EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 25
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On August 18 2013 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Just came back to say this is the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard. You should have seen Risen in the previous GoT Mafia. If possible, it might have been even dumber. This sums it up well: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/il7Yt.jpg) On second thought, that latest comment by Risen might be just a little bit dumber. It's not easy to say with the amount of stupid that he creates. | ||
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On August 18 2013 16:59 Clarity_nl wrote: If town shot sharrant they should claim it. If they don't, and sharrant flips green, DI is confirmed scum. Scum don't shoot themselves. It's kind of like we lynched mocsta and we flipped green and then we lynched sharrant, except for the fact that sharrant is apparently town. So yes, mocsta modkilling himself like a tool is beneficial for us and that makes me sad. Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself? I've been doubtful of DI all game, but everytime he has come to some kind of conclusion, even if he doesn't share his reasoning which is dumb from a town perspective, I tend to agree with the conclusion. I'd like to point out that this is fucking sketchy. Has anyone that's been in pms with grack had a townie feeling off of him? Grack why are you not in the thread doing shit. Or johnny, or sharrant. Like fuck. I think town and scum are somewhat even right now and it's basically a race towards the "average". We kill the most scummy/useless players one by one (some flip scum, some town), scum apparently prefer to kill several townies in one go every other night. At MYLO/LYLO we will have no clearly scummy/useless OR clearly town players left. So in the end, the game will be decided between the worst townies and the best players of the scumteam. I kind of agree with Ace's signature text. At first glance, scum seem to have the advantage in that situation... But on the other hand, by then there's SO much information available, that even the worst townies should have an easier time. Now into how that applies to this game... The only remaining *clearly* scummy/useless player is johnnywup. I don't think he's done a single pro-town action so far. Then it's pretty logical to lynch him today. After that, several townies will be killed (most likely Sharrant and Clarity, since they apparently already have low HP, and probably me as well). If Sharrant lives through tonight, we can start doubting DI's word, but for now I certainly see no reason for doubt (his scum meta is so different from this playstyle). The most logical situation tomorrow, though, is that johnnywup+Sharrant+Clarity+me (0-1 scum, 3-4 town) are dead. After that I only really trust s0Lstice and DI (especially if Sharrant dies, DI = 100% town). They should be Lords tomorrow for sure. Maybe Onegu and Koshi... But not 100% confident in them at the moment. That leaves snb, rayn, Acro, Chromatically, Risen, Grackaroni. The remaining scum (2-4) are among these 6 with 90+% certainty. Of course the real question is: which of them are innocent and which are not? Grackaroni: I have a gutfeeling that he is town. He's appeared sincere and thoughtful in our PM conversations. The worrying part is that he's been quite inactive in the thread and hasn't even really pushed his opinions. Apparently he's also been pretty inactive in PM land, which makes me sad. There's a reasonable chance of scum, but I don't think he's an optimal Lord KP or lynch for now. Verdict: give more time Risen: Somehow I feel like he's a real coinflip. 50/50 town/scum. For some reason I just can't read him properly - I would have absolutely thought he was scum in the previous GoT game if I had been town (I was scum, he was town). One moment I think he's scum, the next moment I think he's town. I think ALL(?) of his push targets so far have been town (rayn is a question mark though). Combined with his extremely weak reasoning, it could well be just justifying his scumreads on players he knew were town. But on the other hand, he really might just be that stupid (like in the previous GoT Mafia). I basically just want to kill him to get rid of the annoyance of his anti-town play and the impossibility of reading him accurately. Verdict: Lord KP Chromatically: There's a PM reason that increases his chance of being town, but otherwise he hasn't really left an impression on me. Probably not scum with Risen for trying to convince me that Risen's thinking was purely scum motivated. He should be kept under surveillance, but not KP'd or lynched in the near future. Verdict: give more time Acro: Started the game weakly and wishy-washily (partly explained by the roleplaying, I guess). Slightly resisted the Vivax lynch. My gut says scum, my head says: he can't be scum with rayn, can he? So if rayn is scummy, doesn't that mean that he's more likely town? Verdict: no idea at the moment rayn: Has chosen to focus on bluehunting, spamming, scumhunting with