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On September 23 2013 04:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:34 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 04:29 LoneMeow wrote:On September 23 2013 04:27 Coagulation wrote:
Lonemeow doesnt believe in re reading thread. I've read and re-read the thread and filters all the time I had. I'm simply nowhere near good enough for games with players of this caliber. Then don't get lynched as town... We need to get rid of 2 scummers rather fast because the 3 NK shizzle. It's already enough if you don't get lynched as town on D1... No need to find all the scummers. How am I supposed to do that when I have no reads and no thread presence?
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Okay look. LoneMeow.
If you are town you want to convince people someone is mafia and lynch them. If you can't do that, you gotta place your vote on one of the cases and explain why that case is the best (better than others). Voting for yourself serves no purpose because if you are town that vote is definitely not on scum.
You do not want to look like a complete idiot who has no credibility and no clue what's going on at the moment. Being wrong is not scummy. But you definitely do not want to say "i wanna lynch this guy but i am probably wrong". If you are voting for Umasi (or anyone) and they are scum they already know you are not confident in your vote and you are easily swayed to somewhere else. Of course you can't know if you are right or wrong, especially on D1.
This looks really bad because in case you are town your vote is on the only person you know is definitely town atm. So cut the martyring, find your best lynch and start playing instead of this bullcrap. Please. Noone is a god in this game, you can find mafia aswell as anyone in this game.
##Vote: Koshi
Back to the original. You still have not done anything to make me think you are town.
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I'm afk for a bit, lonemeow, just comment on things that feel scummy and don't feel scummy, and if you think I'm scummiest, vote me and don't undermine the push by saying 'but I'm bad at reading umasi'
stick to your guns and have confidence
although obviously I'd prefer it if you didn't vote me :3
/afk
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On September 23 2013 04:47 Koshi wrote:
So evul rayn. So evul.
I am going back to sauna. Elaborate on your scumreads.
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On September 23 2013 04:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:34 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 04:29 LoneMeow wrote:On September 23 2013 04:27 Coagulation wrote:
Lonemeow doesnt believe in re reading thread. I've read and re-read the thread and filters all the time I had. I'm simply nowhere near good enough for games with players of this caliber. Then don't get lynched as town... We need to get rid of 2 scummers rather fast because the 3 NK shizzle. It's already enough if you don't get lynched as town on D1... No need to find all the scummers. How am I supposed to do that when I have no reads and no thread presence?
LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town.
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On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back. thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!' Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool
Well let's see here. Right now there's primarily 3 people I believe are scum - yourself, Stutters, and yamato. Stutters looked more scummy but all he did was tunnel kush all day. I couldn't pressure him to reveal more information so I switched to another scummy target - you. Tunneling kush doesn't leave much to probable interpretation - you switching off of your read and then trying to blend in not only raises alarms, but if you flipped red it would open up clues to finding the other 5 scum. When I'm choosing someone on my scumlist to lynch, I'd rather lynch the one whose posting can help me and the rest of the town discern who the other 5 scums are.
Lynching coag would have done nothing to find other scum in this manner, but it was my only read at the time.
(It's actually interesting to note that your vote on LM and my vote on Stutters are essentially identical. I don't think you're scum because of the unvote, I think you're scum because of the way you worded your reasoning and also the fact that you then proceeded to do nothing. I unvoted Stutters after I proceeded to do nothing.)
fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's) mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me' also there's a vote thread, use it ##vote sentinel
Could've sworn I posted in there, but no matter. I'll get to that.
On September 23 2013 03:24 Umasi wrote:
Well, let's work through this a bit
I'm town, so when I read the thread and see someone who (according to mocsta (who I've kinda considered an influential townie)) occupies a similar position within the thread as me is immediately voting me for that reason, when he's done exactly the same thing? Why IS he voting me instead of someone else in the thread?
Specifically, why did he choose me to vote
gah I'm not phrasing this very well.
basically why am I scummier to him than other people in the thread is my question.
also, how is this similar to me unvoting lonemeow, that it's bad play or that it's scum?
regardless, I don't think I twisted what he said, I tried to read into what he said.
