GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

On July 30 2013 11:43 s0Lstice wrote:
My 2 cents: I like the size and the start date as it stands now

On August 04 2013 21:20 Chezinu wrote:
/out

Not sure I would be able to keep up.

On August 05 2013 13:46 Ace wrote:
I'm interested because finally another game with Night 0 start.

On August 05 2013 17:14 FirmTofu wrote:
geript /out ing is gonna make the thread much more manageable to catch up to. Thanks geript!

On August 06 2013 03:26 s0Lstice wrote:
all i know is i better be in house greyjoy

On August 07 2013 06:47 gumshoe wrote:
Who was the night king.

On August 07 2013 06:40 gumshoe wrote:
Name all five faceless men assassinations that occur during the 5 existing books.

On August 07 2013 07:57 gumshoe wrote:

Finafuckinly

On August 07 2013 08:38 s0Lstice wrote:
My dearest gumshoe.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 07 2013 08:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Its the seat of power of house bracken.

Last one. What was the first major battle of the war of the usurper? I guess I'd take two answers for this.

On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:

Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me?

For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really.

On August 08 2013 15:14 Onegu wrote:
If it is random scum distrabution there maybe multiple houses who dont have scum, if scum can completely wipe a house out getting rid of a vote, that is very helpful for scum and something we should avoid if possible.

On August 08 2013 16:15 johnnywup wrote:
Actually, since Scum is randomly distributed it's likely that they do already know who's in every house. There's 24 players so around 5 people are mafia. It's likely that there's one in each house except maybe one or two. Which means they do probably know who's in what house. I feel like an idiot.

On August 08 2013 18:40 Xatalos wrote:


If anything, I think it's more suspicious for a veteran player to be a Lord than for a newbie. Scum veterans kind of have to aim for the Lord status or gather suspicion... But what newbie scum would aim for Lord right away? It would be so much easier to stay out of the most heated action.

On August 08 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hail to the King Lord! I am back!

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.

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Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not.

FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy.

FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me.

NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me.

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.
RI seems okay.
NM8 town.

I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people?

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I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)?

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The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this:

Onegu:

This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game:

Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house.

When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this:

That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that.

Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad.

On August 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind?
If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself.

If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him?

On August 09 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, did you first vote for Onegu for the house lord because of experienced?

On August 09 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote:


snb gave me his rolename and told me not to tell anyone. I told someone and asked them what they thought.
snb asked me why and I said to see what he thought, later on he asked me why again and I said to see his reaction.
Not exactly contradictory..

On August 09 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think me ruining snb's "experiment" isn't even his issue. It's the "lie" which was simply a mistake.
So..... let's move on, yes? A couple of people here can tell you that when I'm town I tend to shine green and when I'm scum I tend to... not shine so green.

Onegu you promised to post your thoughts on everything.


Did you cover everything you wanted in the same post?

On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment?

On August 09 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why didn´t you ask the hosts if role names are alignment indicative or not before basing your read on someone on the the "fact" that "they might be"?

On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote:
So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum.

On August 09 2013 22:29 Oberyn wrote:


onegu expressed that he would prefer my vote to remain on sol. I wanted to see where the thread went after the discussion of sol died off and there was still a full 24 hours left in the day to explore new individuals. I replied that I wanted to pressure Acro and would likely return to sol. At this point, I'm undecided whether or not I will be returning to sol, dandel, or possibly yamato/iamp.

When I poked yamato for activity, he said he would be on for a while tonight and assumed he would catch up in the thread. He has continued to be around, but not helpful, which is why he is one of my preferred lurker shot candidates (See dandel, that wasn't very hard was it? Your turn!)

On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote:


I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum?

In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn?

On August 10 2013 12:28 Chromatically wrote:
I was kind of assuming that we were going to vig shoot Tofu because he's pretty much a complete inactive, but I definitely don't have a problem with lynching him.