weak reasoning and intentionally lurking through important phases of the game. My gut says scum, my head says scum. Verdict: lynch snb: Has done almost nothing outside of being forced to post. Even then, only after going into a turtle defense mode for countless pages. And then there's the host WIFOM thing with him not being modkilled yet despite several breaches of the rules (posting during night, not voting etc.). Verdict: lynch Somehow I still think that it might be better to finish off johnnywup with KP and lynch snb/rayn/Risen. johnnywup already has (slight) damage and every Lord at least should be able to agree with focusing on him. I'm not sure if everyone would agree about Risen or especially about rayn/snb. But I'm okay with something like lynching johnnywup and KP'ing Risen, I guess. | ||
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On August 18 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote: This relies on onegu sharrant and DI all being on the scumteam. ...which actually doesn't sound that farfetched. I wish I could bring myself to put some more effort in this game at this point, however. I'm just kinda posting and going off memory, I really can't bring myself to re-read stuff right now.... I will do so tonight, though. Hmm. Does anyone else have an HP check left to confirm that Sharrant has low HP? Otherwise we should see the truth tomorrow (unless scum want to risk the pretty big risk of Sharrant actually doing regular alignment checks every day and just lying about the HP check thing for when he was roleblocked). | ||
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Was there ever a Grackaroni-Acro PM conversation? How did it go? Can anyone confirm that Grackaroni has been PMing with them? What impression did he give? | ||
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Grackaroni, get back here!!! | ||
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On August 17 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal? Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also. LOL. Now that I think about it, Onegu had a pretty similar "townslip" in NWM. Basically someone posted that there had been big topics of discussion for that day and listed a couple of players. Onegu replied with "Me too". Then someone said "I had some doubts about Onegu, but this post forces me to believe he's town." I get the same feeling from that seal comment for some reason :D | ||
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On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote: Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum. I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today, ##Vote: Johnnywup At first look... This really does look like a cheap stab at the players who pushed Mocsta / a cheap grab for town credibility. But the fact that Grackaroni did PM me about it earlier makes me less sure. | ||
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Basically... A spontaneous/genuine feeling comment that shows a townie mindset (not afraid of the spotlight, actually even WANTING to get more into the spotlight in both cases, NWM and this game). It's not that hard to fake a single sentence, but I think it's more likely a completely unplanned thing. I've played like 50/50 of my games town or scum and I know for a fact it's so much harder to fake "emotions" as scum. | ||
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Any comments about my last big post? | ||
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On August 18 2013 23:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm going with dandel on this one I don't really get why onegu trying to be part of the towncircle makes him town. Not for certain, but it just feels like more of a townie mindset to draw attention to himself in the thread. Also there's the similar sincere tone that was in his PMs. It's more of a gut feeling though, nothing conclusive or objective. | ||
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Looks like a lot has happened... But I agree that if Sharrant needs to be killed, and he's most likely at very low HP, there's just no reason to lynch him. KP should be used at most. Although I think it's extremely unlikely that Sharrant could be scum without DI being scum, and DI being scum seems pretty unlikely as well. Onegu is also a really bad lynch. He's pretty likely town, much more likely than half of the players who are left. I think johnnywup is the best choice. It helps that my scumreads (rayn, Risen) are trying their best to get the lynch off of him. Grackaroni, don't use your vote on Sharrant... If anything, he should be finished with KP. Although even that seems more like doing scum's work for them. And you would also have to declare DI as (extremely likely) scum by voting for Sharrant. Does that really seem likely? | ||
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Clarity, do you really think Onegu is scum from our PMs with him? Why did he just casually reveal information and say all kinds of stuff that he didn't need to as scum at all...? | ||
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