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On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote: Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?
Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni
So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town.
Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him.
Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.
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well I've just found out I wasn't supposed to post the house list. too late now.
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On August 08 2013 15:21 Xatalos wrote: Are there scummy players in other Houses? Something really interesting that happened during N0 and should be shared? Well why don't we deal with our house first, we have to start somewhere and Iamp has told me he is going to push me for being apathetic and having a lack of interest. I feel like I was spending a lot of effort in my pm's with you. Have i been too apathetic?
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This Oats/Yamato argument is a waste of time. @Yamato Is there anybody in your house who you think is scum?
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On August 08 2013 15:46 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote: Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. I wonder. You shared your decreasing confidence in iamperfection, but you never considered switching off him with me. Or did you talk about that with gumshoe? Obviously I thought about it but you made it clear to me that you weren't feeling like switching right before you went to bed and Gumshoe told me he was confident in him vote as well. I'm not going to deny our house a lord because I was null on him.
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I don't think that we need to worry about scum wiping out houses. Easier just to kill off town lords in houses where they can slip in scum lords and take control of day kills which now definitely hits town. Rather than spend 4 KP killing 4 players in a house to remove 1 day kill that COULD hit scum...
I think we might as well just reveal at this point. (and hope no 3p Stark slaughters my house for vengeance lol)
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Also with 24 players this thread is going to be a nightmare to read if we don't stop arguing with one another over and over with the same accusations. (looking at you Yamato/Oats)
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@Onegu what is going on in house Martell? Did you vote for Oberyn? Was there any reason for him being voted aside from his name?
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That was late lol, with your who voted for Oberyn?? post I was under the impression you guys didn't put much effort into your election.
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On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them.
I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro)
these are the pieces of shit that come to mind
FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else
Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia
Grack- Mia since last night
Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt
nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms
Sharrant- as stated before Piece of Shit reporting for duty! I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you.
@All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's
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On August 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote: also i find it absolutely hilarious that people think lurkers cant be scum they almost always are.
herp derp iamp is scum because he wants to kill scum There definitely could be scum in lurkers but it's scummy to just not bother looking at active players because you have decided the entire scum team is lurking.
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Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town.
After that he started making posts such
On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation.
On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote: One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody
Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting.
There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions.
@Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed?
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ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys
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On August 09 2013 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote: ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys I read it. I don't really agree simply because I see townies do this all the time. They enter like halfway through day 1 but act like it's still the first hours of the game. Because to them it feels that way. Could you comment on my points on Oberyn? didn't think I'd need to ask, since you seemed willing to look into people if we asked you and I just made a giant post about him.. I didn't really know what to make of that at first but after seeing Rayne's post there's nothing wrong with it. he was already suspicious of acro and just didn't feel like bringing it into the thread yet as opposed to having one thing make him vote and then feeling the need to justify it later by making up reasons he was suspicious of him before.
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On August 09 2013 18:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote: ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys I read it. I don't really agree simply because I see townies do this all the time. They enter like halfway through day 1 but act like it's still the first hours of the game. Because to them it feels that way. Could you comment on my points on Oberyn? didn't think I'd need to ask, since you seemed willing to look into people if we asked you and I just made a giant post about him.. I didn't really know what to make of that at first but after seeing Rayne's post there's nothing wrong with it. he was already suspicious of acro and just didn't feel like bringing it into the thread yet as opposed to having one thing make him vote and then feeling the need to justify it later by making up reasons he was suspicious of him before. I don't really know he's pretty null for me.
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On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote: One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum? In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn?
Koshi read town to me in his arguments with DI. (DI too)
I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Acro I'm really not sure about, I'll look over him tomorrow because I actually am tired.
As for Jrkirby. @clarity, how many of those inexperienced players made posts like that in the middle of the game and then left without really talking about any player with anyone?
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On August 09 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:58 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 09 2013 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dandel, you did play in Ego right? I hosted Ego Oh fuck, wrong game. I meant RED. :D Did you play in that one, if you did, do you remember what happened with grackaroni in that game? I got called out by palmar as town for making awkward posts that weren't directed at specific people. Got frustrated. Woke up early in the morning to try to get some valid reads and was shot by you 1/2 way through day 1. Good fun
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On August 09 2013 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nevermind, the main point is this:
In Red there is a mason group of me, hapa, acro and grack. Acro thinks he is talking in scum QT (lol) and claims a vote rigger. Grack sees this and what´s his response. He immediately claims his role in the mason QT. Then he posts some "not so bright stuff" in thread and gets hc-tunneled by Palmar for the rest of his game.
Look at his first post in this game. He immediately lays out everything he has gathered on N0, not thinking about if he should claim who his housemates are or not.
This post in itself and compared to Red Teams Prize screams that Grackaroni is town. I'm pretty sure my response was to laugh and i said that I saw that he said he was vote rigger after he edited it out. None of us caught onto that he thought our qt was the scum qt.
Also my first comment was that I thought Sinai was scum and I got picked apart for not addressing my posts at anyone. Well Sinani was scum and Palmar was convinced he wasn't so
Back to important stuff. Can you explain the meta more clearly. What can you know from that one 24 hour period?
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On August 09 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 19:38 Grackaroni wrote:On August 09 2013 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nevermind, the main point is this:
In Red there is a mason group of me, hapa, acro and grack. Acro thinks he is talking in scum QT (lol) and claims a vote rigger. Grack sees this and what´s his response. He immediately claims his role in the mason QT. Then he posts some "not so bright stuff" in thread and gets hc-tunneled by Palmar for the rest of his game.
Look at his first post in this game. He immediately lays out everything he has gathered on N0, not thinking about if he should claim who his housemates are or not.
This post in itself and compared to Red Teams Prize screams that Grackaroni is town. I'm pretty sure my response was to laugh and i said that I saw that he said he was vote rigger after he edited it out. None of us caught onto that he thought our qt was the scum qt. Also my first comment was that I thought Sinai was scum and I got picked apart for not addressing my posts at anyone. Well Sinani was scum and Palmar was convinced he wasn't so Back to important stuff. Can you explain the meta more clearly. What can you know from that one 24 hour period? Except that i caught that and i was sure Acro was mafia from that post. I however had my reasons to be quiet about it (i was the imbalanced half town, half mafia, half SK role who needed all masons dead). If i was 100% town or if Hapahauli caught that comment Acrofales would have been 100% lynched on D1 based purely on him claim. The point is that your play early on is 100% in line with that game. You don´t think much about what you say. You lay out information you have (even if it might harm you). I would think you would be far more restricted if you were mafia. That being said, can you explain what Dandel pointed out from your post about Solstice? You said after your role was out that you believed I was the most likely mafia in our group and that's why you shot me. What is there to explain? I inferred that is what happened from all of the baratheon perspectives. I don't have a town read on him. He hasn't contributed much but I'm not going to hold The Lord vote against him.
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On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote: I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI.
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On August 10 2013 04:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote: I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI. Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons? I don't think I'm really inventing my own reasons. s0lstice not voting his townread from a scum or town pov = irrational. town it's illogical, scum not a logical move because it makes you look scummy and is so easy to avoid. he clearly was angry at DI. He came out and said that he wouldn't vote DI because if he was somehow scum he would just get caught d1, shoot a townie and waste the check.
I read into that a little bit deeper and decided that I thought this was his thought process. "F DI, he's not better than me, if he's scum he's just going to be obv scum and use all our powers, f that I'm voting chrom.
