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Good grief, Ray's posts looked constructed in his newbie game. That's kinda disappointing.
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On September 23 2013 07:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:Here's something interesting guys. Remember I posted about this? On September 21 2013 13:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 13:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. Well, rayn was confident later, and DP didn't back him. Was he reminded of this since? No. Should he have to be reminded of what he said? Sometimes. I've forgotten shit like that before. Koshi says that apparently DP looked into him and didn't want to vote him though so apparently he didn't necessarily forget?
Maybe. I'm not sure it's damning, but it's something. Note the first part of the quote before the bolded - "can't really tell the difference". For me the oddest thing, still, is that he said it in the first place, not that he failed to follow up on it (although that seems worth noting)
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Yes Koshi, I did find that post, I'm not an idiot 
It's a really weird reason for defending you by the way.
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yamato, have you checked out Ray's only other game? Apologies if you've done so and I missed it
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Thanks Stutters. I can't even explain why I asked you that very well, but yeah. Thanks anyway haha.
Given the Ray/LM interactions, what does that do to your read on both of them?
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On September 23 2013 07:35 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote:Yes Koshi, I did find that post, I'm not an idiot It's a really weird reason for defending you by the way. I remember that post, and I actually thought it was a good reason. What struck you as weird about it?
Because I don't think it is a good reason? koshi's clued up enough about the game of mafia to say one player is mafia or neither is mafia or both is mafia (ok that one would look weird). But given DP's deferral to rayn about Koshi earlier, not giving a scumread on two people arguing seems weird to me as a reason.
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Btw, I'm not sure what I make of DP read-wise, and I highly, highly doubt I'd push for his lynch today, so I'm not sure how productive it is to talk about it now, especially as he's not here to explain it himself.
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On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon. Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.
Koshi, why are you STILL passive as fuck?
You promised us a whirlwind of activity.
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On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something.
By the way, this is total bullshit.
On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi
This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?!
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On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science.
Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote.
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geript, can you explain your Mocsta read please?
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On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming.
I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that 
Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia".
Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi?
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On September 23 2013 08:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia". Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi? I do , and he should probably explain that---it may have something to do with the fact that Umasi (I THINK it was Umasi) had at that point only played scum in all of his newbie games or something, and that was ingrained into his reads of Umasi somehow?
Ya. It's why I'm enormously annoyed that LM just fucked off. Notice how he didn't even give ONE REASON in this game why Umasi is mafia. He's biased against him - that's possibly bullshit, possibly true, but why is Umasi mafia this game? Why run away? If he's town this behaviour is pretty disgraceful as being from Finland he's probably not going to be back before deadline. It stinks but I'm not sure if it's lynchable-stinks right now.
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On September 23 2013 08:20 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. By the way, this is total bullshit. On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which. Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now. ##Vote: Umasi This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! He's probably talking about their newbie game interaction, marv. Come on, it's not rocket science. Read what I wrote again, learn to read, then respond again. Thanks Wave. Hint: check the timestamp of the 2nd quote. Do you mean it is literally the only time LM EVER mentioned Umasi? I assumed you meant in this game. Don't condescend to me marv. It's unbecoming. I won't condescend if you don't assume I'm being an ass when I'm not known for being dumb like that Yes, I mean it's literally the only time ever. Lone has played two towngames, of which Umasi was in one, and that quote (and the nested one inside it) were the only times he mentioned Umasi. And the mentions were "i kinda think maybe he's scum or maybe this other player, i guess umasi is mafia". Do you understand now why I have my eyebrows massively raised at his contention that he's massively biased against Umasi? FWIW I either coached or hosted or something one of those games as I remember and IIRC there was a big thing afterwards about Lone always and forever from then on thinking Umasi is scum. I could be wrong though and be attributing that somewhere else though.
Could you do me a favour and try to have a quick look? I can't imagine where it would be and it would be super helpful.
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On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie?
I dunno, I'm bad at reading active players on Day 1. Workin' my way down the playerlist at the moment. I'm at Firm fwiw :p
I'll definitely get to Mocsta though.
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On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation. Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.##Vote: LoneMeow I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added.
Yes, it's hedging his bets, and yes, it's dodgy.
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On September 23 2013 08:28 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie? I dunno, I'm bad at reading active players on Day 1. Workin' my way down the playerlist at the moment. I'm at Firm fwiw :p I'll definitely get to Mocsta though. Convenient given that Mocsta is dead last on the list. HRMMMMMMMMMMM!
I know, I'm definitely going to get to around position 28 and then decide I'm too tired and go to bed.
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On September 23 2013 08:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
geript, MocLogic is not a good enough explanation. Yes it is. Moc uses specific sets of heuristics as town and completely different sets of heuristics as scum always and forever. Moc is fine.
geript, you need to try to explain this.
Maybe you're having trouble verbalising it, but try. What are the differences in heuristics?
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On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.
I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.
This still makes no sense to me. In the world where FirmTofu is town and DarthPunk is mafia, DP-mafia already knows he's reacted defensively and aggressively to previous accusations against him. Further, as DP-mafia is aware of this and as town-Firm has already stated he found DP's defensiveness mafia-oriented, in what world would DP-mafia not pick up on the inconsistency Firm showed? It's within the same conversation? How terrible a mafia player would one have to be to NOT point out Firm's inconsistency?
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