least. Once upon a time in my mafia career, yes. Nowadays, not so much. However I have been, as you say, commenting, agreeing or disagreeing with things. I don't understand why you say this is a point against me, if anything it shows that I'm trying to figure out the game WITH others. But whatever. This is a null tell. 5) WIFOM. Also as scum I don't shoot people who are suspicious of me. I shoot people who are NOT suspicious of me. Ask anyone. WIFOM defense of a WIFOM point. Suck it bro. 6) Maybe you could explain how this "random vote" is bad. You may not like my reasons, but it's not a BAD vote - guy hasn't done anything and I think he's a fine vote for today. In short, this case is bad and you should feel bad Pandain. For shame. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:09 Cephiro wrote: @VE: What are your main reasons for thinking rayn is town? Mainly how spastic he is with regard to calling people scum. Like, someone does something he doesn't like, they're IMMEDIATELY SCUM. This is the kind of posting I see most often come from town...fearless, opinionated. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:13 marvellosity wrote: ? he's much less 'spastic' than usual about it. this is pretty much indisputable. whether it makes him mafia is another matter. this is carnage btw. i'm going for a shower. Time to shine twinkle-toes. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:15 marvellosity wrote: I've already shone. Ceph is singularly unimpressive still. I'm curious given his choice of 2 mafia reads that he doesn't even touch upon the fact that one would be bussing the other. I don't hate Ceph for scum - I don't like him for lynch today though. :/ | ||
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##Vote Cephiro ? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:25 Pandain wrote: Why did you give up on FT? You clearly thought he was scum. Gosh golly gee Pandain, if I clearly thought he was scum then I'm not scum myself...........right? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:27 marvellosity wrote: thing is, I'm right and you aren't. Why is that "the thing"? Where's my vote bish? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:30 marvellosity wrote: Pandain could well still be mafia but I don't think he's the best lynch today maybe. LM made himself a good lynch with his extremely odd either/or peace-out vote. GOD DAMNIT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:34 Pandain wrote: Bit annoyed ATM that I'm being ignored, I guess I'll explain my thoughts more later I'm not ignoring you - but then you don't care cause I'm scum right? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I thought he would include Sentinel in that "either/or" scenario. My point is that he said earlier that he would lynch Sentinel didn't he? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought he was onboard the Sentinel thing, then when he peaces out suddenly the lynch is only between Ceph and FT. :/ I know that's not what you were getting at, I was adding my own thought to the collective. It's not all about you marv. | ||
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I guess I'm just wondering why Ceph over LM. | ||
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That's.......not townlike from marv. | ||
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Fuck it right, I'll just peace out too and leave it in Yam's oh-so-capable hands. | ||
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##Vote: LoneMeow You've got my bow!! | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:15 Cephiro wrote: Noticed this post of yours after I had posted my last message, so EBWOP: I currently have him pegged as neutral. I haven't been able to get a convincing read of him into a direction or another yet. Mainly because while he provides many good points and reasoning for his somewhat differing reads, he also doesn't pressure his scumreads hard enough in my opinion. It seems like he is concentrating more on questioning the reads of others and defending people he considers town. (Which is not a bad thing, but I don't understand why he isn't pressuring his scumreads more.) Pressuring reads isn't my forte. I don't know what to ask people, because generally I don't know what kind of stuff is important to determining their alignment. That's not how I scumhunt. I scumhunt by observing, picking up trends in their play and shit like that. Is it the best way? Probably not, but it's how I've found the most success. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:17 Mocsta wrote: Vote me then, bish. Or i will check/shoot/ I'm fine with you checking, but really don't shoot me dude. Ugh. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE... Do you NOT remember Noir? You pressured me to all hell in that game D2. And I also remember you pressuring Hopeless. This is actually bullshit you are spewing. I was like literally the only person doing anything. Someone had to do something. There are a ton of people in this game and EVERYONE wants to pressure someone. I'm not spewing bullshit. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:24 Mocsta wrote: U better hope u r. Cos last night I checked Yam So GTFO YOU GTFO MOCSTA | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:37 Pandain wrote: I hate the word easy. I go after people because I think they are scum. I need to do psychology now. VE is scum + Show Spoiler + VE is scum + Show Spoiler + haven't even receieved comments on it wtf The attention is flattering, but I promise you'll be disappointed you didn't spend your time more wisely once I flip. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:40 iamperfection wrote: why are you using your so called flip as a bargaining chip when your in no danger of being nor probally being shot most likely. Whats with this defeatist attitude ve it makes no sense Because I feel like we're about to lynch town again and tomorrow I'm going to be a really easy target unless Mocsta is telling the truth and actually checks me. And even then, I'll likely STILL get lynched because of my play the last two days. Not saying I'm giving up - just that I have little faith in town. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:45 Mocsta wrote: OK. i read the last posts of both players (Lone/Ceph). Im heavily leaning towards a vote on Lone. I don't get why if he deosnt' want to vote Ceph, he defaults to Tofu. As for Ceph, he wanted to swap to Decon. so can't tell if he voting Lone cos he thinks he is scummy, or for survival? Now, if both are scum, i can see why both are willing to unvote each other... but then, this would look pretty bad post-flip, so going to rule it out. Between the two; im interpretting Cephiro actions as more townieish. ##Vote: loneMeow You made the right choice. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:48 Mocsta wrote: Well, the wagons are set. i dont really hav ea choice if it was up to me i would lynch geript. no questions asked. +1 | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Yep, jsut checked lone filter. no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. ##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. [B]On September 26 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: OK. I DOC'D YAM everyone, pile onto lonemeow. These two posts don't go together. At all. | ||
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In the second one he knows the claim is not real. So how/why was that first one there in the first place? | ||
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The way he's acted since the day however is null to me - if he's scum he knows his shit is cooked and if he's town he knows he's got a LOOOOOOOOOOT of explaining to do. | ||
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As it was though, I wanted to lynch geript more. | ||
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Ugh, like...there were SO MANY OUTLYING VOTES. | ||
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? I know, but my point is that he wasn't a lynch candidate really early in the day when I was voting for him. Like, immediately you were calling for a Sent lynch in direct opposition. I'm just trying to understand how he got lynched in spite of it being so hard to get a wagon rolling on him early in the day. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:41 Mattchew wrote: Geript why me? More relevant, why NOT me? | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:15 yamato77 wrote: VE, you kinda just said exactly what Marv said about him. Your point? | ||
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I think this makes JAT town maybe. :/ | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:07 iamperfection wrote: Marv he was about to die and came in last min to claim it looked like a fake scum claim to me. Even in spite of my exclamation that he couldn't make that claim as scum at that moment? | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why are we voting for LoneMeow? My read on him hasn't changed much... I think he tried to do something productive and gave up. As opposed to Newb47 (scum game) where it came pretty naturally. If we're working under the assumption that Cephiro is scum, then this post and the reaction to the doctor claim: ...don't make much sense from a scum perspective. There could be an argument made for the scumteam assuming Cephiro was going to die (remember, LM didn't start leading until Mocsta claimed? Is that right?) so I guess ultimately it's null. Judging on his posting alone (making no assumptions about anyone else) I'd say he's leaning scum just because of how passive a game he's playing. Like, his largest posts actually say the least about who he thinks is scum. | ||
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On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote: I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: That's a very un-scumlike reaction. I find it negated by the red statement that follows. In a game with unknown quantities of roles, a counterclaim wouldn't really do anything to prove whether LM was lying. Verily, we HAD a counterclaim and...he wasn't lying. I had the same thought, but I couldn't reconcile it with the request for counterclaims. Am I wrong? | ||
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On September 27 2013 09:31 Cephiro wrote: I'm starting to understand why people feel frustrated in some games when I pressure them. It's fucking annoying to have several townreads tunneling on me nonstop for the worst reasons ever. And then there are people like kush roaming free all over the place. Anyway, if someone has questions for me, ask now and I'll reply asap. I probably won't be around at the lynch and this may be a last chance to get insight into my actions, reads and opinions. If there are any non-braindead townies around, that is. Unlike these certain few people that are happily herding a bunch of sheep while most of their reasoning is: "I think he's just lying." That scumhunting. Irl trust issues with people or something? Fucking annoying I say. Anything I say is just "You're lying scum, I don't give a fuck." to most of the people. D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen. To clarify, are you saying that after leaving now, you won't be back for a full 48 hours? | ||
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Like, no one EVER lynches into the dead's scumlist, like EVER. What the fuck is going on here? | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:29 Coagulation wrote: Because marv would have read ve as town without any doubt if he was Well that's not true in the slightest lmao | ||