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On August 10 2013 04:57 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 04:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 04:22 Chromatically wrote:Sorry I've been pretty busy today, tomorrow should be better activity-wise. I will be here for the lynch. I agree with coordinating KP to shoot lurkers, particularly the plan where we set up an order to shoot in so that we don't waste KP. Tofu would be my preferred shot right now, as he's a total lurker other than a very small contribution with Acro's opening post (something that I disagree with). As far as the lynch goes, I'm still working on Solstice. Not sure yet. If not, I'd like Grack or Koshi, maybe Kirby or Onegu as a lynch today. Grack had the really bad opening post, and I don't like how he just made up excuses for Sol. On August 09 2013 18:50 Grackaroni wrote: I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing)
Sol has repeated his thought process several times, and no part of it was ever that he was irrationally mad at DI. If Grack actually thought that this was Sol's reasoning, then he had to consider that Sol was lying, which is a whole other problem that shouldn't result in a town read. I can't see a reason for Grack to totally ignore Sol's explanation and make up his own if he's honestly trying to figure out Sol's alignment. meh it seems like something I would do. DI described s0lstice as getting into a hissy. I've determined from the posts that DI was likely being rather obnoxious n0. Also I didn't say it was a town read, null read, just don't blame him for not voting DI. Sol has made it clear what his reasons were for not voting DI. Why would you invent your own reasons instead of using the ones that Sol actually used? What would your read on Sol be if you were using his stated reasons? I don't think I'm really inventing my own reasons. s0lstice not voting his townread from a scum or town pov = irrational. town it's illogical, scum not a logical move because it makes you look scummy and is so easy to avoid. he clearly was angry at DI. He came out and said that he wouldn't vote DI because if he was somehow scum he would just get caught d1, shoot a townie and waste the check. I read into that a little bit deeper and decided that I thought this was his thought process. "F DI, he's not better than me, if he's scum he's just going to be obv scum and use all our powers, f that I'm voting chrom. You are inventing your own reasons. Sol has said that he still believes in his reasons and would use them again. He's defended them even though pretty much everyone disagreed with them. It's pretty clear that he wasn't just rage-voting me. If you think that Sol not voting for his townread is illogical, do you find it scummy? Do you think that town Sol makes regularly makes illogical moves like that? I think DI said that Sol was pming those kind of reasons to him after I made that post so I couldn't have been too off.
On August 09 2013 19:34 Dandel Ion wrote: tho i guess I'll look at grack's posts in particular.
I just found it peculiar that grackamole talks about our exchanges in a way that suggests that he heard about them by solstice, he has the same kind of "bias" towards it, and not all of it got conveyed into the thread in the proportions it happened. It sounded like the retelling of information solstice would have given him, because the points grack uses to excuse sol are the kind of shit sol tried to excuse himself out of actually answering (to) me. Peculiar, peculiar. maybe I misread this quote but I thought DI was confirming that Sol tried to use that excuse with him as well, so I couldn't be too far off.
It seems like a more townie mistake to me, to get annoyed during an emotional argument and irrationally not vote for his town read, rather than a scum calling somebody town and then just slipping up and voting for Chromatically instead. Scum generally tend to be more careful than that and it doesn't seem like a real scum mistake to me.
I have no clue if s0l regularly makes illogical moves like that but I doubt it. I think it was just due to emotions getting in the way of logic.
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Hah I need to start proofreading my posts
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@Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes?
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On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:21 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote: yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him.
I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town.
His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it." It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy. Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres. Look, I already told you guys who to lynch. Why were you so mad at oats at the start of the game for not allowing you to get a read on him when you don't care enough to allow others to get a read on you?
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I don't really see as town how you could genuinely be angry at oats and then be a complete hypocrite to what you expect from others
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On August 10 2013 05:28 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote: @Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes? Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote: Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything? Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum. I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not. I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about.
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@Yamato, Please write out a case on S&B
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On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read?
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On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.
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On August 10 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post. when did I say this in my post? But I'm sure there were people that came into the thread with more pro-town first posts than my own. I try to make my posts as pro-town as possible obviously, but there are lots of town and some people are better at making posts that are pro-town than I am.
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On August 10 2013 05:54 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything? How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post? This is Oats' first post: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So who is scum so far from the 6 houses? my house seems pretty townie Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum. It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help. They absolutely could have helped if Xata was willing to argue with my reads in the thread like I had wanted him to do. But apparently he prefers tunneling in private and then not using any of the responses he gets to influence his reads.
On August 08 2013 15:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:21 Xatalos wrote: Are there scummy players in other Houses? Something really interesting that happened during N0 and should be shared? Well why don't we deal with our house first, we have to start somewhere and Iamp has told me he is going to push me for being apathetic and having a lack of interest. I feel like I was spending a lot of effort in my pm's with you. Have i been too apathetic? But instead he chose not to respond to me and then came back in later and said that my post generated no discussion. ( I do think Xata is town, just not particularly pleased with him)
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On August 10 2013 06:00 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything? How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post? This is Oats' first post: On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So who is scum so far from the 6 houses? my house seems pretty townie Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum. It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help. Yes, Oats´post was way more scummy to me than Gracks. Why? Because I was trying to progress the thread.
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On August 10 2013 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote: A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu! Did I say he's a loyalist? He's basically a lurker lynch. Didn't we all agree we have KP for that? It's a policy lynch, coinflip. What information do we gain if he flips town? I like an onegu lynch. Risen are you ever going to explain your scumread on me? Apparantly I'm your main lynch candidate. Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum.
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On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch?
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On August 10 2013 06:14 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch? Because of your bad first post and weird Solstice defense. It also got a reaction from you that I liked. But my first post wan't really bad and I don't get how the s0lstice defense makes me mafia. I did put in the effort to have a go at making a case on kirby even though it got shot down. That didn't get factored into your read of me?
The order of your suspicions are important to me, because right now I think that Koshi looks a lot better than Kirby or Onegu, and oftentimes I believe scum like to call out other scum in their posts and place them in a group of people they would consider lynching and then choose townies to be slightly more scummy. That way later on they can point out that they were suspicious of the scum. I don't agree with you thinking me or Koshi is more suspicious than onegu/kirby right now.
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Rayn where do you fall in on this, you were reading my dialogue with chromatically earlier.
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I just feel like he was grasping at straws with my first post and that he picked out my s0lstice reasoning because it was different from what thread thought at the time instead of it being scummy.
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On August 10 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don´t see why does that make you mafia (mainly because your first post was not bad). I don´t also know where he is trying to head with that? Like is he trying to get you lynched or what´s the point? Not about me more what about what you think that says about chromatically's alignment
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On August 10 2013 06:30 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:14 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch? Because of your bad first post and weird Solstice defense. It also got a reaction from you that I liked. But my first post wan't really bad and I don't get how the s0lstice defense makes me mafia. I did put in the effort to have a go at making a case on kirby even though it got shot down. That didn't get factored into your read of me? The order of your suspicions are important to me, because right now I think that Koshi looks a lot better than Kirby or Onegu, and oftentimes I believe scum like to call out other scum in their posts and place them in a group of people they would consider lynching and then choose townies to be slightly more scummy. That way later on they can point out that they were suspicious of the scum. I don't agree with you thinking me or Koshi is more suspicious than onegu/kirby right now. Your first post was bad, I'd consider it the scummiest first post in the thread, and the Sol defense didn't make sense from a town POV until you explained it. I did factor your Kirby case in. I'm not convinced on any of them. Why do you think that Koshi looks better? He's actually giving reads, seems genuinely frustrated and I think he he had some problems in house chat which has made the game harder for him to play and I have certainly been there before myself.
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Sometimes when you just get picked apart from the start you really do just lose motivation as town.
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On August 10 2013 06:40 Chromatically wrote: I'm going to be in a car for a few hours, I'll make a decision then.
##Unvote If you are town, I suggest a vote on onegu or jrkirby. Consider what I said about Koshi
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On August 11 2013 14:15 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey someone's house doesnt have a lord.
What does this mean? It means Oats cannot count
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We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...
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On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway
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On August 11 2013 14:29 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference you're right that was stupid.
