EPTOn September 23 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not have a town read on him. I think i have said it before. I dunno how he plays as town but if he continues posting as he has, and does not answer you he is a good lynch. Only thing that looks good to me on him was what he said about you regarding LoneMeow, because that was exactly what i thought when you unvoted him. Why did you unvote him btw? Why not continue pressure on him?
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On September 23 2013 03:47 Umasi wrote:
okay. idk if I can help explain it more :|
so do you think sentinel is town then?
okay. idk if I can help explain it more :|
so do you think sentinel is town then?
I do not have a town read on him. I think i have said it before. I dunno how he plays as town but if he continues posting as he has, and does not answer you he is a good lynch. Only thing that looks good to me on him was what he said about you regarding LoneMeow, because that was exactly what i thought when you unvoted him. Why did you unvote him btw? Why not continue pressure on him?
I think I touched on lonemeow a bit somewhere, let me go find the post
On September 22 2013 16:06 Umasi wrote:
What makes it seem like I'm trying to fly under the radar? And I was contributing, why do you say I wasn't?
and it was useless to stay on you lonemeow because it's not the votes going to pressure you at all, and you're still more than likely town.
~and so far, your reaction to it has been pretty townie imo, but this wasn't relevant at the time I unvoted because you hadn't responded~
(oh also, saw this in the mafia database earlier, less than 25% of day 1 lynches actually lynch scum, so truly you are a god among men mocsta)
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On September 22 2013 15:45 Mocsta wrote:
Nice attempt at ad-hom as well. If you want to keep up this aggressive tone, lay down a vote on me; or shut the fuck up.
My sentinel vote is far from policy lynch. I outlined why I think he is worthy of a vote based on flying under the radar by attempting to appear active, but actually contributing nothing. The same goes for Umasi.
Sentinels, coag vote *was* for being useless etc, which as I outlined prior is dumb. Because players like that are 'lottery draws" on day1, regardless of being town or scum.
On September 22 2013 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
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It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!"
It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls.
So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one.
Well fisrtly, you are taking the whole situation out of context. Its quite clear what I took issue in. It is far from semantics. What you wrote was not a genuine thought. It was refined. Its common knowledge that scum are typically the ones who struggle to post and need to incessantly proof-read their posts. So far from semantics.+ Show Spoiler +
On September 22 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote:
Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows
Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me.
As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie".
Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned.
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On September 22 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions.
On September 22 2013 14:17 Mocsta wrote:
Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot.
At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch.
Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game.
Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.
Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3
Voting for Vayne/Coag is ridiculous for Day1. They do this type of play regardless of alignment, and its a total crapshoot.
At least have the kahunas to call it a policy lynch.
Yamato read on me is a joke. Theres nothing to respond to, because his points is "meta" with no extension to how it actually applies to this game.
Waves defense read a touch forced to me. However, a townie has every reason to "refine" their defense as well. So will give him benefit of the doubt for now.
Sentinel has maintained enough activity to not be forgotten, but has essentially contributed nothing. Ideal scum "flying under the radar" play; exacerbated by his coagulation vote here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=[UoN]Sentinel¤tpage=3
Your backing down feels a touch forced to me, as were your original suspicions.
Fine, my specific issue with your defense was the injection of the word "townie" as follows
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On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai ladies.
I back.
A few things:
For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments:+ Show Spoiler +
DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling.
The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know.
DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it
) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine.
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Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently.
New stuff:
Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something.
Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad.
Ohai ladies.
I back.
A few things:
For those people asking about my intentions and posting regarding DP: I played a stretch of games with him a little while ago and became fairly confident in my townread of him. Ever since playing voice mafia with him I feel like my ability is now slightly crowded since I know a little more about him and his style. My prodding served two purposes: first of all, as some of you may or may not know, DP likes to play his game with a pinch of salt, that is to say, he gets angry/annoyed pretty easily. As such after delving a little into attempting to determine his alignment I decided to see how he'd react to some dumb (and yet truthful) comments:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor.
Are you 3P DP?
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On September 21 2013 13:26 DarthPunk wrote:
YEs
NO
NO
Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that:
A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die.
B) potentially get medic protected
Also:
C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun.
On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses?
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses?
YEs
NO
NO
Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that:
A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die.
B) potentially get medic protected
Also:
C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun.
This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor.
Are you 3P DP?
On September 21 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's pretty damn meaningless.
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On September 21 2013 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:
I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite.
I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts.
On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted.
@DP
geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it.
He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me.
As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted.
I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite.
I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts.
It's pretty damn meaningless.
DP didn't take easy bait here and has actively REALLY attempted to avoid shitting things up despite an aggravating geript (who I'm pretty sure is town, btw) and me to a lesser degree pushing him. More likely town for that as it's really easy to pawn off or excuse early game shitfests/trolling.
The second purpose of my prodding, specifically the questions post, is that not only did I actually want to know the legitimate answers to those questions (which DP answered very well imo) I also wanted to gauge some other reactions to those questions as some people have noticed, is kind of an odd line of questioning and essentially only pertains to DP's specific meta, which I will explain here for people who don't know.
DP is known as a very strong town player. As such he is often a target of mafia kills extremely early in many games, including dying on N0 games before he can even DO anything. He absolutely hates this (almost as much as he hates 3P survivor apparently, for similar reasons---hence my bait about 3P despite there obviously not being one in this game. DP didn't take it
) The reason I asked him here is because as a townie, I very much want a town DP to be on my side and a part of the game as long as possible, so I was wondering if perhaps he would have considered changing his posting style slightly so if town, he could survive mafia hits a while longer. This doesn't appear to be the case and is perfectly fine. + Show Spoiler +
Hopefully I will have no caught up to everything relevant regarding me up until recently.
New stuff:
Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something.
Yamato, come on dude. You're not that bad.
Frankly, that doesn't read like a natural stream of consciousness to me.
As I said, because it was a defense, I think town or scum could have "refined" that statement by adding the clause "as a townie".
Its an issue to me; but in isolation I don't want to lynch you over it. Overall your posting has been consistent in confidence. Bigger fish to fry; and sentinel represents a higher percentage to be scum as far as I am concerned.
It's an issue to people like you who try to lynch/suspect people over semantics, because then if I don't use those specific words you say something like: "Of course you want a town DP to be on your side as scum!"
It's horseshit, Mocsta. I accept the fact that you've backed down from me because you realized your suspicion was dumb as balls.
So you're voting Sentinel because he's policy voting Coag for being useless huh? What is the difference between this and your vote on Sentinel himself? I don't see it if there is one.
Nice attempt at ad-hom as well. If you want to keep up this aggressive tone, lay down a vote on me; or shut the fuck up.
My sentinel vote is far from policy lynch. I outlined why I think he is worthy of a vote based on flying under the radar by attempting to appear active, but actually contributing nothing. The same goes for Umasi.
Sentinels, coag vote *was* for being useless etc, which as I outlined prior is dumb. Because players like that are 'lottery draws" on day1, regardless of being town or scum.
What makes it seem like I'm trying to fly under the radar? And I was contributing, why do you say I wasn't?
and it was useless to stay on you lonemeow because it's not the votes going to pressure you at all, and you're still more than likely town.
~and so far, your reaction to it has been pretty townie imo, but this wasn't relevant at the time I unvoted because you hadn't responded~
(oh also, saw this in the mafia database earlier, less than 25% of day 1 lynches actually lynch scum, so truly you are a god among men mocsta)
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