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Yes. We can. Because marv died and that was his dying breath right? Well guess who didn't give a shit who was lynched yesterday. Mocsta. First of all, he didn't really like either of the wagons at the time. Thought they were both town, and wanted to get a third wagon going on a third candidate in Zaragon. On September 26 2013 09:54 Mocsta wrote: 50% of the game is between Ceph/LoneMeow. That means we can get 50% of the game on zara.. and then with a proper 3way (7 votes each) it will be interesting to see how the wagons respond to each other. Which...whatever. If that was his read that was his read right? But he was bucking an already split-down-the-middle lynch, trying to get another wagon going? One of which, presumably, we're ALL certain is scum today right? On September 26 2013 10:26 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote Just noticed Geript swapped sides. Marv -> Zaragon... uuuuggghhhh ##Vote; Geript On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Yep, jsut checked lone filter. no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston + he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior. ##vote: lonemeow[/b geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem. Okay so first of all, Lone's filter isn't long and he presumably would have read it before now because there were the candidates at the time right? But the other points he raises were issues BEFORE the doctor claim right? So why was he town before, or not lynchable enough to look for other candidates? If Mocsta was town on LM before, there would have been no reason to disbelieve the doctor claim. Period. He would have been like "Oh, I was right. Cool dude!" Nope. [b]Mocsta wants to kill you. He wants harm to befall everything you love. He deserves your vote, and he deserves his fate. | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:06 ObviousOne wrote: Risen for scum MVP BROTHER! ASSIST ME!!! | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:14 geript wrote: Shut up scum. You're next after we lynch Risen. I ATTACK ONE AND THEY ALL PANIC! TOWN PLEASE!!! | ||
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To clarify, if you do not want to lynch Mocsta, you should lynch Cephiro. | ||
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Find it yourselves. VE out. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @VE I know you're around in thug atm, what is your read on my shennanigans thus far? On September 27 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta, Pandain, Cephiro, geript, ObviousOne +1 Find it yourselves. VE out. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:25 kitaman27 wrote: What have I gotten myself into -_- Probably will take me a couple days to catch up fully. Somebody give me major points of interest if you don't mind. Also, do we have a full day or a few hours left in the cycle? On September 27 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta, Pandain, Cephiro, geript, ObviousOne +1 Find it yourselves. VE out. | ||
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As always, you're wrong. <3 | ||
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I'm town. I'm town. VE is nice fellow. He's your friend. He warned you about Mocsta. *spit* Kill the scum with fire. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:38 Coagulation wrote: yeah i forgot to add lynch pandain cause hes clearly scum. I wouldnt mind lynching him last tho. him or VE anyway. I like watching scum VE pretend hes town its amusing. On September 27 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta, Pandain, Find it yourselves. VE out. | ||
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Kill Mocsta with fire tomorrow. | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta, Pandain, Find it yourselves. VE out. ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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On October 01 2013 00:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hi VE. You're scum. Prove me wrong. Don't just incessantly quote your garbage scumteam and do nothing else. Garbage scum team? Dude that's THE scumteam. If you disagree with me feel free to keep dumbly voting for me or whatever. | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Mocsta, Pandain, Amended. <3 | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:39 Pandain wrote: You're compelled enough to post though that your apathetic. What if you are town, what do you hope to accomplish? You buddies yam and marv and now am one of most experienced players here and you give scum reads but don't do shit? Don't update analysis? Don't push for Mocsta despite you thinking he's scum and he has a good chance of being lynched. Or are you both scum and hope with a scum flip the other will seem town Mocsta fake-claimed Doc to get the real Doctor lynched instead of the scum that was also on the block, Cephiro. Whether you think it's "ballsy" for mafia to do that or not, the fact of the matter is that his interference directly produced an outcome that was not only anti-town, but PRO-SCUM. That I'm on the block today instead of Mocsta is absolute nonsense, and anyone pushing for my lynch instead of his is mind-numbingly bad. But whatever. Do what you will. As I said, I'm done helping this town. I just want town to know how bad they are before they lynch me. Though I suspect that, like in all things, they won't hear it...will instead take this rant as proof of my own inefficacy instead. On October 01 2013 04:36 kitaman27 wrote: I'd be interested in hearing about FT and iamp in particular from you VE. To what end? | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:43 Pandain wrote: People fake claim all the time, I did it several times as