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On August 09 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:I think me ruining snb's "experiment" isn't even his issue. It's the "lie" which was simply a mistake. So..... let's move on, yes? A couple of people here can tell you that when I'm town I tend to shine green and when I'm scum I tend to... not shine so green. Onegu you promised to post your thoughts on everything. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:04 Onegu wrote:
Sorry wifes birthday just back home and processing everything now will post thoughts on everything. First on house baratheon. Koshi looks the worst at first why put himself up after saying he didnt want to be lord, also why not vote for sol, just because DI says he is scum? We also need to hear from sol, why vote a null read over a town read. Did you cover everything you wanted in the same post?
Still working my head around the FT thing. Posted thoughts on clarity, and sol already.
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I think multiple people sent out the same message to become house lord to everyone in thier house. Yamato did in ours. So the real problem was FT seemed confident in that post but not in his other PMs. Anything else make you feel scum on him?
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On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:
I dont see any reason for scum to pass that info on to a town member through pm other than to try to friend that person, and that is just bad. Clarity is most likely town. THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment?
There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum.
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I dont know all the PMs all you really say is he was wishy washy, I was asking id there was more ro it than that.
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On August 09 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote:On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:
I dont see any reason for scum to pass that info on to a town member through pm other than to try to friend that person, and that is just bad. Clarity is most likely town. THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment? There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum. Why didn´t you ask the hosts if role names are alignment indicative or not before basing your read on someone on the the "fact" that "they might be"?
Fine I will ask but when they tell me could be, Ill keep my arguement.
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Alright role names are not alignment indicitive I take back my stance. Still dont see much of a reason to pass that info on though.
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On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote:
So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum.
This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves?
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So why shouldnt lords be a target for lynch today? we should be lynching scum no matter who they are.
@Firm you caught up? Respond to the case against you.
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Going to hospital post when have internet there.
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On August 09 2013 22:29 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 22:22 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 22:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it? As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction. On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Suggestions? On August 09 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 22:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. You did mention the hp check. You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really. Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way. At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow. As opposed to a vote to lynch him because he's scum. I understand the two are not mutually exclusive but if it's so obvious that every vote is a pressure vote then why did you tell onegu it was a pressure vote? onegu expressed that he would prefer my vote to remain on sol. I wanted to see where the thread went after the discussion of sol died off and there was still a full 24 hours left in the day to explore new individuals. I replied that I wanted to pressure Acro and would likely return to sol. At this point, I'm undecided whether or not I will be returning to sol, dandel, or possibly yamato/iamp. When I poked yamato for activity, he said he would be on for a while tonight and assumed he would catch up in the thread. He has continued to be around, but not helpful, which is why he is one of my preferred lurker shot candidates (See dandel, that wasn't very hard was it? Your turn!)
Sorry in hospital all day, about to sleep but will be up multiple hours before deadline to post my thoughts. But Oberyn lies here. I never said I would prefer his vote to stay on Sol... He does tell me his vote is just a pressure vote when I ask him thoughts on the situation, but I have never told him who to vote or that his vote should stay on someone.
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Ok I am up, 15 pages behind reading now.
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On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum? In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn?
This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game.
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Ok caught up, my thoughts on Firmtofu. Out of my seven games I have played 5 with tofu and he was town in all of them, never once has he asked about others thoughts before giving his own that was the first thing, also he is normally more active than this. His responses to cases against him arent that strong either.
Second reign case on me, SnB asked me my thoughts on S0L and FT and there wasnt much to go on so I said we need more info, I wasnt just posting random shit. Also again I am disabled and have a disabled child so sometimes I will be very active as I have nothing else to do, but others I will be at a hospital or on medicine and not post much.
Koshi looks scummy to me also, I will filter dive him now and bring up the points I found.
Also I was the main reason oberyn was elected, I thought he was Prome smurf so I straight up told him I would vote him, I also told jrkirby this. I later found out he isnt prome, but I had many discussions with him before voteing and found him the best choice.
Do we know when a house has used thier HP check? Or if I become lord can I find out if we still have it. Thinking about this maybe we shouldnt elect the same lord because if they are scum and use the HP check and we continue to elect them lord we will never find out if they used it or still have it.