Onegu, what did you mean by "scapegoat" here?

On July 29 2013 10:38 Promethelax wrote:


Before I began playing mafia. Ruminate on that.

On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only.

On August 08 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote:

Ok I agree.

But at this point we are not doing normal scumhunting. Everybody is discussing the houses while we are not allowed to mention the members in the houses. At this point we can't do any scumhunting at all.

On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
-Dandel told me that s0lstice was either a retard or a scum in 1 message
-I replied to him that s0lstice was nice to me and that there was no reason to believe he was either retarded or scum. I also said that s0llstice actually was a good leader and unlike DI that just wanted to kill Kush "because"
-Which DI answered to "it's not because, it's win/win (It clearly was not a joke like he claims now.)

DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.
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1) says the best scumhunter should be lord (Which I thought was s0lstice, I only knew DI from NWM)
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom (this was after all pms)
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places (imo yes)
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him (I voted chrom in the end. I just wanted to run because out of 2 equals I should pick myself because chrom might be scum (even though Chrom looks just as good as s0lstice)
3) says he doesn't want to be lord (At first)
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why (I fucking explained it 10 times)
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.

Point 4 and below is indeed a bit bad play on my part. But in my gut I just knew that those 2 weren't going to work together and that I should be able to run for Lord.
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Maybe I took n0 not serious enough for DI. But I had enough bullshit from this guy, he is lying 24/7 and any normal person would descredit him for being Lord after the PMs he sent me.

On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:

Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.

On August 10 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:

I have pushed Oats 3 times in this thread, and every time I get laughed at and everybody telling me that Oats is town because of meta. How can you say I half-heartedly pushed Oats?
On top of that I can't lynch anybody and my Lord thinks I am scum. Obviously I am not as passionate about the lynch as I normally am.

Who are you going to vote on? Because I would love you to go outside our House because I am not scum and s0lstice hasn't done anything scummy except vote for you... You are the only Lord that is actually trying to lynch his own servants.
Kill FT, Oats, Kirby or johnnywup. They are all "active" but completely useless, and with Oats or johnnywup you have a good chance to hit scum.

On August 10 2013 13:13 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu who's your number 1 lynch right now?

On August 10 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:

for murder and mayhem

On August 10 2013 13:35 iamperfection wrote:

im not joking its for kp

On August 10 2013 13:35 FirmTofu wrote:
1) You are lynching me based on my activity. I have great potential to be useful in the coming days, whereas there are plenty of people in this town that will continue being useless.
2) Acro is a far better lynch today. I don't know where the votes stand right now, but Acro has been scummy all game. If I had to redirect my lynch to any one person, it'd be him.

On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...

On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:

you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway

On August 11 2013 14:42 Grackaroni wrote:
to be fair if there's any scum in the lords they already knew that the kp direct at gumshoe had to be > 6 so hopefully it shouldn't cause too enormous of an impact.

On August 11 2013 19:04 Xatalos wrote:


I've never played with scum Onegu but you're right, that would be useful (although less than actually playing with him). I'll probably do that soonish. For now I mostly want to know the mystery player though. If he's scum, Onegu is also 100% clean.

On August 11 2013 21:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, could you stop roleplaying and just say "red check" if that's the case?
Let me sum up the 5 pages of d2:

On August 11 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

So why do you have to claim the red check. Why cant Sharrant claim it?

On August 12 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have definitely not tunneled you on D1. If you are saying that you do not know the term. Or did i tunnel Acrofales, FirmTofu aswell? And every other person i expressed suspicion on?

On August 09 2013 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:


First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this:
"Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?"

Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him.

Me:
"Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. "

Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant).

Me:
"Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up."

And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales.

On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town.

After that he started making posts such


This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation.

Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody

Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting.

There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions.

@Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed?

On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game.
acro is my only scumread right now.
1- rolefishing?
he pmed me this

no idea what this even means lol

2-actually I cant even understand what he's saying because he is talking in flavor. like i can't understand what any of his posts mean at all...

