EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 3
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@Iamperfection: the 1 KP thing isn't indicative of alignment at all, but his explanation might have been. Too bad umpteen people jumped in to defend him before he even explained himself, rendering any pressure he might have felt completely moot. @snb: dear Lord Stark, please start playing the game. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:33 Oberyn wrote: House Martell also demands an explanation for this injustice. ##Vote: Solstice However distasteful that I must align myself with this sandspawn, this latest evidence is rather damning. Why would you give power to someone you cannot fathom, over someone whose loyalties are clear to you, regardless of how frustrated you are by said person? Are the fake Tagaryen usurpers really that afraid of having DI as their lord? If it is simply a power grab, how did the power end up in the hands of, what by all accounts so far, seems to be a pawn in the Baratheon family? Did a powerplay backfire? Unfortunately my spy network does not seem extensive enough to have caught all conversations literally, which makes it very hard to make sense of what happened in Storm's End. For now, I must simply use Ockham's Razor: it was a failed powerplay by a Blackfyre infiltrant, and when it failed he panicked and voted with his ass instead of his head. ##vote: s0lstice | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote: the game house not my actual house though put your bombs away again plz ##nuke House Florent | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote: i claimed (just role name, not role) and told him not to tell anyone because i was trying an experiment. he told someone else without asking me why i said to keep it a secret and without trying to figure out if ruining my plan would hurt town. he also lied to them, telling them i said i would tell them anyway (i didnt). then when I asked him why he told them, he first said it was cause he was curious what they would say. i pushed him on it, three or four pms later he said he wanted to ruin my plan on purpose and see my reaction. that's the contradiction i also asked him why he lied to the other person, he ignored the question twice and then said it was by accident. that's the evasion. Why is this evidence that clarity is a Blackfyre usurper, rather than just plain stupid? | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote: There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum. Can we lynch Joffrey? I really want to lynch Joffrey. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes because obviously with that exchange between me and oats, the possibility that we're both scum somehow still remains? But yeah, whether I am town or scum I'd have reacted the same way, most likely. That said, do you think Oats as scum pushes me really hard for my rolename (he underemphasized this, it was like 5 pms each of him asking me rolename and me asking "why?") and then when I refuse to give it he makes up a role like that? Seems a bit farfetched for scum just to "dick around" Where do I say you're both Blackfyre pretenders? The exchange between you and Oats seems like intentional bad play by Oats, and his subsequent behaviour in this public hall has been to intentionally obscure information that would have been far more relevant at the time than his derpfest bickering with Yamato. Why would a loyal citizen intentionally derail the discussion, rather than presenting an interesting topic for discussion? I exaggerated with the "whole house" bit, but I have some serious suspicions of Oatsmaster and Strongandbig. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:05 Onegu wrote: This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves? Even Blackfyre pretenders are going to have to keep up appearances. I wouldn't put too much stock in what medium was used for what missives. In this case, I don't think Oats and Clarity are both Blackfyre rebels, because of the nature of the messages, but in general, I would beware of sweeping statements like this. There may very well be Blackfyre sympathizers who send ravens rather than discussing stuff in their secret meetings. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? | ||
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Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken. I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Quote me please Acrofales. Where ever i give an opinion on Grack? Nowhere? Stags, Krakens, Lions, it's all the same to me. I'm here to catch Dragon pretenders. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then what do you mean by this: ????? On August 09 2013 04:29 Acrofales wrote: Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken. I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? | ||
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However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him. Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him. DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End? | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote. One of the houses is seriously considering using a HP chack this phase. HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP. I will use all my power to kill you all if you do that, you are scum. Are you talking about me? Because then I urge you to reread the missive I sent you. | ||
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Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. | ||
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