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On August 11 2013 14:34 Chromatically wrote: What did you think was the town benefit of saying that? none really. I saw Onegu asking questions about it and got an urge to answer.
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to be fair if there's any scum in the lords they already knew that the kp direct at gumshoe had to be > 6 so hopefully it shouldn't cause too enormous of an impact.
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Yes. I did consider this as well after i said that in thread but more likely he was shot additionally by a townie with kp. Scum could have gotten a free lynch from Gumshoe today...
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On August 11 2013 15:19 Oberyn wrote: I've got to get to bed and I'm not sure I'll be able to be very active the first half of the cycle, but something that comes to mind:
gumshoe has 7 kp.
The Lords shoot 6 kp, meaning the mafia likely finished him off.
4 players knew it would take a single kp to finish off gumshoe. The mafia obviously aren't going to spend more kp than they have to on a 2 post inactive like gumshoe.
Extreme FOS to the players who had knowledge of his hp check. Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe.
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On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now. Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over. Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7. One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum: iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well? Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone.
In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had.
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On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now. Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over. Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7. One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum: iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well? Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts :
On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote: Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well.
On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote: ## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.
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On August 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now. Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over. Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7. One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum: iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well? Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote: Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote: ## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp. I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town. That is a good point, maybe someone not so communicative made the shot idk. But answer me this.
If I'm scum and I messaged somebody that gumshoe is 1 kp from death, don't you think I would have told them how much hp iamp/xatalos had and they would have used the correct amount of kp and there would be somebody else dead besides gumshoe? (Xatalos and Iamp both come to mind as good targets)
Aside from that... I'm in Gumshoe's house... I sent him a polite PM asking him if he could skim the thread and pm his thoughts because he would surely die in the night immediately after he posted in thread. He wasn't interested enough to pm me back. He clearly isn't coming back and is just going to be a nuisance to town.
Why do I kill him?
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On August 11 2013 18:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely) Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever. that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him.
I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town)
Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on.
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If no townie comes forward and claims the shot to their lord then I will consider that somebody slipped it. But right now I doubt it.
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On August 11 2013 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you think it's more likely that scum targeted gumshoe without knowing his hp? Or is it more likely that scum realized gumshoe had 1 hp so they just used 1kp out of like the (random guess) 12-20 they have?
If you're scum and you become aware of someone who's not scum being killable with hardly any downside, why not kill him. Especially since you're in his house, meaning you only have to convince one person to make you lord now, instead of two. He could be replaced, he could be a blue. No reason to overthink it.
The rest of scum kp could have easily hit a high hp townie or been blocked. There's 0 reason to think they would stack kp on gumshoe. But you aren't reading my posts. I have never contended that scum randomly stacked lots of kp on gumshoe.
What I've been saying earlier is they have 12-20 kp. Nobody is dead. My belief is not that it's all blocked but that they weren't sure how much hp we had so they might have spread maybe 5kp to 3 players resulting in no dead town.
I've been the black sheep of the house between xata/perfect all game. Getting rid of gumshoe wouldn't make me lord lol. What good is a blue with no town-cred and absolutely no interest in the game? he's a nuisance to town.
If there is no town that killed him then yes, it's much more likely that it was leaked and scum killed him for having 1 hp rather than using real amounts of kp on him. But I'm confident enough in xata/perfects alignments that I'm quite sure it was a town shot.
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On August 11 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 18:46 Ace wrote: I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet.
@Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad. your reasoning is 'there may not be scum in every house' Thats bad. Really bad. Whar's bad about that? for all we know house tyrell could be all scum.
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On August 11 2013 18:54 Xatalos wrote: Here is my Onegu reasoning if you're wondering:
Okay, so: I suggest you go to Nuclear Winter Mafia and open Onegu's filter (he was town). I think there are similarities here (somewhat lacking activity level, somewhat passive behaviour etc.). There are also some posts like this that make me believe he's town: "This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game." Seems like an honest and spontaneous opinion that doesn't fit with a Mafia mindset.
It feels like he's a bit less aggressive and more "protective" (giving townreads etc.) so it's not all the same. Do you think he's playing to his town meta? I think it's pretty close but there could be a small difference... Maybe that means he's scum this time around. But I'd still lean on town for now.
TLDR: probably town What's the point of using meta if you don't look at scum games too?
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On August 11 2013 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 18:57 Ace wrote: Oats you're going to have to go into detail and show why. So far I have seen nothing that suggests every house has to have Scum. If there is something that I don't know about point it out.
DI where were you confirmed Town? And um yea, understanding your thought process is a pretty big deal. Why using setup speculation to defend yourself is bad? Come on Ace. You're using setup speculation to accuse him lol. Quit trolling.
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On August 12 2013 07:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:47 Oberyn wrote: It's worth noting that I told iamp I thought FT should be shot and asked if they'd consider a yamato lynched. He was not open to consideration.
I then PM'd iamp stating that I want yamato moved up to the priority night kill. He disagreed and insisted that gumshoe and kush be shot first.
I asked Acro about his thoughts on night hits, including yamato's name and he said that he was too busy in PMs to reply. He completely dodged the question.
Chromatically put yamato last on his list of night shots behind gumshoe, kush, and johnnywup stating that yamato will likely be lynched today. Things to check: Was iamp's gumshoe/kush needs to be shot first stance consistent with his stance during the day? If not he was [i]possibly[i/] possibly just trying to avoid wasting KP on yamato. Sentiment seems to be that everyone wanted to hit gumshoe who was lurking. Other explanation is scum protecting a buddy but I don't see any reasons yet for this to hold. Did chromatically know about yamato being checked when he told you he would likely be lynched the next day? Acro not responding to your PMs isn't really strange since he might not trust you. from pm's "For the kp i will use it as i use any vig shot nonsense to lurkers to scum reads to people i don't like in that order" -Iamp
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On August 12 2013 07:52 iamperfection wrote: now mr grack would you say gumshoe would fall into the nonsense category? Of course
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On August 12 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote: now why would mr ace think that it would be weird that i would push for gumshoe to die considering he probably hates nonsense more than anybody? (hint there are 3 possibilities) I don't think he was it was saying it was weird. Only that since you deflected the shot away from Yamato if you had a contrary view to shooting lurkers then you would be more suspicious.
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On August 10 2013 11:44 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:21 iamperfection wrote:On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote: ## vote tofu you dont have a vote you jib jub rofl even i knew that Lies!
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On August 12 2013 12:08 Oberyn wrote: ##Vote yamato77
I haven't been around a computer all day, but I should be available most of tomorrow. The thread should be made aware that I am not a watcher and Onegu is not a 1-shot medic. It was probably a long shot, but I have received no information regarding the identity of the roleblocker. Carry on. Who came up with this idea, you or Onegu?
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I really just look at everything that goes into the thread and makes assumptions from there, maybe not the best assumption with yamato being scum but still not a bad one. (besides Onegu has confirmed that I was right.) At the time I also think I believed they only elected Oberyn because of lore.
jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. -oberyn
With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you -Onegu
For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. -Yamato
A lot of time being wasted on this supposed scum slip.
On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. I want clarification on this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. If you truly believe this why did you fake claim?
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@Acro, I will say in Rayne's defense that he seemed to be genuinely rereading red team's prize to try to improve his read on me and even though he didn't conclude anything from it, it seems rather unnecessary for him to do as scum.
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On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote:I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing. Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is So how does rayn come out scummy from this? Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 06:23 Grackaroni wrote: @Acro, I will say in Rayne's defense that he seemed to be genuinely rereading red team's prize to try to improve his read on me and even though he didn't conclude anything from it, it seems rather unnecessary for him to do as scum. Do you think rayn is scum or town? Did you find Acro's case convincing? Rayn is probably town. No I was not particularly impressed.
@Acro could you briefly explain why Johnnywup is lynch bait? Is it the fact that he doesn't care about looking scummy?
