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On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote:
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirby, yamato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.
on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.
also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.
On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote:Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity
Regarding onegu
Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want
That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread.
Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do.
I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out.
Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me.
Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want.
Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider.
On phone, hope that comes through. Reads shar as scum, then can't understand why someone would think a bus was out of the realm of possibility? I doubt it.
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I know he answers it in his post, I'm saying I don't believe him.
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i changed my mind. i don't care if you don't believe me. though the red check on a green does make me more suspicious again
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On August 18 2013 10:58 Risen wrote:
So Sharrant appears scummy and is relatively useless (in a what has this person contributed kind of way, not insulting), but gets a red check and since that guys posting is scummy we lynch him. Sharrant is still scummy but gives us another red check on someone who has somewhere around zero percent chance of being framed. That person flips green prior to our lynch today and we're not lynching him because an increasingly useless (not insulting, just mean to say DI was good according to the thread and has dropped off) DI says they used house check....
What has DI done to instill such trust? Has anyone looked at what potentially happens when a town mocsta gets lynched? Who's left alive in that house? A lone Onegu.
Regardless, you guys sit on that. Just went into johnny's filter trying to find house member list and found...
If town shot sharrant they should claim it. If they don't, and sharrant flips green, DI is confirmed scum. Scum don't shoot themselves.
It's kind of like we lynched mocsta and we flipped green and then we lynched sharrant, except for the fact that sharrant is apparently town. So yes, mocsta modkilling himself like a tool is beneficial for us and that makes me sad.
Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?
I've been doubtful of DI all game, but everytime he has come to some kind of conclusion, even if he doesn't share his reasoning which is dumb from a town perspective, I tend to agree with the conclusion.
On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup
I'd like to point out that this is fucking sketchy.
Has anyone that's been in pms with grack had a townie feeling off of him?
Grack why are you not in the thread doing shit. Or johnny, or sharrant.
Like fuck.
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On August 18 2013 11:25 johnnywup wrote:
i changed my mind. i don't care if you don't believe me. though the red check on a green does make me more suspicious again
How?
Also can you stop making useless posts like this please?
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"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house.
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On August 18 2013 16:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 10:58 Risen wrote:
So Sharrant appears scummy and is relatively useless (in a what has this person contributed kind of way, not insulting), but gets a red check and since that guys posting is scummy we lynch him. Sharrant is still scummy but gives us another red check on someone who has somewhere around zero percent chance of being framed. That person flips green prior to our lynch today and we're not lynching him because an increasingly useless (not insulting, just mean to say DI was good according to the thread and has dropped off) DI says they used house check....
What has DI done to instill such trust? Has anyone looked at what potentially happens when a town mocsta gets lynched? Who's left alive in that house? A lone Onegu.
Regardless, you guys sit on that. Just went into johnny's filter trying to find house member list and found... If town shot sharrant they should claim it. If they don't, and sharrant flips green, DI is confirmed scum. Scum don't shoot themselves. It's kind of like we lynched mocsta and we flipped green and then we lynched sharrant, except for the fact that sharrant is apparently town. So yes, mocsta modkilling himself like a tool is beneficial for us and that makes me sad. Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself? I've been doubtful of DI all game, but everytime he has come to some kind of conclusion, even if he doesn't share his reasoning which is dumb from a town perspective, I tend to agree with the conclusion. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup I'd like to point out that this is fucking sketchy. Has anyone that's been in pms with grack had a townie feeling off of him? Grack why are you not in the thread doing shit. Or johnny, or sharrant. Like fuck.
I think town and scum are somewhat even right now and it's basically a race towards the "average". We kill the most scummy/useless players one by one (some flip scum, some town), scum apparently prefer to kill several townies in one go every other night. At MYLO/LYLO we will have no clearly scummy/useless OR clearly town players left. So in the end, the game will be decided between the worst townies and the best players of the scumteam. I kind of agree with Ace's signature text. At first glance, scum seem to have the advantage in that situation... But on the other hand, by then there's SO much information available, that even the worst townies should have an easier time.
Now into how that applies to this game... The only remaining *clearly* scummy/useless player is johnnywup. I don't think he's done a single pro-town action so far. Then it's pretty logical to lynch him today. After that, several townies will be killed (most likely Sharrant and Clarity, since they apparently already have low HP, and probably me as well). If Sharrant lives through tonight, we can start doubting DI's word, but for now I certainly see no reason for doubt (his scum meta is so different from this playstyle).
The most logical situation tomorrow, though, is that johnnywup+Sharrant+Clarity+me (0-1 scum, 3-4 town) are dead. After that I only really trust s0Lstice and DI (especially if Sharrant dies, DI = 100% town). They should be Lords tomorrow for sure. Maybe Onegu and Koshi... But not 100% confident in them at the moment.
