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On August 20 2013 18:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:02 Risen wrote:
No way Xata didn't do anything wrong in PMs with me lol. I was like a rabid dog d2/d3. Haha... Well, sorry for insulting you on many occasions. I got so involved in this game that my emotions took over too much with you. Also at least you were right about rayn in your scumreads 
We have a saying around here, basically "even a blind chicken finds a bit of grain sometimes"
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Lurkers are a crapshoot. And yes it's tough. I was comfortable with my town read kush dead precisely because u don't want to end game with him. That was another reason rayn was scum haha. Any townie would admit that freely.
I'm not sure how to handle the lurker situation .but that's a bigger issue for others more versed in the nuances of mafia.
For host
I liked the setup but not sure about scum kp being fixed. Granted that I did not compute any numbers.
I suppose more than 1.5kp would have been too much with lynch and lord kp.
Plus I dont like paraphrase logs. I'm comfortable with forum pm only. But I like being able to paste it if required.
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Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that?
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oh btw, mafia did have 2 roleblockers in case that was not clear.
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Rayn. I think it's natural to assume if 2 rb. It's split evenly.. I only glossed over the argument but the first thing in my head is. U know there's two rb on scum team and taking it out of proportion.
And yeah I only blue hunt as scum or a blue. As vt I just want to lynch scum.
And also. Town really needs to read dead filters more. I know it's hard with spammy filters but it's got to be done
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Mocsta trying to defend what he did in post game is just disgusting. Ace as well.
I played badly. I'm glad that despite that dumb start d1 I was able to establish my towniness, it's the one thing I'm good at.
It seems I was onto scum a couple of times though, although I never followed through.
I thought chrom was total scum but townies called him town because of pm reasons.  I should have realized though that when I knew solstice was vigi and he acted THROUGH chrom, that that was why he was being called town and should have revisited him.
I thought mocsta was town but a redcheck is a redcheck, I wasn't convinced on his lynch/shot yet though, that's why I said "contribute now" and he just fucking kills himself.
Acro played well, especially d2.
I dunno how to catch rayn or koshi as mafia because rayn shits up the thread as either alignment and koshi is just kinda around doing nothing as either alignment.
I also couldn't convince anyone of rayn despite him being a great lynch. I've never tunneled anyone so hard and in the end gave up because I got no traction on it, and then mocsta instead of going "yeah lynch rayn!" he just suicided.
Risen... I'll break down that first post of yours today at some point, as per request.
On August 20 2013 18:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also the setup would be better if town actually did anything.
But nobody did.
I was like the only one to even scumhunt n0, l0l
but at least I have conclusively proven that dandel >>>>>>>> solstice, that's the only important thing.
This is mean DI. I think you play well and you have good intuition, but you make it hard for people to listen to you because your train of thought is not put in thread, just your conclusion. It makes it hard to read you.
We also had solstice and sharrant, the two people that were almost NEVER going to get lynched, and they lurk like fuck.
If we had not just me and xata as obvtownies, but those two as well IN THE THREAD we probably would have rolled over scum.
There's also kush. I refuse to even attempt to get a read on this guy. He claims he hasn't tried in a towngame for 5 games, yet he still signs up. I really do not understand what he gets out of mafia but it lessens my enjoyment when he's in the game.
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I understand (now) that most people do only bluehunt as scum. I do that as town because of the reasons i said in thread when the argument was going on. I did not lie in that one. It might help figuring out them later. Obvious blues tend to be more afraid in what to post, but still try to help as much as possible, scum tend to just be afraid in what to post. It's not that hard to tell the difference once you have figured out someone is scum/blue.
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I'm very easy to read.
People just refuse to do it.
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On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that?
Dude I broke that shit down. You had to either call me scum for the same logic, or call me scum for being angry with you, both were terrible reasons and it SCREAMED scum making stuff up on the spot.
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On August 20 2013 18:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm very easy to read.
People just refuse to do it.
I had a townread on you most of the game, but you had a lurking session around d2 d3 that made me nervous about you. That's not that weird, is it?
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Clarity, next game we are in together i promise to try my hardest to work better with you regardless of my alignment!
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On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that?