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On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2? Especially Xatalos. i dont know perhaps you should ask them, acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it. ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town? If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop? Is that what you're getting at?
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On August 15 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi has done the most towniest thing in thread today, I already questioned people about it and noone was able to see it. :/
Was it this exchange? oh god please tell me it was this!
On August 14 2013 18:15 Koshi wrote: Also, who did the Lords shoot tonight? the 3 towns dieing are not coming from the Lords, so in the House Lanister is still a mole. Xatalos or Grack. I am going with Xatalos. Pure gut.
On August 14 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote: Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.
at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.
It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks. Oh wow. This is completely true. Otherwise iamp would be dead day 1. Good news, I didn't like Grack as scum tbh but evidence was against him.
On August 14 2013 23:31 Koshi wrote: Xatalos is clear then as well. gutfeeling is gone. This flip-flop just read very genuine to me
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On August 15 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote: I need to know if Onegu's claim was real, is he really One-shot-medic? This is important cause we need to think about the chance that there is a 1-shot cop in this game compared to normal cop. If there really was 1-sh-med and medic too then that makes Sharrant's claim more credible.
Usually when there are 1-shot-roles then there are multiple or none in a game of this size, 1-shot and standard seems unlikely.
Also, did anyone else notice Chrom, s0lstice and Grackdisappearing?
I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed
On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why?
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On August 15 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote: I need to know if Onegu's claim was real, is he really One-shot-medic? This is important cause we need to think about the chance that there is a 1-shot cop in this game compared to normal cop. If there really was 1-sh-med and medic too then that makes Sharrant's claim more credible.
Usually when there are 1-shot-roles then there are multiple or none in a game of this size, 1-shot and standard seems unlikely.
Also, did anyone else notice Chrom, s0lstice and Grackdisappearing? I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why? Is Onegu your scumread?If so, your only one? Sorry I was taking a crap. I'm a lot more unsure about Onegu as of late. Oberyn obviously trusted him a good deal so he must be doing some good stuff in pm's. I've been taking some notes on S&B's filter and unfortunately clarity beat me to it but I'll still put in some of my thoughts.
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What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato.
On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you.
On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you.
He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning.
On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote: Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further.
On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence.
Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote: Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum. Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts.
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On August 15 2013 05:08 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:59 Grackaroni wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:What stood out to me first is his interactions with Yamato. On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. On August 10 2013 06:08 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).
His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. He gives out these strong accusations of Yamato trying to make things up to suit his agenda, and see that Yamato has done nothing this game but fight with Oats over dumb stuff at the start of the game and not scum hun, Then he plants his vote on Onegu with weak reasoning. On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote: Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him.
So ##vote: onegu At this point of the game he should have a better case for Yamato being scum, (not scumhunting, shitting up the thread, having an agenda) and chooses to ignore it and not pressure Yamato further. On August 13 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread.
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend.
I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck.
I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially.
But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. typing bro i see no reason to talk abotu the yamato situation since he claimed scum and we're killing him. cool that sharrant chose a good target. i thought some about shooting yamato but since i didnt do it and didn't actually push him it doesn't matter. if you're trying to decide whether i'm scum, make sure you think a little bit about his push on me, also, and explain how we could be teammates before you shoot me. i mean obviously its possible that he was trying to bus me, but i would argue scum would be unlikely to bus their teammate who won a lordship and then was not going to be active enough to defend himself until after a full round of vig shots. i see no real reason to talk about the oberyn fakeclaim situation either. actually, here's something - i would say that the scum roleblocker may not have claimed because he knew oberyn and onegu were lying (either onegu or oberyn being scum in that case) but it's also possible that they were inactive. it seems unlikely that they would have called their bluff completely, given that jk is such a good fakeclaim for that scenario and that it was mentioned in the thread, but that can't be ruled out either. so i don't think we can be like "omg someone leaked the plan lynch into oberyn and onegu". That said, it does make them deserving of some extra scrutiny as compared to any random person in the game, i guess. so yeah there you go, a paragraph where i don't really say anything, happy? I thought this post was scummy, he comes in with this long post and says nothing besides, I didn't actually push Yamato but we were fighting with each other so we can't be scum together. Then adds in this last paragraph where he knows he's not adding anything and justifies it by adding in the last sentence. Aside from that yes, the activity hasn't been the best and he only pushes Risen for not having logical reads which doesn't seem to be alignment indicative for Risen. I didn't really think yamato was scum at that point, I just thought he was being an asshole and I was getting pissed. Also I was already out of town at that point. My reasoning for voting onegu was that he was the lynch candidate who I agreed with the cases against the most. I talked about those cases a bit but it's true that my reasoning was not explained in detail. I was out of town camping with my girlfriend and put in as much time as I felt like on my vote. And you seriously are calling me scum for the fact that my post explaining why I wasn't talking doesn't say anything??? That's the whole point of that post! I had just been accused by acro for not contributing, during the time while I was typing my Risen case. I decided to be a bit snarky and explain in detail why I decided not to talk about some of the things that acro apparently thought I should have talked about. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KILL ME SHOULD READ YAMATO'S FILTER AND EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS PUSHING ME, HIS TEAMMATE, FOR INACTIVITY AND "NOT CARING" WHILE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWING THAT I WOULD BE GONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND UNABLE TO RESPOND.Seriously, I can't believe you are making a yamato connection case to argue i'm scum. Not the first post explaining why you weren't talking. The post after that you made responding to Acro, when he asked you to contribute any of your thoughts. yeah the one you quoted is the one i'm talking about The post I quoted didn't have anything to do with you explaining why you weren't talking?
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@S&B Understand that when I read through your filter it seemed to me that your top scum read was Yamato77, but then you placed a vote on Onegu over Yamato for lack of scumhunting, then when the next day asked to contribute anything you said that since you guys were suspicious of each other you couldn't be scum.
If you did not actually believe Yamato was scum then I am mistaken. Will read through other filters. I am still interested though since S&B sent lots of PM's if anyone has PM's that contradict what S&B says about not thinking Yamato was scum at the time.
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Sorry I haven't gotten to posting in the thread recently, I've been busy. Reading through now.
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On August 16 2013 08:09 johnnywup wrote: scum: rayn, vivax, xata, maybe s&b and grack and MAYBE mocsta. possibly koshi as well.
town: rest
and s&b risens logic is infallible there. what townie posts a town list when they're talking about who they want shot? I can't resist pointing out the incorrectness that If I was on a scum team with Xatalos I would not have been voting for Perfect when town was less confident in him being town.
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Would like some opinions from people more familiar with DI. DI's filter is getting lazier and less interested every single day cycle. Day1 is the easiest day to act pro-town and he seems to have gotten progressively scummier over time and shows little interest in the lynches.
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On August 16 2013 08:52 kushm4sta wrote: @risen they will still lynch me because they are scum.
About di: being hopelessly wrong doesn't make him scum. Capable of extreme laziness as town. Kush level laziness. I have a town read on him currently due to his active early game. Show town one player who is more likely to flip scum than yourself. You can't troll all game and then complain when you start getting shot lol.
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On August 16 2013 09:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:37 Grackaroni wrote: Would like some opinions from people more familiar with DI. DI's filter is getting lazier and less interested every single day cycle. Day1 is the easiest day to act pro-town and he seems to have gotten progressively scummier over time and shows little interest in the lynches. Are you scum? Like. I can name one thing which makes DI con-fucking-firmed town regardless of how he trolls and how lazy he is. It was a kinda big thing that happened. No meta required. Dandel IonAnd yeah, Risen, I am not afraid of saying that, because unless all of scum had their brains scooped out and replaced with jello, they already have him marked as confirmed town. Where's this coming from? I already made it clear I was still catching up on the thread.
