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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 13:31 GMT
#1812
I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 13:33 GMT
#1816
We are in the same house...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 14:48 GMT
#1838
Dunno but we need to hold lords alot more accountable than we have been, they cant keep everything out of the thread, scum hunting and reads need to be done in thread, cordinateing kp shots and hp checks is fine, but everything else should be transparant.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 15:53 GMT
#1862
Rayne basicly tunneled me all of day 1...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 16:07 GMT
#1866
And rayne we need to talk about that and your thoughts and why I was so scummy, when you said because of my random bad oneliners on clairty and s0l didnt add anything, well they werent random, there wasnt anything to go off of but SnB asked my thoughts on them anyway. So I need to know what was going on in PMs to make you go after me so hard, because your in thread reasons were shit amd like you just skimmed my filter and didnt check context of why and when I had the bad posts.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 16:09 GMT
#1868
On August 12 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On August 12 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote:
Rayne basicly tunneled me all of day 1...

I have definitely not tunneled you on D1. If you are saying that you do not know the term. Or did i tunnel Acrofales, FirmTofu aswell? And every other person i expressed suspicion on?


You never got off of me. You loosened your suspicions on them at some point, for me you never did. I was always your main point.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 16:19 GMT
#1871
On August 09 2013 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On August 09 2013 18:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 09 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing. In Oberyn´s defense he was suspicious of Acro before our thing happened. He expressed his suspicion to me in PM´s and told me to not tell anyone about that (as there was this house HP stuff going on, he wanted more information from Acro regarding that). So i can see why he voted / laid out his case on Acro when he did and it makes sense to me.


Hmmm, okay. Could you specify what he said to you, does it match the reasons he laid out after his vote post?


First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this:
"Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?"

Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him.

Me:
"Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. "

Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant).

Me:
"Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up."

And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales.



See this is wrong and a misquote of what I actually wanted, I never said anything about shareing it, I said share it with your biggest townread and only right before the deadline incase you are killed so its not wasted, I also wanted to use it on a rival house offensively, not on our own house
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 16:49 GMT
#1887
On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town.

After that he started making posts such

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On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?

I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:

1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.

2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.

3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.

4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.

5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.

6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).

7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.

8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.

9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.

I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:

1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it.

This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation.
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On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.

This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like.

Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody

Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting.

There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions.

@Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed?



I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player.

He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:07 GMT
#1902
@rayne what are your thoughts on SnB, as a lord did anything in his PMs stick out to you?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:39 GMT
#1922
He will not lose any HP that night, no matter how many different kp.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:41 GMT
#1926
You should really switch to a nice dornish red. That swill you drink rots your brain.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:43 GMT
#1927
No I dont block his actions, just anything that would reduce his HP has no effect.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:46 GMT
#1931
Yeah I didnt stop him from doing whatever he wanted to do.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 17:53 GMT
#1936
You are a Medic, your familiarity with poisions lets you prevent all kill points that would placed on a target for one night.

Im paraphraseing, but I said medic because the PM was medic
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 18:26 GMT
#1959
On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game.
acro is my only scumread right now.
1- rolefishing?
he pmed me this
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Are you Oberyn's Mr. X? If so, do you need me to pass on a message?

no idea what this even means lol

2-actually I cant even understand what he's saying because he is talking in flavor. like i can't understand what any of his posts mean at all...

3-i guess i dont have reasons lol



Meaning did you roleblock xatalos?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 18:27 GMT
#1961
A watcher saw 2 people visit xatalos, one was me and the other RoleBlocked Xatalos
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 11 2013 22:18 GMT
#2046
Oberyn, its not going to happen, Ill wait for you.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 12 2013 03:31 GMT
#2084
I was about to post it, I left random messages with jrkirby that if he inserts words I give him would figure out we fake claimed.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 12 2013 04:35 GMT
#2085
Has anyone heard from strongandbig since the day post?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 12 2013 12:46 GMT
#2170
Ok first when this happened only xata had claimed being RB, oberyn straight up said Im claiming watcher do me a favor and claim one shot medic. We can get scum rb to try to defend himself and catch him. Or possibly the person will counterclaim me saying he was medic and I was the roleblocker. The first thing I told him was be careful because my scum meta has a history of random claims. He looked really town from this to me, there was no way he could lie to get me lynched because my flip would get him lynched right away and I didnt see any motivation for him to make the fakeclaim as scum.
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