3-i guess i dont have reasons lol

On August 12 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And if town JK did claim and get´s nightkilled town!Oberyn (by your thought process) get´s lynched. Now how does that make sense?

On August 12 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia.

What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is.

On August 12 2013 22:17 Acrofales wrote:

Well, you're here saying he's loyal for the exact reasons that people would say he's loyal if all this happened. Nevertheless, it all seems entirely based on wifom. There is also still the third possibility that you are a Blackfyre and that's why a Blackfyre roleblocker never claimed: Oberyn's plan was hatched by a loyalist, but immediately compromised.

Until we actually get some flips or further info, it all seems like pointless wifom, though.

On August 12 2013 22:36 Acrofales wrote:

You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening.

On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time.

On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it

On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.

On August 09 2013 06:48 johnnywup wrote:
ok bookmark this post if you want

House Tyrell:

Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales

House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen

House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax

House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe

House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion

House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu

On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though.

On August 14 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote:

1) Onegu did mocsta send this to you during the night? I got a feeling that he didn't. Nothing in his post suggest that btw Clarity.
2) Exactly because somebody would say that. "omg if he is scum he wouldn't put his top scumread on top because iamp will die."

Clarity? What do you think of jrkirby his filter now that you see these 2 flips?

On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it.
2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats.
3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum.

@onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord.

@vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is.

On August 14 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu, why did you got elected over Oberyn in your house?

On August 14 2013 23:55 strongandbig wrote:

the causal connection is that people started calling me scum after i left. obviously once i came back it was going to be after people started calling me scum. and we have like 50 page days, so i missed 8 pages, boo hoo.

On August 15 2013 00:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Did everybody claim who they shot yet?

I PM'd chrom about it but yet no answer (he also hasnt posted so hes afk i guess) and i dunno if everybody else said so yet

On August 15 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:


I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed


Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why?

On August 15 2013 05:04 Koshi wrote:
SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian.
Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant.

On August 15 2013 18:17 Xatalos wrote:
Okay. Mocsta is looking pretty good recently. No idea how jrkirby played so scummy then, but maybe he is town.

Vivax and snb are my top picks at the moment as well.

Although I disagree about Koshi and slightly disagree about grackaroni.

On August 15 2013 22:06 Koshi wrote:

What is this?

On August 15 2013 22:56 Acrofales wrote:

I had almost forgotten you are in this game. Who is scum?

On August 15 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
Onegu tunneling me since Day 1 also never gets old. "omg you asked SnB about other scumtargets" MUST BE SCUM!

On August 15 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote:

Because? I just demolished your 3 lines of "why this post is supper scummy". So please. Was it the caps? Only the caps?

On August 16 2013 01:32 Xatalos wrote:


snb, Risen, johnnywup, Mocsta and Sharrant while you're at it.

On August 16 2013 04:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
oh btw i almost forgot

wtf is an empowerer?

On August 16 2013 13:44 kushm4sta wrote:
SO CAN ANY LORD SHOOT ME OR JUST MY LORD SHARRANT?

On August 16 2013 13:45 Grackaroni wrote:

I would like to be lord for a cycle. Don't really know what you are rambling about I could just vote for myself

On August 16 2013 13:53 kushm4sta wrote:
balls im dead then.

On August 17 2013 14:24 johnnywup wrote:
so i'm still alive. And...no one died tonight? (barring kush's death from lord KP). what's up with that? speaking of kush's death, where did the lord KP go after he died? to me?

On August 17 2013 15:45 Sharrant wrote:



I'm considering him confirmed scum. This is why: Mocsta should have immediately asked me who I told I was checking him.

He knows it's a PM game. He knows I revealed my first check to someone. If he were town he'd know that at this point it seems that the only reason he could possibly show up red is to be framed.