My gut tells me that the claim was a desperation move from a 3 Party with no chance of making it into the endgame at the current state of the game, but he needs to be lynched regardless so I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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On August 16 2013 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote: So you didn't bother reading the thread before pushing me? I pushed you while I was reading the thread, I skimmed your filter and saw no real thought process and lots of useless spam, and added with Iamp's read on you decided you were someone who had a good chance of flipping scum.
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On August 16 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: From mafia wiki A Survivor is a lone player whose goal is to live until any other faction achieves their Win Condition, be it Town or scum. If the Survivor dies, it loses. Survivors are not known for getting any kind of compensation to help them achieve their Win Condition.
....... In theory vivax if survivor can win with town... ....... I might be able to buy the survivor claim... But the addition of jk is too hard to swallow
I suspect he will flip scum rb.
........... Aside from that... Johnnywup martyr post stink so bad. He says he is demotivated, and I would like to know why. He's received fuck all pressure and when I ask him to justify his reads. He ignores me. I'm still willing to consider bad town because of the guy below
Grackeroni..... This guys entry into the day is suspect and the posts stink. He's coming in to throw shit at people.
I suggest lord no be taken off kush and focus fired on this guy... Or if u must kill kush. Then prioritize this guy over johnny
..... lol ok you're right. No more shit throwing. We are all town here. It was wrong of me to suspect people with scummy filters.
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Also what exactly is suspect about my entry into the day?
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On August 16 2013 10:05 Dandel Ion wrote: also iamp didn't even read me as scum lol He started off with a town read on you d1, then moved you down to null for your posts the 2nd day also pointing out your lack of interest in lynches, and like I said, Your content in posts seems to decrease each day cycle.
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It's not even really Iamp's read on you that matters to me it's the way he analyzes your play. And I wanted to see if other people thought the same way about you.
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On August 16 2013 10:12 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:08 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 10:05 Dandel Ion wrote: also iamp didn't even read me as scum lol He started off with a town read on you d1, then moved you down to null for your posts the 2nd day also pointing out your lack of interest in lynches, and like I said, Your content in posts seems to decrease each day cycle. how do you know that if you don't even read the thread. 1) PM's are a useful function. 2) Aside from PM's I know Iamp's opinion from Xatalos. Who posted his Last will updates prior to the point where I left for the day, yesterday. Meaning that I had read all of those posts already. 3) I have read the thread, you know, during the time that I said "Catching up, reading the thread now"
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On August 16 2013 10:12 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:08 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 10:05 Dandel Ion wrote: also iamp didn't even read me as scum lol He started off with a town read on you d1, then moved you down to null for your posts the 2nd day also pointing out your lack of interest in lynches, and like I said, Your content in posts seems to decrease each day cycle. how do you know that if you don't even read the thread. Or would you prefer I had said the less logical answer, I am scum and I randomly made up Iam's view on you for town cred without reading the thread, and really have no idea what he thought of you.
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On August 16 2013 10:20 Dandel Ion wrote: Acro calls grack out for a shitty read: "lol sorry i didn't read the thread"
I call him out for not reading the thread: "I actually read the thread"
wat do Honestly you are ridiculous, I've already told you many times that I made that post WHILE READING THE THREAD. (which consisted of about 20 pages for me to read)
I will bold again in caps for emphasis. I MADE THAT POST WHILE READING THE THREAD Do I need to do it again?
I did not get to the post where you say that town must eliminate all anti-town elements before posting my thoughts on you. Obviously if I'm in the process of reading the thread, eventually I will have read the thread. What is so difficult for you?
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On August 16 2013 10:26 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:25 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 10:20 Dandel Ion wrote: Acro calls grack out for a shitty read: "lol sorry i didn't read the thread"
I call him out for not reading the thread: "I actually read the thread"
wat do Honestly you are ridiculous, I've already told you many times that I made that post WHILE READING THE THREAD. (which consisted of about 20 pages for me to read) I will bold again in caps for emphasis. I MADE THAT POST WHILE READING THE THREAD Do I need to do it again? I did not get to the post where you say that town must eliminate all anti-town elements before posting my thoughts on you. Obviously if I'm in the process of reading the thread, eventually I will have read the thread. What is so difficult for you? the difficult part is reconciling your actions with a townie mindset, currently. thanks for asking Well then explain why, what is scummy about my mindset? All I've seen from you is, lol grack scum. Didn't read the thread. Grack reading the thread obv scum. Iamp didn't say I was scum, grack scum.
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On August 16 2013 10:38 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:24 kushm4sta wrote: I have a strong town feel read on Grackeroni.
He speaks with a lot of confidence, even under pressure. I looked at his history and this is his first scum game.. I just don't see him acting like this as scum. grack kush confirmed scumteam I will agree Kush is probably scum. He flip-flopped on me at a weird timing and he hasn't come in with anyone more scummy than himself. he knows that he is going to die at this point.
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On August 16 2013 10:43 kushm4sta wrote: Vivax is more scummy than myself.
Well Played
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DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow.
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On August 16 2013 11:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. Big words. What is your power? Do u have a chance to be lord? This sounds like a frog puffing up the chest Who cares about roles/powers No, I don't think Xatalos would give me lord.
The first part of my post doesn't concern you at all? Why focus on rolefishing?
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Filter Dive Xatalos ( I know just as hard as Rayn)
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What's the point of even commenting that. You don't need to have a vote to influence a lynch, besides If Xatalos is town then I probably will be a lord at some point.
What are you saying? That if I was lord I would suddenly flip-flop on DI?
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On August 16 2013 11:20 kushm4sta wrote: townread on koshi who next s0lstice gogo!
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On August 16 2013 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: s0lstice is town who next Clarity_NL Gogo!
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Sorry if you end up town. I just wanted to see how many people from your previous scum list would become townies during this exercise. (only me, koshi and s0lstice before you stopped).
I feel like you planted this post to cast suspicion on me after you flip.
On August 16 2013 10:24 kushm4sta wrote: I have a strong town feel read on Grackeroni.
He speaks with a lot of confidence, even under pressure. I looked at his history and this is his first scum game.. I just don't see him acting like this as scum.
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On August 16 2013 11:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 11:43 Grackaroni wrote:Sorry if you end up town. I just wanted to see how many people from your previous scum list would become townies during this exercise. (only me, koshi and s0lstice before you stopped). I feel like you planted this post to cast suspicion on me after you flip. On August 16 2013 10:24 kushm4sta wrote: I have a strong town feel read on Grackeroni.
He speaks with a lot of confidence, even under pressure. I looked at his history and this is his first scum game.. I just don't see him acting like this as scum. Now this is an interesting post to keep on the backburner. I like this from u... Question though.. do u really think kush is smart enough to do that? Well I highly doubt he was looking through my game history when he doesn't even look through posts made inside the actual game that we are playing
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On August 16 2013 12:03 kushm4sta wrote: @LOL grak i did totally look through your game history. only game i saw you weren't town was when you were an angel or some shit. i fgured that was blue role.
@mocsta actually if I were scum I would start townreading scum to make them took town. LOL you actually did read through my games. Angel was scum
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Kush might not actually be the best shot tonight
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On August 16 2013 12:08 kushm4sta wrote: WHo is the one that's going to be doing the shooting.. i dont even understand how this game works lol lords are going to be the ones doing the shooting
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In my opinion I don't think Kush would bother to read through my games as scum in order to get a better read on me. I don't think any other townie has done that much. (except for Rayn and that was a game he actually played with me) I think that Lords should use their kp on DI if Vivax flips 3rd Party and on Johnnywup if Vivax is scum.
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On August 16 2013 12:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 12:03 kushm4sta wrote: @LOL grak i did totally look through your game history. only game i saw you weren't town was when you were an angel or some shit. i fgured that was blue role.
@mocsta actually if I were scum I would start townreading scum to make them took town. LOL you actually did read through my games. Angel was scum Wifom What's a higher chance Kush did a real meta read by clicking on ya profile and checking end game post of games Or Someone in scum team knows u and is feeding I don't think anybody in this game knows me or was around to read those games.
