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On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.
I like this.
I'll go with this. I also want to share that while oats has been really eager to convince me yamato is town, vivax has been really eager to convince me he's scum.
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On August 11 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:
I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. How do you talk with yamato? I may be forced to use the too dumb to be Blackfyre line. Are you drunk? While we're on the topic, how the flying fuck did the Starks think it was a good idea to elect you? I understand not electing Strongandbig again, but you are far from an improvement. Please explain the politics of Winterfell.
I can. Vivax voted snb and went away 12 hours before deadline.
Oats did not want to vote me, snb did not want to vote himself (he said he's be less active today)
From my perspective it was oats as lord or no lord.
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I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later.
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On August 11 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:
I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. How do you talk with yamato? I may be forced to use the too dumb to be Blackfyre line. Are you drunk? While we're on the topic, how the flying fuck did the Starks think it was a good idea to elect you? I understand not electing Strongandbig again, but you are far from an improvement. Please explain the politics of Winterfell.
read his earlier conversations with me. Poor Starks, always have shit leaders.
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On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later.
If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum?
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On August 11 2013 22:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
What happens if
A: Its a fakecheck.
B: Yamato is a miller
C: Yamato was framed.
Hm Xata? I don't believe it's A. B would be silly in a closed setup. C is possiblle, but I think it is far more likely that: D: Yamato is a Blackfyre. So yes. Lets kill him.
Miller in a closed setup?
Im shocked at your naivete Acro.
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On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum?
Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP.
Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm.
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On August 11 2013 23:11 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On August 11 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:
I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. How do you talk with yamato? I may be forced to use the too dumb to be Blackfyre line. Are you drunk? While we're on the topic, how the flying fuck did the Starks think it was a good idea to elect you? I understand not electing Strongandbig again, but you are far from an improvement. Please explain the politics of Winterfell. read his earlier conversations with me. Poor Starks, always have shit leaders.
Ace rather than flinging shit with oats which doesn't do anyone any good, have you caught up and if so could you... you know, do things?
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Nvm fail of logic. Of course if X is RB all 3 could be genuine.
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On August 11 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 22:40 Acrofales wrote:On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
What happens if
A: Its a fakecheck.
B: Yamato is a miller
C: Yamato was framed.
Hm Xata? I don't believe it's A. B would be silly in a closed setup. C is possiblle, but I think it is far more likely that: D: Yamato is a Blackfyre. So yes. Lets kill him. Miller in a closed setup? Im shocked at your naivete Acro.
Tell it clearly, Patchface, do you, or do you not support the lynching of Yamato?
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*If X is Jailor. What's wrong with me.
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OK I guess Oberyn can hide it if it's a trustworthy explanation. I'm just eager to find a scum so easily.
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On August 11 2013 23:25 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote:On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum? Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP. Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm.
But... why does you knowing the identity of X serve anybody anything. All it seems to do is sate your curiosity. Yes, I also want to know what is going on in this game, but if X is a loyalist, I don't see how revealing his identity to anybody serves anything. If his resources are limited, like onegu's, then claiming in public is fine. If he has ongoing access to his resources, I feel he should protect his identity and communicate by raven (potentially multiple ravens if he must let his lord know).
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And of course, if X doesn't claim to anybody, we can safely assume he's a Blackfyre and kill the living daylight out of him. After Yamato of course.
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So why aren't the lords that are around voting yamato yet?
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It's worth noting that I told iamp I thought FT should be shot and asked if they'd consider a yamato lynched. He was not open to consideration.
I then PM'd iamp stating that I want yamato moved up to the priority night kill. He disagreed and insisted that gumshoe and kush be shot first.
I asked Acro about his thoughts on night hits, including yamato's name and he said that he was too busy in PMs to reply. He completely dodged the question.
Chromatically put yamato last on his list of night shots behind gumshoe, kush, and johnnywup stating that yamato will likely be lynched today.
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Dunno but we need to hold lords alot more accountable than we have been, they cant keep everything out of the thread, scum hunting and reads need to be done in thread, cordinateing kp shots and hp checks is fine, but everything else should be transparant.
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On August 11 2013 23:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote:On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town.
Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum? Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP. Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm. But... why does you knowing the identity of X serve anybody anything. All it seems to do is sate your curiosity. Yes, I also want to know what is going on in this game, but if X is a loyalist, I don't see how revealing his identity to anybody serves anything. If his resources are limited, like onegu's, then claiming in public is fine. If he has ongoing access to his resources, I feel he should protect his identity and communicate by raven (potentially multiple ravens if he must let his lord know).
Although there's also the chance that I'd disagree with Oberyn's assessment. Or that Oberyn dies N2. Etc. But if X is clearly trustworthy, it shouldn't matter, it's just that I'm not so sure of that.
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wtf is with you guys? Why did you discuss the watcher situation?
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