Hmm. It's a reasonable bonus argument, I guess, but it was pretty much your WHOLE argument. And not conclusive at all. For example, saying that snb was the only one openly suspecting at that point doesn't mean that he was the only town RB who could have RB'd. It may look likely, but it's just WIFOM / assuming in the end. That you'd expect Onegu to think exactly the way you think he would, and not considering any other factors (besides this speculative argument), is pretty weak IMO. It felt more like scum trying to throw dirt than town genuinely thinking he was scum for it. Granted, my opinion was surely affected by my already existing reads on you two.
(As a sidenote: you were very persistent in arguing with me earlier on! But then you just basically started avoiding me and lurking more. That's when I started thinking you were more and more likely scum.)
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On August 20 2013 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw, mafia did have 2 roleblockers in case that was not clear.
LOL
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On August 20 2013 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that? Dude I broke that shit down. You had to either call me scum for the same logic, or call me scum for being angry with you, both were terrible reasons and it SCREAMED scum making stuff up on the spot.
I actually called you scum because of "you refusing to give me information to figure out your alignment better". I know i was not clear enough but it was 50% my fault and 50% you yelling at me for nothing.
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It really is a shame the game ended last night since Rayn effectively claimed scum in PMs to me last night rofl. Not that I would have done anything about it if Shar was still alive.
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On August 20 2013 18:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that? Hmm. It's a reasonable bonus argument, I guess, but it was pretty much your WHOLE argument. And not conclusive at all. For example, saying that snb was the only one openly suspecting at that point doesn't mean that he was the only town RB who could have RB'd. It may look likely, but it's just WIFOM / assuming in the end. That you'd expect Onegu to think exactly the way you think he would, and not considering any other factors (besides this speculative argument), is pretty weak IMO. It felt more like scum trying to throw dirt than town genuinely thinking he was scum for it. Granted, my opinion was surely affected by my already existing reads on you two. (As a sidenote: you were very persistent in arguing with me earlier on! But then you just basically started avoiding me and lurking more. That's when I started thinking you were more and more likely scum.)
Actually, on the last part;
I really would have not done anything as town on D2 (read what Ace said earlier).
I really would not have done anything as town on D3 either (because it was clear i wanted Vivax lynched). I was following the arguments and wanted people to tell their thoughts and i WOULD have contributed later in case Vivax had not claimed scum (as scum aswell).
EDIT: I mean posted, not done. I actually did read the thread many times on D2 and D3.
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On August 20 2013 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D
And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare:
1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own?
2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that? Dude I broke that shit down. You had to either call me scum for the same logic, or call me scum for being angry with you, both were terrible reasons and it SCREAMED scum making stuff up on the spot. I actually called you scum because of "you refusing to give me information to figure out your alignment better". I know i was not clear enough but it was 50% my fault and 50% you yelling at me for nothing.
Either way it was dumb because you were asking me to go back to read day 1 so I can figure out who has a scumread on me d1. That or you were asking me what I remember from memory and then you would manipulate it the same way you manipulated onegu's answer.
And then onegu gets slight pressure and he martyrs. FUUUUUUUUU
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On August 20 2013 18:26 Risen wrote:
It really is a shame the game ended last night since Rayn effectively claimed scum in PMs to me last night rofl. Not that I would have done anything about it if Shar was still alive.
It was pretty clear you thought i was scum so there was no harm in it. :D
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I just thought I was a really wierd rb for scum, since I put flavor into my fake roleclaim they would figure out it was fake.
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I'm just surprised the whole thing with me snb and oats blew up so hard in thread.
I don't play pm games often but what I find is that if you can throw someone off their game, you get a lot more information out of their reaction than 20 pms back and forth talking about shit (n0, at least)
Oats asked me for my rolename and I didn't give it. It was partly because I wanted to wifom if I was blue (draw a roleblock or a nk) but partly because it's a themed game and there ARE possible roles that kill people that know your rolename.
Twice it's been mentioned in postgame that town shouldn't have co ordinated their kp shots at night, I don't really understand why that would be the case though. Unlike a single 1-shot vigi, having 6 vigis that do almost no damage and not co ordinating them seems like a disaster, especially when it comes to hp checks afterwards. Why not use it as a 2nd lynch that we can discuss in thread? Where exactly is the downside?
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