I'm curious as to why you left all that stuff in. We're not writing in pen here, phrase your question in whatever way you like and then post it. You can clarify it, but a good chunk of that post is redundant.
On September 23 2013 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Sentinel overall disappointing. Expected more.
Can this just be my meta?
So given that Umasi at this point has no other strong lynch targets, I'm going to chalk that one up to a reactionary vote. Then LoneMeow reactionaries Umasi for the lulz, and then himself, which means I'm really interested in what's going on with him.
For now, I'm going with my third scumread which also promises results, since I feel like I couldn't get Umasi lynched no matter how hard I tried - yamato77.
##Unvote
##Vote: yamato77
Gotta remember to put this one in the voting thread for voting.
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On September 23 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going back to sauna. Elaborate on your scumreads.
I don't have any strong reads.
FT, LoneMeow. One of these my vote will end up.
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Seriously guys, can anyone give me a reason to not vote kush?
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On September 23 2013 05:20 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys, can anyone give me a reason to not vote kush?
It's day 1. He said more than usual anyway.
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On September 23 2013 05:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 04:47 Koshi wrote:
So evul rayn. So evul. I am going back to sauna. Elaborate on your scumreads. I don't have any strong reads. FT, LoneMeow. One of these my vote will end up.
Elaborate on FT. What do you mean by "i would expect more from him"?
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On September 23 2013 05:20 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys, can anyone give me a reason to not vote kush?
I have no problem with you voting kush, I have a problem with you not having any inkling of other scum besides him. Are you implying the other 5 are all in the lurker crowd?
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ITT reading is hard
Kush> LoneMeow> Chairman
Why don't you want to vote kush? You scum dawg?
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On September 23 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:18 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 04:47 Koshi wrote:
So evul rayn. So evul. I am going back to sauna. Elaborate on your scumreads. I don't have any strong reads. FT, LoneMeow. One of these my vote will end up. Elaborate on FT. What do you mean by "i would expect more from him"?
He had a discussion with DP and then out of this discussion he had a scumread on VE. It also seemed like he had first a scumread on DP and then in the discussion with DP he ended up with a townread and then decided that DP buddies were scum? Something like that.
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On September 23 2013 05:28 Stutters695 wrote:
ITT reading is hard
Kush> LoneMeow> Chairman
Why don't you want to vote kush? You scum dawg?
I'm not completely sure kush is scum. I'm suspicious of him but right now he's not in my scope of vision.
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On September 23 2013 05:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 05:18 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 04:47 Koshi wrote:
So evul rayn. So evul. I am going back to sauna. Elaborate on your scumreads. I don't have any strong reads. FT, LoneMeow. One of these my vote will end up. Elaborate on FT. What do you mean by "i would expect more from him"? He had a discussion with DP and then out of this discussion he had a scumread on VE. It also seemed like he had first a scumread on DP and then in the discussion with DP he ended up with a townread and then decided that DP buddies were scum? Something like that.
So what's wrong with that?
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On September 23 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. He specifically said that's how he works in games. He finds out marv/(Hapa's) alignments and lynches them or works with them. He also gave me an impression he has tried to read marv's slignment, i don't see him doing so.
That tactic works in Mini games. It does not work in large games. In large games, as town, I skim the thread, noting what I find suspicious, and then work with multiple scum reads. It is too hard to win a large game by getting townreads. In a Mini it is easy. But at least I understand that you seem to think this difference in my play is actually meaningful. Makes me feel better about your alignment.
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On September 23 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote:On September 22 2013 18:42 FirmTofu wrote:
As much as I dislike DP's play this game, DP's response to me is making me warm up to him. It is reminiscent of classic town play.
Townies know they are town. Therefore, when people call them scum, they instinctively believe the accuser is "bad" or scum. After all, they are town and they know that the accuser is wrong. This knowledge makes them act in anger and frustration when defending themselves.
Classic thought process: "How could this asshole accuse me? I'm town! I've been playing super pro-town all game and this guy is saying I'm scum? He must be a terrible player or scum."
While DP's anger toward me could be manufactured, it feels rather genuine. Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave.