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On August 16 2013 12:26 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 12:19 Grackaroni wrote: In my opinion I don't think Kush would bother to read through my games as scum in order to get a better read on me. I don't think any other townie has done that much. (except for Rayn and that was a game he actually played with me) I think that Lords should use their kp on DI if Vivax flips 3rd Party and on Johnnywup if Vivax is scum. what? how am i more likely scum if vivax is scum? Nothing to do with connections, I just think you're likely scum period. Just find myself wanting to shoot DI right now and thinking he is likely scum for never putting any thought process in thread lately after putting actual effort in d1. Also instant delurk
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On August 16 2013 12:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 12:22 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 12:20 Mocsta wrote:On August 16 2013 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 12:03 kushm4sta wrote: @LOL grak i did totally look through your game history. only game i saw you weren't town was when you were an angel or some shit. i fgured that was blue role.
@mocsta actually if I were scum I would start townreading scum to make them took town. LOL you actually did read through my games. Angel was scum Wifom What's a higher chance Kush did a real meta read by clicking on ya profile and checking end game post of games Or Someone in scum team knows u and is feeding I don't think anybody in this game knows me or was around to read those games. I ha e heard if u before and read u a while ago I just can't remember why... I don't believe I played with u though so it's not making sense. Don't care anyways not game relevant Well let's put it this way. Do you believe that Kush as scum would check my game history?
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On August 16 2013 13:37 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. I was thinking of making Grackaroni Lord to prepare for my (likely) death, but... Ugh. If we both vote for me and I die, does Grackaroni become Lord? I guess based on the question I asked pre-game (the last remaining member becoming a perma-Lord)? Anyways, it might be somewhat useful to make Grackaroni Lord to get a better read on him. There's still the potential problem of scum gaining too much power (if Grackaroni is scum, I don't die and other Houses get scum Lords). Well, I guess I have 24 hours to decide on that. Kush and johnnywup, I haven't yet seen anything from you two to make me not want to shoot you. I would like to be lord for a cycle. Don't really know what you are rambling about I could just vote for myself
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On August 16 2013 13:44 kushm4sta wrote: SO CAN ANY LORD SHOOT ME OR JUST MY LORD SHARRANT? ANY LORD!
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On August 16 2013 13:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 13:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. I was thinking of making Grackaroni Lord to prepare for my (likely) death, but... Ugh. If we both vote for me and I die, does Grackaroni become Lord? I guess based on the question I asked pre-game (the last remaining member becoming a perma-Lord)? Anyways, it might be somewhat useful to make Grackaroni Lord to get a better read on him. There's still the potential problem of scum gaining too much power (if Grackaroni is scum, I don't die and other Houses get scum Lords). Well, I guess I have 24 hours to decide on that. Kush and johnnywup, I haven't yet seen anything from you two to make me not want to shoot you. I would like to be lord for a cycle. Don't really know what you are rambling about I could just vote for myself You have to have majority or there isnt a lord. meh, well he isn't the only person who chooses the lord in a 2 person house.
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On August 16 2013 13:52 Onegu wrote: Yeah but if you both dont choose the same person your house gets no lord. not really worth discussing. I just didn't like the way he acts like he may consider gifting me lord when I have as much of a say in the matter as he does.
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On August 16 2013 13:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 13:49 Onegu wrote:On August 16 2013 13:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 13:37 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. I was thinking of making Grackaroni Lord to prepare for my (likely) death, but... Ugh. If we both vote for me and I die, does Grackaroni become Lord? I guess based on the question I asked pre-game (the last remaining member becoming a perma-Lord)? Anyways, it might be somewhat useful to make Grackaroni Lord to get a better read on him. There's still the potential problem of scum gaining too much power (if Grackaroni is scum, I don't die and other Houses get scum Lords). Well, I guess I have 24 hours to decide on that. Kush and johnnywup, I haven't yet seen anything from you two to make me not want to shoot you. I would like to be lord for a cycle. Don't really know what you are rambling about I could just vote for myself You have to have majority or there isnt a lord. meh, well he isn't the only person who chooses the lord in a 2 person house. We can discuss this more in PMs. For now I'm open to making you Lord. Mostly I'd want to retain Lord PMs if I live, but dunno, the same can be said for showing your stances better. Are you really sure DI is scum......? Because there isn't even one game where he's played quite like this as scum AFAIK. And he has helped town, with Vivax's claim for example. We'll have to see what Vivax flips. If say DI was scum and he knew that Vivax was not on his team I feel like he may be more inclined to check the town win conditions regarding neutrals
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Lords seem a bit different lol. Also I was role blocked.
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Hah. Things are getting good. Also you had a town read on me last page. What happened Mocsta?
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@Mocsta Please explain why last night your opinion on my interactions with Kush went from townie
On August 16 2013 12:44 Mocsta wrote: Haha. I dunno I never seen him go to that effort full stop Personally I don't find it alignment indicative to open profile. Post history. And check an endgame post
I will say ur reaction is more important to me. See I ha ent read those games so dunno what he's talking about as he posted no proof. Whereas u r reading genuinely impressed/surprised and validated
This actually gives me a stronger town read on u. So ultimately it was productive.
To suddenly my interactions with him are scummy based on him flipping town.
On August 17 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:Xatalos has been so pro town... Grackaroni had some weird interactions with kush. This is where there might be a possibly of all townies in a house; thus, Kush + johnnywup are double scum... when kush dies, if he is town... grackaroni is certainly scum I think. I'm thoroughly unimpressed and now am forced to even agree with Johnnywup that your logic that all houses must have scum is faulty.
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On August 17 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 15:14 Grackaroni wrote:@Mocsta Please explain why last night your opinion on my interactions with Kush went from townie On August 16 2013 12:44 Mocsta wrote: Haha. I dunno I never seen him go to that effort full stop Personally I don't find it alignment indicative to open profile. Post history. And check an endgame post
I will say ur reaction is more important to me. See I ha ent read those games so dunno what he's talking about as he posted no proof. Whereas u r reading genuinely impressed/surprised and validated
This actually gives me a stronger town read on u. So ultimately it was productive.
To suddenly my interactions with him are scummy based on him flipping town. On August 17 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe Xatalos has been so pro town... Grackaroni had some weird interactions with kush. This is where there might be a possibly of all townies in a house; thus, Kush + johnnywup are double scum... when kush dies, if he is town... grackaroni is certainly scum I think. I'm thoroughly unimpressed and now am forced to even agree with Johnnywup that your logic that all houses must have scum is faulty. Alraedy explained in PMs "scum is a sliding scale from. probably scum -> leaning scum -> null -> leaning town -> probably town. You were leaning scum to me prior to kush. after wards, you became more town and sat @ null." You said that to explain why "this actually gives me a stronger town read on u" didn't mean you had a town read on me. That does absolutely nothing to explain why Kush flipping town changes your view on my interactions with Kush being genuine and pro-town to being weird and scummy.