town. It may be a mafia tell but it's not conclusive an his play otherwise has been town. Address this. I'm not saying it's a mafia tell. I'm saying his actions got a townie lynched and saved a scum. There's nothing town about that. Period. There's nothing to address. I think Mocsta is capable of appearing town by posting regardless of alignment. His actions, such as saving scum and lynching a Doctor, are what you can judge by. | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:46 Pandain wrote: You read but don't think and absorb but don't reflect Mocstas fake claim isn't conclusive as scum and you need more than that to lynch him. You however have more than enough suspicion and are actively playing more anti town, if you are town, them anyone except mocsta I think my argument is doing just fine. Fuck off. | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE, you are not helping if you are town atm. I am not going to vote for Mocsta over you, especially when you just give up and yell "look at Mocsta, he way scummier than i am". That in itself is scummy as fuck. If you are town shape up and start playing the game, Mocsta is at least contributing. You are not. PAndain, who are your top scumreads besides VE? On October 01 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I have no interest in helping this town any longer. You idiots can call me scummy all you want - that I'm opting out isn't scummy, it's apathetic. That I'm still alive is your bad, not mine. Kill me today, or kill me tomorrow. I'm not helping this town any further. -.- On October 01 2013 04:56 kitaman27 wrote: Suppose Mocsta is either not an option or has already flipped, would you be in favor of lynching either of these players? For you Kita, anything. Reading now. | ||
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Looking at iamp now. | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:06 Pandain wrote: Your getting lynched because of reasons before this day. You just claim apathy now You know what...no. I'm not getting lynched. Fuck you Pandain, you've successfully driven me to buck my lynch with all effort. I'm not scum and I refuse to get lynched. | ||
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Revised scumlist accounting for the possiblity of a retarded town Mocsta. Pandain could also be scum, but I'm reserving my judgement on him for a time when I'm not seething with hatred for him right now. It should pass by the day post tomorrow, hopefully. | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote: 1: DarthPunk/sb- town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways. 2: raynpelikoneet- town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts. 5: yamato77- town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that 6: kushm4sta- dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning. 8: ObviousOne- annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town. 10: FirmTofu- Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town 11: Pandain- his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity. 12: Cephiro- seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him. 13: Mr. Cheesecake- im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl. 14: decondu- confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him. 15: Coagulation- town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims 16: Stutters695- martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though 17: iamperfection- IC 18: Zenatsu/molango- a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse. 19: [UoN]Sentinel- scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum. 20: VisceraEyes- I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum. 22: geript- scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum 23: Risen- i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum 24: LoneMeow- dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly. 25: marvellosity- Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader. 26: Zaragon- scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much. 27: Mattchew- scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say 29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town. 30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc.... Look at the size of this post! It's huge! But it says very little all things considered - little blurbs about every player. Of note, he's got several scumreads in here, but during the lynch period when it's uncertain and people are looking at other candidates for lynch, iamp is nowhere to be seen. I mean he's there, but where are all his scumreads from the post above? Why is he not trying to lead a lynch onto someone else? But in spite of this, he DOES have time to defend Cephiro: On September 26 2013 10:36 iamperfection wrote: ceph bothered to show up lone didn't even bother to look up the deadline. ...and throw shit at the Dr claim: On September 26 2013 10:54 iamperfection wrote: hes lying kill him | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:50 Pandain wrote: Going to make a compilation later of why VE is scum part two HOW ABOUT INSTEAD YOU COMMENT ON THE POST I JUST MADE REGARDING IAMPERFECTION?!?!?!? YOU'RE ALL FUCKING SHITTY THAT I'M NOT HELPING TOWN, WELL HERE I AM MOTHERFUCKER! HOW ABOUT YOU EXPLAIN WHY I'M WRONG OR AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY RATHER THAN JUST POST "..." IN RESPONSE?!? ACTUALLYU FUCK THIS. MODKILL ME TOO! MZ, I'M PMING EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT I'M TOWN | ||
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FUCK YOU ALL | ||
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YOU'LL FIND OUT MOMENTARILY ONCE MZ BANS THE SHIT OUT OF ME | ||
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JUST SAYIN | ||
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