On September 22 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert? As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me.
RE: VisceraEyes Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on.
RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true."
On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute.
This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.
Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible.
So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons. ##Vote: Chairman Ray This is the thing I don't get about this post. He goes to some lengths to KINDA explain his reads on most everyone he mentions....except the person he's voting for. As if he doesn't want people to vote for the person he's voting for, rather one of the other people he called scum in this post (myself, DP for example). What's the town motivation for doing this and then disappearing? Why does he not care about getting his strongest read (in this case Chairman Ray apparently) lynched? Why not explain why he's voting for Chairman Ray rather than just say "Oh it should be obvious"? Yeah I'm voting Yamato. For the town. ##Vote: yamato77
I was feeling better about your alignment until this. Choosing to do nothing else but sheep thread sentiment onto my own wagon at a crucial time like this is actually fairly conclusive evidence that you are mafia. I see no indication before this that you actually thought I was scum, or thought anyone was scum, for that matter.
The "reason" that you have voted for me is actually such a constructed piece of bullshit that I find it hilarious. You're not voting for any reason except for the fact that I voted for Chairman Ray when it should be apparent that I found the reasoning obvious? Laughably horrid.
For the record, let me explain why Chairman Ray's post makes him 100% mafia. The one valuable thing I learned from Sicilian was that if there's one thing to be on the lookout for, it is terrible opening posts, especially late in the day. Now, all of you may have the impression from him that he's a noon, but it honestly makes no difference. Anyone who struggles so mightily to post anything of value that late in the day when they enter the thread is almost certainly mafia.
To be fair, you could also damn him for his recent sheep vote if LoneMeow just as that wagon was taking off.
On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town. ##Vote: LoneMeow
I guarantee that Chairman Ray is having a difficult time coming up with legitimately suspicious things to comment on, so his gameplan is to sheep the easiest lynch out there. At that time, LM fit the profile because votes were piling on him after he martyred. He is the most legitimately likely mafia candidate in the thread, and my vote will continue to stay on him.
RE: The Rest of the Idiots Accusing Me
Matthew voting for me I could see happening if he's town. Still a stupid vote, especially since it came after that abomination of a case VE used to justify his sheeping. But as town, I get the impression that he listens to others more than himself.
DP I'm beginning to sway on. I'm not certain either way, and it's difficult to know when he's constantly defensive and proclaiming his accusers mafia. I should have known better than to voice my doubts about his alignment when his reaction is automatic. Still, he really has yet to come up with a scum read that wasn't "this guy accused me, he maf"
Mocsta I'm pretty certain is mafia, but I hold small reservations that he could just be this horrid as town. He's not the best D1 lynch, Ray is. VE is a similar situation, for the record. As scum, they will continue to dig their own graves, so leaving them alive to get a better picture of them this game doesn't hurt anything.
Sentinel, I don't really have much of a clue. I didn't like his entrance to the thread in the first place, and his timely sheeping of the wagon on me is quite disturbing. Could he be this bad as town? Possibly. If I had to guess, I'd say he's mafia, for the aforementioned reasons, but I don't feel good enough about it to lynch him.
Now, I have some time today to spend posting in the thread. Between work and sleep, I have not yet been afforded this chance. So for a limited time, my thoughts are available. Mind you, I generally have ignored most of the rest of the thread outside of the people I have mentioned, so most of my reads on other players are "havent looked" or "probably town".
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Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post
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Ps, wifi on the plane whats up
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On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post
I'm intentionally not tilting this game.
It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP.
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yamato could you comment on Koshi. This is basically what he has done:
1) Called out Mocsta for bad reasons.
2) When Vayne made a non-alignment indicative post, retracted from the vote on Mocsta and voted for Vayne.
3) Retracted from Vayne because some people called his vote out.
4) Called some random people scum and voted for LoneMeow for martyring.
5) Reasoning for FT being scum is... no, actually there is no reasoning, Koshi just summed up what FT has done this game.
TLDR; Bad, useless posts, fear of being called out for his ideas/intentions, summing up what someone said and calling them scumfor it without conclusions.
And that's my case, Koshi is scum.
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