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CC has been one of the most consistently scummy people in the game. But Marv pointed out his signature, and considering CC from that perspective, he feels like a coin flip for scum.
Cephiro is an important puzzle piece, as is FT.
FT, you're not reading scum lately, the problem is you can act as pro-town as you like because people have diverted off of you, meaning you can go bussing scum mates or attacking townies as much as you like with your posting pattern (which obfuscates alignment very well, though it's not necessarily scum). And you have gone on the offense at people at points that haven't been critical tipping points for those people, from what I remember.
So I can only transfer my scum read from the critical points earlier. I will say, the people you have chosen to target (besides me, who you could have thought was an easy target to transfer, though thinking back, you did waver on your pressure at a point that made you look a bit too scummy to be your scum play as I've read your meta) have not been easy scum diversions. The problem is, if you want to establish towniness as scum or town, you had to do what you're doing after events day 1.
In essence, we never unknotted the scum reactions in the Chairman Ray case and you are at the center. At this point there are too many scum connections to extrapolate from the FT/Chairman Ray situation and the LoneMeow/Cephiro situation. I simply can't place a town read on you in these circumstances, sorry.
I've filter dived over and over these last couple of days, but whenever I come up with something now, it's conditional based on if scum needed to panic swing your vote, or if Mocsta is scum, or if Cephiro is scum.
Pandain is one person I have started to like most for town (I've decided him trying to prevent the swing from an FT shot N1 overrides any scumminess I've felt about him, and his erratic posting pattern is making sense now for my personality read on him).
Next up going to check if it makes any sense to shift my scum read on VE, he has offered some glints of towniness, even if it's throughout a scummy pattern.
At this point, a Cephiro or FT vote seems the most logical option.
My personality read on Mocsta actually still substantiates him as chaotic town. I have a few moments of the game I would really like to bring up with you, but I prefer if that's for the night phase after we've resolved some severely knotted case like Cephiro or FT. I think we're better off conserving time and attention, and I think town sentiment is on Cephiro right now.
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On September 28 2013 01:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Risen, I'm not cop wtf? The fact that I said you are mafia was based on your shitty post about me being mafia.
Your reaction is hilarious btw. Assuming I have a red check on you... Afraid of something?
? It was a hypothetical I was throwing out, not a statement I would stand behind. I didn't call you a cop, why are you overreacting? Mr. CC is acting in the exact same manner as Geript. Both have looked for the tiniest thing they could latch onto and are causing a shit storm in an attempt to divert attention. This is not town play. The town play, if Mr. CC truly thought I was scum, would either simply to have been calling me scum, preferably before my calling him out but timing isn't the only thing that matters, or building a case on me. Instead we have a very Geript-like reaction.
I think scum Mocsta saw Geript flailing and wants to get away as soon as possible to avoid the train wreck. Mr. CC has decided to try and push with Geript instead of back down from him like Mocsta.
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On September 28 2013 01:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I never made a case for why Ceph was town, ever. THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T VOTE CEPH WAS BECAUSE LM WAS A STRONGER SCUMREAD. I made one or two assumptions that Ceph was town because LM was scum. Other than that, no. First post from stream (from case)
On September 26 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm content sitting my ass on LoneMeow until someone can convince me that another person is scum.
JAT -- Post it.
Even though at this point in time I thought LoneMeow was more scummy of the two;
a statement like this directly implies that Cephiro is a town read for you. Its cut and dry.
Then when you factor in Marv, hammering in Cephiro as prime lynch all cycle.. and you avoid discussing Cephiro with the above... yeah.. the hole is VERY deep.
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On September 28 2013 01:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:24 Risen wrote:On September 28 2013 01:21 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:17 Risen wrote:On September 28 2013 01:12 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:01 Risen wrote:
Not only that Mocsta, but his play, imo, looks very similar to his scum play in our last game together. And even though I'm not one for meta reads, he was scummy last game, too. I just wanted him alive because I needed his soul :< LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript. But, you aren't really talking to me? OK, how about this. Cephiro is getting lynched this cycle. If im scum, and Mr.CC is scum.. What do I have to achieve by pushing out this case at this point in time? If im scum, and Mr.CC is town, again, what do i achieve by pushing this out now? You were the one, who said, Cephiro promising to keep coming back is classic scum play that you would use; so i would really appreciate your thoughts on the above. 1) Juicy town cred and the title of "Best scum play 2013" if it works since "no one would ever fake claim doctor to get the doctor lynched then bus his teammate who had been flying under the radar" 2) You get the appearance of scum hunting which is townie, since Mr. CC appears to be scum to at least one townie (me) (1) I know you have a mafia award for "best scum play" but this is far fetched even for you. (2) The whole point of the "streams of consciousness" is for anyone doubting my alignment, to read what I have wrote. Read the posts, and read my comments. Do your thoughts align? Seriously, as scum, if im bussing Mr.CC its not going to be for something as detailed as my streams. WAY too much effort for the same net benefit of writing 3 lines saying Mr.CC is scum.
#2 isn't pro-town play. Maybe you don't know this, and I wouldn't blame you. I used to do something similar to the stream of consciousness thing you're doing until it was pointed out to me. Your stream of consciousness is very similar to a list post. Probably the worst things about list posting is that 1) you're giving out town reads (bad) 2) you aren't providing consolidated cases. In the case of 1, if you are a towny, it points scum where to shoot. In the case of 2, in spite of your more unlinked posting style, due to the nature of your posts they aren't cases. They're just what you call them, thoughts. They fill up a lot of space and don't further town agenda, but they make you appear active.
Stop the stream of consciousness, no one cares what you think (no worries, I still think people care what I think sometimes, too). People (townies) want to be shown cases so they can come to the same conclusion you come to independent of what you think.