So his first instinct should either be to deny the check (if he doesn't believe I'm town, but he says he does) or it should be to try and find out who could know so we could figure out if the framer guessed right, or knew the target before hand.

On August 17 2013 16:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you think a town roleblocker roleblocked Xatalos or Clarity N1. Why is that?

On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play.

On August 17 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:




Firmtofu is dead. SnB had a scumread on Clarity. You think there is a town roleblocker who blocked Clarity on N1, and you on N2.

Now, why did you vote for the guy who was most likely to be the town roleblocker in your mind on D3?

I know why. Because scum!

On August 17 2013 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote:


I can see why it makes 0 sense to you. You seem to have drawn a connection that the only people who might have had a scumread on me d1/n1 are the people who pushed me in thread.
PS snb called me town near the end of day 1

On August 17 2013 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, that's Onegu's thought process as he said so!!!
I am pointing out why his logic makes zero sense.

On August 17 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.

Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed?

On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote:


It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum?

Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way?

On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia.

On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them.

On August 17 2013 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I do not think you and Clarity are mafia, because apparently i have too high expectations of how people play this game. Last time i checked i called SnB town.

Why do you ask me and not Xatalos who just softly proposed half of the living players as lynch targets instead of the red check guy?

On August 18 2013 01:04 Clarity_nl wrote:


That's what I said. Only clevererer

On August 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:


ahh k this makes sense

just as an aside, not at all related to our alignments, do you think this game should be declared a draw?

On August 08 2013 17:10 Grackaroni wrote:
That was late lol, with your who voted for Oberyn?? post I was under the impression you guys didn't put much effort into your election.

On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote:

Piece of Shit reporting for dut
I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you.

@All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's

On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town.

After that he started making posts such


This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation.

Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody

Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting.

There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions.

@Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed?

On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote:
ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys

On August 10 2013 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about.

On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:

It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.

On August 10 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:

Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum.

On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...

On August 11 2013 15:46 Grackaroni wrote:

Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe.

On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote.
Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone.

In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night.
Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum :
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni

Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had.

On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:

I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts :


Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.

On August 11 2013 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:

that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him.

I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town)

Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on.

On August 13 2013 05:46 Grackaroni wrote:
I really just look at everything that goes into the thread and makes assumptions from there, maybe not the best assumption with yamato being scum but still not a bad one. (besides Onegu has confirmed that I was right.) At the time I also think I believed they only elected Oberyn because of lore.

jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. -oberyn

With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you -Onegu

For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. -Yamato

A lot of time being wasted on this supposed scum slip.


I want clarification on this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. If you truly believe this why did you fake claim?

On August 16 2013 09:59 Grackaroni wrote:

I pushed you while I was reading the thread, I skimmed your filter and saw no real thought process and lots of useless spam, and added with Iamp's read on you decided you were someone who had a good chance of flipping scum.

On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote:
DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow.

On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.

I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,

##Vote: Johnnywup

On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?

Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister-
Xatalos
Gumshoe
Iamperfection
Grackaroni

So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town.

Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him.

Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.

On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:


Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me?

Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness

1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check.
2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching.
3) Cop-claim lives to d4.
4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL.

So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM.

How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto.

On August 19 2013 03:17 Clarity_nl wrote:


Which could be either sharrant being scum or mocsta being framed. If there is a scum framer mocsta was the most likely target. You're talking in circles.

How do you feel about an onegu lynch?

On August 19 2013 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah you're right, scum don't ever make cases, my mistake. Good argument.

On August 19 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Sharrant said on D3 end his scumreads were Koshi and SnB. Now if Sharrant is town and scum have a framer why the fuck would they frame Mocsta over Koshi/SnB?

You are not even reading the posts you are arguing about and somehow you get to say "fuck you" to me. Now again, why do you think Mocsta was the most likely frame target?

On August 19 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Interesting. So if you are scum and become a lord on D5 you "just win the game". How is that?