I also like the split lord kp on 2 targets.
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Anyone else think about NWM when DI said he is stopping posts now, yeah him being active made me lean town on him, but then he goes and posts hes finished posting.
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On August 10 2013 12:28 Chromatically wrote:I was kind of assuming that we were going to vig shoot Tofu because he's pretty much a complete inactive, but I definitely don't have a problem with lynching him. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:15 Onegu wrote:
He seems like he was made a scapegoat, just seems odd that someone just out of newbies is a house lord. Onegu, what did you mean by "scapegoat" here?
I said it before, that more experianced players were forceing you to become lord to hide behind you.
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On July 29 2013 10:38 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:42 Oberyn wrote:
/in
Is there a mafia faction that is distributed among the houses that town has to eliminate or does each player share a win condition with only their own house? Wat. When was this smurf created...??? Before I began playing mafia. Ruminate on that.
This is the post that made me think it was prome smurf
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On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only.
Why write this? What makes them all scum and why call out oats about haveing town reads on people.
On August 08 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 08 2013 19:54 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. I meant how the person in your house got elected. Your first scumread in Titanic was on a town that you pushed till the end. Then you found a "townslip" on an actual scum that we suspected and managed to get that scum enough towncred so he didn't get lynched day 1. Now in this game you say that your entire house is town and that we should just trust you on it. That's hilarious. I think sharing townreads is kinda useless. It makes it easier for scum to choose a nk and giving townreads is easy for scum. Treat it like a regular game with pms, scumhunt in the thread, scumhunt in pms or share reads with people you're fairly sure are town, only bring up pms in the thread if you got a really strong scumread on someone because of it. Ok I agree. But at this point we are not doing normal scumhunting. Everybody is discussing the houses while we are not allowed to mention the members in the houses. At this point we can't do any scumhunting at all.
So you agree we shouldnt share townreads, but you just got finished calling out oats for not giving his townreads?
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
-Dandel told me that s0lstice was either a retard or a scum in 1 message
-I replied to him that s0lstice was nice to me and that there was no reason to believe he was either retarded or scum. I also said that s0llstice actually was a good leader and unlike DI that just wanted to kill Kush "because"
-Which DI answered to "it's not because, it's win/win (It clearly was not a joke like he claims now.)
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.
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1) says the best scumhunter should be lord (Which I thought was s0lstice, I only knew DI from NWM)
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom (this was after all pms)
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places (imo yes)
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him (I voted chrom in the end. I just wanted to run because out of 2 equals I should pick myself because chrom might be scum (even though Chrom looks just as good as s0lstice)
3) says he doesn't want to be lord (At first)
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why (I fucking explained it 10 times)
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
Point 4 and below is indeed a bit bad play on my part. But in my gut I just knew that those 2 weren't going to work together and that I should be able to run for Lord.
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Maybe I took n0 not serious enough for DI. But I had enough bullshit from this guy, he is lying 24/7 and any normal person would descredit him for being Lord after the PMs he sent me.
The only question I have is why not just say ok chrome can be lord, why put your name up after saying you didnt want to be lord?
On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats.
If they havent given you a good reason why give up on it? That just doesnt make much sense.
On August 10 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. I have pushed Oats 3 times in this thread, and every time I get laughed at and everybody telling me that Oats is town because of meta. How can you say I half-heartedly pushed Oats? On top of that I can't lynch anybody and my Lord thinks I am scum. Obviously I am not as passionate about the lynch as I normally am. Who are you going to vote on? Because I would love you to go outside our House because I am not scum and s0lstice hasn't done anything scummy except vote for you... You are the only Lord that is actually trying to lynch his own servants. Kill FT, Oats, Kirby or johnnywup. They are all "active" but completely useless, and with Oats or johnnywup you have a good chance to hit scum.
But you didnt push him that hard, and give me more reasons than they are completely useless.
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Sorry why are lords makeing time slots?
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On August 10 2013 13:13 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu who's your number 1 lynch right now?
Koshi
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On August 10 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:for murder and mayhem
No but for reals why? Just because youare lords doesnt mean youshould keep us out of the loop
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