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Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of. This has to be done because we can't allow scum in the future to think they can fake claim and get away with it. Fake claiming doctor and getting a doctor claim lynch is the bottom of the barrel in terms of play.
It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that.
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Well regardless of pro-town or not. Its too much effort to bus Mr.CC, when there are much simpler methods to achieve the same goal.
Thats a fact
As for the thoughts, they are summarised at the end for lazy ppl like yourself. But this is theory crafting, and can be discussed post-game. I got the feeling most ppl arent reading them anyways (so you could have merit)
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On September 28 2013 01:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I never made a case for why Ceph was town, ever. THE ONLY REASON I DIDN'T VOTE CEPH WAS BECAUSE LM WAS A STRONGER SCUMREAD. I made one or two assumptions that Ceph was town because LM was scum. Other than that, no. First post from stream (from case) Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 08:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm content sitting my ass on LoneMeow until someone can convince me that another person is scum.
JAT -- Post it. Even though at this point in time I thought LoneMeow was more scummy of the two; a statement like this directly implies that Cephiro is a town read for you. Its cut and dry. Then when you factor in Marv, hammering in Cephiro as prime lynch all cycle.. and you avoid discussing Cephiro with the above... yeah.. the hole is VERY deep.
Seriously Mocsta? I didn't even mention Cephiro! I said LONEMEOW IS MAFIA and i want to lynch my top scumread.
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How have I been consistently scummy? The only reason people think I'm mafia is because I wanted to lynch my top scumread over Cephiro -- who we don't even know is town or scum. FUCK.
Fuck everyone.
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On September 28 2013 01:54 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta so tryhard 0o
If he's scum, props to him for being a bastard. But he's really annoying if town.
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Yup props if scum.
But you can be scum CC. The only reason I am against it is because marv talked me out of it.
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On September 28 2013 01:17 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:12 Mocsta wrote:On September 28 2013 01:01 Risen wrote:
Not only that Mocsta, but his play, imo, looks very similar to his scum play in our last game together. And even though I'm not one for meta reads, he was scummy last game, too. I just wanted him alive because I needed his soul :< LOl... i appreciate the agreement.. but, was I not a scum read for you prior? Do you think I am bussing Mr.CC with that case? Yes. I always talk to my scum reads, I just flipped my shit b/c Geript.
No you flipped your shit because you got caught. Want to explain your reasoning before I get back from work and move the vote onto you?
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This was regarding Deconduo
On September 27 2013 09:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not factoring his activity heavily. Just plain don't like what is there. the thing is, there's a couple of things that point to him being town his general wtf-ness about the night 1 kills. seems hard to fake his catch on Matt's line about protecting WoS. That's pretty attentive actually so meh
The catch was that he pointed out Mattchew called for protection on WoS who was shot that night.
Marv said this made him "attentive" but I'm thinking more along the lines of "sensitive". Huge non-factor, less than a 1 page filter in a game approaching 300 pages.
WTF-factor is that he was confused about night actions. Not reading the thread? Behind? What's going on with this one. I feel hate rising up inside of me. Risen: hold me.
Decon, spill your guts as if you were going to be lynched. It sucks that I have to prod you for this but when your last post is
So by 'people' you mean you and Cheesecake? Neither of you said anything worthy of a response tbh. If you had actually read my post properly you would have had the answers to your questions. and very little of meaning scattered throughout the rest of your filter, it's time to lay it out for us. The whole story. Your take on the game. A nice set of scum reads.
Pretend I have a gun.
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Seriously how did Marv give decon the adjective "attentive" when he was confused as fuck after N1 resolved?
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OO you don't want me to hold you, the proxy rage will just blow you up and you'll get banned. I'm seriously happy iamp stopped me.
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On September 27 2013 14:22 FirmTofu wrote:
Will be back later. I need to post in my other game.
Cool story bro. 3 scum reads that aren't geript or umasi. Go.
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On September 28 2013 02:58 Risen wrote:
OO you don't want me to hold you, the proxy rage will just blow you up and you'll get banned. I'm seriously happy iamp stopped me.
You're here answer my questions. You came back with this:
On September 28 2013 01:46 Risen wrote:
Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of. This has to be done because we can't allow scum in the future to think they can fake claim and get away with it. Fake claiming doctor and getting a doctor claim lynch is the bottom of the barrel in terms of play.
It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that.
Why does he have to be lynched? Why are you sad about it? Why do you care more about "punishing play" right now than actually you know winning the game and convincing people that you want to lynch scum and that the person who you're pushing is scum.
WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY AT ALL EXCEPT FOR ME TALKING ABOUT HOW FUCKING SCUMMY RISEN IS????????????
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On September 28 2013 03:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 02:58 Risen wrote:
OO you don't want me to hold you, the proxy rage will just blow you up and you'll get banned. I'm seriously happy iamp stopped me. You're here answer my questions. You came back with this: Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:46 Risen wrote:
Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of. This has to be done because we can't allow scum in the future to think they can fake claim and get away with it. Fake claiming doctor and getting a doctor claim lynch is the bottom of the barrel in terms of play.
It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that. Why does he have to be lynched? Why are you sad about it? Why do you care more about "punishing play" right now than actually you know winning the game and convincing people that you want to lynch scum and that the person who you're pushing is scum. WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY AT ALL EXCEPT FOR ME TALKING ABOUT HOW FUCKING SCUMMY RISEN IS????????????
Nobody wants to take you seriously because of your first days in the game.
So we just accept that you're probably town and ignore your posts.
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##vote: cephiro
just checking in
still working on pset
kind of used up my break in the other game i'm in but that's okay because we found scum here already. kill cephiro.
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