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On August 17 2013 15:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 15:04 Sharrant wrote:On August 17 2013 15:00 Mocsta wrote:On August 17 2013 14:55 Sharrant wrote:On August 17 2013 14:51 Mocsta wrote:On August 17 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: I promise thats not me. What I am is this http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpbc3pWRCV1qf42pr.jpgI eat mother fuckn baby seals for breakfast... The most disapointing thing about Sharant, is that instead of qusetioning why I led the lynch on Vivax; he insta-votes and assumes theres no way to falsify a detective check. I get he can't read me; but its still disappointing. Already thought lots about it, that's why I didn't particularly mention you since you've replaced in. But let's see: You A)Replaced someone I found scummy B)Have a red check against you C)Are a player I can't read So yes, you totally could have been framed, but I find it very unlikely, and entirely worth the risk. Its OK man. Marv can't read me either when I replace in a game. Many did find jrkirby scummy; so i dont hold it against you either. Just note if you take the time to read his filter again.. did he actaully push a scummy agenda; especially now we have more flips for context.. or was he just a guy that was thinking otuside the status quo? Personally thats where I saw him.. but to each his own. If you're town, stick around and do your best for the town today and then we can trust your effort when you flip. Nah its OK I can handle having my first mislynch. I came into this game not wanting to read the thread; so that I did is alraedy way more effort than I wanted to put into the game in the first place. Ppl still doubt even after everything I done in 72hours. Theres only so much a person can do. I find it funny how lurkers like johnnywup come in instantly to discredit my 1 scum / house theory. Grackeroni discredited it in PMs as well. All i know is. I have a town read on onegu, and know im town. So tehres no scum in house martell. I also think both Clarity + SnB are town, so no scum in house stark. Thats why i have the theory of 1 scum / house. If my flip is needed for town to see that; then so be it. My prefer for lynch is Grackeroni or Rayn. I will leave my vote on Grackeroni, mainly because he came up with a lord pm to try and get a JK claim from me. ##Vote: Grackeroni lol I did that in PM for a reason but ok then. When you first flip-flopped on me I thought it was really fishy. Then I got a thought that it made you more townie because you claimed JK earlier in the game and then I was roleblocked so you must believe I'm scum for nobody dying. (Scum probably split KP). If that's not your explanation then you are either scum or just very illogical.
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On August 17 2013 16:25 Clarity_nl wrote: So I dunno, if we lynch town scum scum town I doubt we somehow lose (although I guess we lord kped two townies) That said mocsta's reaction is dumb, so let's just lynch him and if he flips green lynch lynch sharrant, no?
Acro, I doubt if scum has a majority they'll just wait and suddenly hammer someone cause that'll reveal the scumteam and I believe town can grab majority again tomorrow, right? I don't know if they have a majority, but the current lord list is fucking dumb. Like, how did this happen.
grack over xata? dandel? (to be fair their house suxxxx) Then there's me and snb... wtf.
Grackaroni = best lord
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On August 17 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 16:31 Grackaroni wrote:On August 17 2013 16:25 Clarity_nl wrote: So I dunno, if we lynch town scum scum town I doubt we somehow lose (although I guess we lord kped two townies) That said mocsta's reaction is dumb, so let's just lynch him and if he flips green lynch lynch sharrant, no?
Acro, I doubt if scum has a majority they'll just wait and suddenly hammer someone cause that'll reveal the scumteam and I believe town can grab majority again tomorrow, right? I don't know if they have a majority, but the current lord list is fucking dumb. Like, how did this happen.
grack over xata? dandel? (to be fair their house suxxxx) Then there's me and snb... wtf.
Grackaroni = best lord I liked xata. Why are you lord? He said he thought I was townie from Pm's and wanted me to interact with other lords in order to convince them I was town. Also because I wanted it.
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Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup
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On August 18 2013 19:10 Clarity_nl wrote:I guess I'm up for lynching johnny but it's for the wrong reasons. I have no idea if he's scum or town, he's completely null and useless. Don't want him around at lylo. I kinda wanna lynch grack just because of this post Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote: Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup I dunno how johnny has "the best chance of flipping scum" but that's a silly statement that means nothing. I can't tell if this post is scum just consolidating on a townie without much thought, or a bus because johnny is a lost cause, however I do know that a townie does not post this. Apparently he was talking to mocsta in pms, when everyone else wanted to kill him, because he wasn't confident in the lynch. Was anyone aware of this? I sure as hell wasn't. I don't understand why, as a townie, you would INSTEAD of saying in the thread "hey guys, I'm not too confident in this lynch/shot" you go talk to the guy who is up for getting lynched/shot?? Clearly you didn't show the fact that you doubt he's scum with him, because he fucking gave up on the game. This is a classic scumpost. Consolidate without reasons. Try to get towncred by opposing a lynch/shot on a townie (after his flip, might I add) and give out a random townread (on rayn) I'll give you some reasons if you'd prefer. Don't think you really need reasons for Johnnywup. the closest thing to scum hunting I've seen from him is one list and even that wasn't much. He's always popping in to defend himself and he has done thing for days. I would be very surprised if he wasn't scum at this point.
On August 17 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote: Clarity..
Im resigned from this game because from my POV, i was looking forward to being lord and working with my town reads (e.g. yourself/acro/xatalos). When the draw came out, i was surprised. I even messaged Acro and said outright, you are the only lord I trust. Hence, when the check came out (from someone who I have a townread on based on the yam lynch) I felt I was already lynched because ppl like rayn were most likely going to vote me even without the redcheck.
However, the events have been good for a couple reasons. #1. I dont have a scum read on Grackeroni anymore. We have been talking before/after the redcheck. Its not entirely fruitful in finding alternative scum targets; but, its more the effort. I find it really unlikely for scum to keep talking to me, and keep trying to ask why i reverted my read from null to scum. Whereas, ppl like rayn.. well, they just ignore me... Oddly enough, I expected Acro to maintain convo with me; instead he voted me, and has ignored me as well. So in short: Im liking Grack as town, and xat as town. So my 1 scum/hosue theory is debunked for now.
#2. Sharrants been bugging me with the whole "i cant read mocsta" thing... I just can't recall sharrant being like that. most of the games i played with sharrant; i have actaully replaced into, and sharrant was already MISLYNCHED!!! so hes never really had to actually divine my alignment.. but thats nitpicking. For the time being, Im going to believe the cop claim.
#3. With Grack out of the equation, im back to wanting to lynch Rayn. He pretends he was the first to want to lynch Vivax, but as we know in mafia. its not saying "i want xxx gone" its about actually pushing. What rayn did was drop everything to chase me. Im the one who actaully campaigned for a vivax lynch...
##Unvote ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet There's proof that I was talking to him in pm's, rather than me just saying that in thread for the towncred. I was leaning towards not lynching him and did tell him that in PM's, I didn't make a post on it because I wanted more time to think it over before I posted in thread. Obviously I didn't expect for him to modkill himself.
Rayn seemed townie in PM's, he pm'd me asking me to act nice towards Mocsta in PM's to try to get more information out of him. (I had already been doing so) he pm'd me saying that Mocsta was the one pushing his town reads yesterday and that he thought he caught clarity. He seemed very convinced that Mocsta was scum and went out of his way to prove it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 00:12 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:10 Grackaroni wrote: That was late lol, with your who voted for Oberyn?? post I was under the impression you guys didn't put much effort into your election. What gave you this impression, because it wasnt true between me and oberyn or kirby. Only me and Yamato didnt talk much the first night. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote:On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them.
I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro)
these are the pieces of shit that come to mind
FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else
Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia
Grack- Mia since last night
Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt
nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms
Sharrant- as stated before Piece of Shit reporting for dut I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you. @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's Here he calls out iamp for pressureing lurkers. On day one. Iamp called him out for lurking and his response isnt to come back and scum hunt, it is to attack back. This is a scum reaction not town. Then see at the end he asks for reactions from the lords without giving good impressions himself from his own PMs. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote: One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? Ok I have gone over this before, either he is making a very large leap in logic form 1-2 post about oberyn and jrkirby talking about yamato. Or he is in scum QT with yamamto and because our house didnt talk to yamato much he thinks our entire house isnt PMing each other. Look I dont mind him going after jrkirby as he hasnt played with him before, but he is going after the easiest target to geta mislynch. Then a small little tidbit about ots and yamato that means very little. And he already knows what is going on in thread as he mentions the oats yamato thing, so why does he ask who to look at? Why not look at yamato or oats sinch you said both cant be town. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote: ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys Ahhh so sad T_T Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:28 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote: @Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes? On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote: Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything? Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum. I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not. I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about. Here he defends his first post which is fine, but his very first line. Why even say that? Just defend your post if you are going to say that give examples of someone elses first post being more scummy than yours. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post. Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. My first post is totes pro town leave me alone guys. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote: A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu! Did I say he's a loyalist? He's basically a lurker lynch. Didn't we all agree we have KP for that? It's a policy lynch, coinflip. What information do we gain if he flips town? I like an onegu lynch. Risen are you ever going to explain your scumread on me? Apparantly I'm your main lynch candidate. Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum. Happy to jump on my lynch with very little justification and no specific reasons or anything new to add. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Wait didnt we find out not every lord shot him? Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 15:46 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 15:19 Oberyn wrote: I've got to get to bed and I'm not sure I'll be able to be very active the first half of the cycle, but something that comes to mind:
gumshoe has 7 kp.
The Lords shoot 6 kp, meaning the mafia likely finished him off.
4 players knew it would take a single kp to finish off gumshoe. The mafia obviously aren't going to spend more kp than they have to on a 2 post inactive like gumshoe.
Extreme FOS to the players who had knowledge of his hp check. Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe. No this isnt actully true mafia has spread out thier KP again, so you are saying is wrong, and mafia having your info helps them and lets them make thier shots correctly anyway. And because he died that night where they couldnt be certain he was at one hp without the check makes me believe they wouldnt have shot him without your info. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now. Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over. Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7. One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum: iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well? Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. I dont understand the first part, did a lord say that? They couldnt have because it was night, unless a lord told scum in PM. But what you are saying makes little sense. Second part how is that in anyway a logical conclusion? Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now. Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over. Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7. One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum: iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well? Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote: Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote: ## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. How do you get to this conclusion? Most likely scum figured out it would only take a one kp to off him and since they were all ready spreading out kp he was a easy shot for free town kill. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 18:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely) Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever. that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him. I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town) Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on. Again trying to show scum didnt take the shot, but he is off here as its not 100% lords would finish him off, he could have come back shown himself uber pro town and lords not finish him, scum didnt want to take that chance and just get the almost free townie kill. Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:46 Grackaroni wrote:I really just look at everything that goes into the thread and makes assumptions from there, maybe not the best assumption with yamato being scum but still not a bad one. (besides Onegu has confirmed that I was right.) At the time I also think I believed they only elected Oberyn because of lore. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. -oberyn With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you -Onegu For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. -Yamato A lot of time being wasted on this supposed scum slip. On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. I want clarification on this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. If you truly believe this why did you fake claim? Again you either useing a few posts to jump to the conclusion or you were talking to yamato. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:59 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote: So you didn't bother reading the thread before pushing me? I pushed you while I was reading the thread, I skimmed your filter and saw no real thought process and lots of useless spam, and added with Iamp's read on you decided you were someone who had a good chance of flipping scum. Basicly you soft push him with laziness and ask other peoples opinions on him. Not some strong scum hunting. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. What happened to this, I know we had the red check, but after that. And you are a lord. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote: Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup Yeah this is really bad, you trying to get town cred? Yoir last few posts were all how scummy mocsta was even without the red check, you were throwing him to the wolves in thread. And depending how close we are to lylo we are and only scum has this info, it is perfectly reasonable for scum to be pushimg a lynch strongly. So all of this, plus he comes in at the best times to make him look good, he doesnt post to much but he almost always had a good read on the thread like he is lurking a ton or just getting tldr from scum qt. Lynch him, try to shoot johnny. No matter what you arent going to have enough shots to kill someone during the night so get johnny low and we can finish him off later, but I think grack looks the worse of the 2. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + Wow, I'm not going to respond to this lol. You've reached a conclusion in your head and now are taking all of my posts and conveying them as scummy?
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On August 19 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: johnnywup Wagon of Justice!
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I don't agree with Rayn's reasoning btw, it isn't alignment indicative. I just think that by now Johnny would show some semblance of an interest towards scum hunting if he was town.
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@Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch.
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On August 19 2013 03:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 03:35 Koshi wrote:On August 19 2013 03:31 Onegu wrote:On August 19 2013 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:24 Onegu wrote:On August 19 2013 03:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:16 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:14 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote: @Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch. Mocsta was the lynch 100% Mocsta lynched, night falls. Scum kills three people strategically and vote for themselves as lords because lords are voted in by majority. If they get lord they get additional KP and vote, if they don't get lord at least in some places where there's now only two people one of whom is scum (see three strategical kills part) there's no lord and town doesn't get a vote. This is all correct regardless of sharrant being scum or not. And what made it so Mocsta was the lynch 100% ((the red check on Mocsta from Shar)) Which could be either sharrant being scum or mocsta being framed. If there is a scum framer mocsta was the most likely target. You're talking in circles. How do you feel about an onegu lynch? Jeez why would I make the grack case as scum? And you made a incorrect statement I showed you were wrong. Besides grack is scum, and the first point is more about him throwing shit back at the person who called him out instead of just scum hunting, and ignoreing the person who hadnt done much. Yeah you're right, scum don't ever make cases, my mistake. Good argument. Im saying why put myself out there. If I am scum I say little become a lord and win the game. There are so many lurkers now I could just blend into the crowd and use the power I will get d5. LooooooooL Koshi: Made a case vs Risen SnB: Made a case vs Johnny Grack: Voting for Johnny Rayn: Voting for Johnny So it seems like scum controls the vote in Onegu his mind and decided to lynch his other scumtarget. Or scum is not controling the vote but Grack and SnB are bussing Johnny. Nothing is set in stone with votes yet. And I am leaning less likely on SnB being scum now. So its more likely rayn, and lo and behold he just changed his vote, lets see if grack does the same. I actually might end up changing my vote, Sharrant's target being framed seems pretty unlikely and Yamato rolled over really easily after the red check even with players like Oats still believing he is town.
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On August 19 2013 06:37 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately I'll have to go sleep soon (early wake up tomorrow), and just when this voting was getting heated... Sigh. Just remember:
1) It's idiotic to lynch Sharrant (he should be shot at most, if it seems like he has to go after his mischeck, although I think that's not really a good choice considering DI's check) 2) Onegu has just felt town all around and I'd be shocked if he flipped scum - a really stupid lynch for today 3) johnnywup is clearly the best choice at the moment - also considering the difficulties in getting him lynched/shot all game, even now (!!), and the players who are trying to spare him Xatalos seal of approval. Get back on the WAGON OF JUSTICE!
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Well whatever the case lords need to come to a consensus before the deadline. I'm more inclined to lynch Johnny right now. Onegu at the very least came in to the thread and made a case on me. I haven't seen anything town-like from johnny.
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You think Onegu is the best lynch for today? Lord shots are going out at random at this point.
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I didn't make it into the endgame post. I guess I'm still alive? ##Nuke: Koshi ##Nuke: Raynepelikoneet ##Nuke: Chromatically ##Nuke: Acrofales Am I doing this right?
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On August 20 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote: Once again, I lead the votes but don't get lynched! SUCCESS!
Yeah, whatever. Mocsta should get a strong ban. "Getting modkilled so town doesn't mislynch" is exactly defined as cheating in the OP. it doesn't matter that he claims to not have known about it, it's in the op of literally every game and is a core part of the rules. I would have to agree with this. If someone was modkilled for inactivity they couldn't argue that they didn't know they had to vote because they didn't read the OP. The OP says it's cheating he should get a ban.
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On August 20 2013 23:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:23 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't make it into the endgame post. I guess I'm still alive? ##Nuke: Koshi ##Nuke: Raynepelikoneet ##Nuke: Chromatically ##Nuke: Acrofales Am I doing this right? ah the old quad nuke role. one can dream..........maybe one day Who says there is no nukes in Game of Thrones!! You just wait and watch my flip. . . I am Tyrion Lannister The Quadra Nuker.
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