That leaves snb, rayn, Acro, Chromatically, Risen, Grackaroni. The remaining scum (2-4) are among these 6 with 90+% certainty. Of course the real question is: which of them are innocent and which are not?
Grackaroni: I have a gutfeeling that he is town. He's appeared sincere and thoughtful in our PM conversations. The worrying part is that he's been quite inactive in the thread and hasn't even really pushed his opinions. Apparently he's also been pretty inactive in PM land, which makes me sad. There's a reasonable chance of scum, but I don't think he's an optimal Lord KP or lynch for now. Verdict: give more time
Risen: Somehow I feel like he's a real coinflip. 50/50 town/scum. For some reason I just can't read him properly - I would have absolutely thought he was scum in the previous GoT game if I had been town (I was scum, he was town). One moment I think he's scum, the next moment I think he's town. I think ALL(?) of his push targets so far have been town (rayn is a question mark though). Combined with his extremely weak reasoning, it could well be just justifying his scumreads on players he knew were town. But on the other hand, he really might just be that stupid (like in the previous GoT Mafia). I basically just want to kill him to get rid of the annoyance of his anti-town play and the impossibility of reading him accurately. Verdict: Lord KP
Chromatically: There's a PM reason that increases his chance of being town, but otherwise he hasn't really left an impression on me. Probably not scum with Risen for trying to convince me that Risen's thinking was purely scum motivated. He should be kept under surveillance, but not KP'd or lynched in the near future. Verdict: give more time
Acro: Started the game weakly and wishy-washily (partly explained by the roleplaying, I guess). Slightly resisted the Vivax lynch. My gut says scum, my head says: he can't be scum with rayn, can he? So if rayn is scummy, doesn't that mean that he's more likely town? Verdict: no idea at the moment
rayn: Has chosen to focus on bluehunting, spamming, scumhunting with weak reasoning and intentionally lurking through important phases of the game. My gut says scum, my head says scum. Verdict: lynch
snb: Has done almost nothing outside of being forced to post. Even then, only after going into a turtle defense mode for countless pages. And then there's the host WIFOM thing with him not being modkilled yet despite several breaches of the rules (posting during night, not voting etc.). Verdict: lynch
Somehow I still think that it might be better to finish off johnnywup with KP and lynch snb/rayn/Risen. johnnywup already has (slight) damage and every Lord at least should be able to agree with focusing on him. I'm not sure if everyone would agree about Risen or especially about rayn/snb. But I'm okay with something like lynching johnnywup and KP'ing Risen, I guess.
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On August 18 2013 18:15 Risen wrote:
"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house.
This relies on onegu sharrant and DI all being on the scumteam.
...which actually doesn't sound that farfetched.
I wish I could bring myself to put some more effort in this game at this point, however.
I'm just kinda posting and going off memory, I really can't bring myself to re-read stuff right now.... I will do so tonight, though.
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Damn, I wish I just had a multi-shot daygun. I'd shoot johnnywup, snb, rayn and Risen immediately. I'm pretty sure we'd just win right there and then.
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On August 18 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 18:15 Risen wrote:
"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house. This relies on onegu sharrant and DI all being on the scumteam. ...which actually doesn't sound that farfetched. I wish I could bring myself to put some more effort in this game at this point, however. I'm just kinda posting and going off memory, I really can't bring myself to re-read stuff right now.... I will do so tonight, though.
Hmm. Does anyone else have an HP check left to confirm that Sharrant has low HP? Otherwise we should see the truth tomorrow (unless scum want to risk the pretty big risk of Sharrant actually doing regular alignment checks every day and just lying about the HP check thing for when he was roleblocked).
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On August 18 2013 18:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 18 2013 18:15 Risen wrote:
"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house. This relies on onegu sharrant and DI all being on the scumteam. ...which actually doesn't sound that farfetched. I wish I could bring myself to put some more effort in this game at this point, however. I'm just kinda posting and going off memory, I really can't bring myself to re-read stuff right now.... I will do so tonight, though. Hmm. Does anyone else have an HP check left to confirm that Sharrant has low HP? Otherwise we should see the truth tomorrow (unless scum want to risk the pretty big risk of Sharrant actually doing regular alignment checks every day and just lying about the HP check thing for when he was roleblocked).
I do..... wait... 
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On August 18 2013 18:57 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 18:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 18 2013 18:15 Risen wrote:
"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house. This relies on onegu sharrant and DI all being on the scumteam. ...which actually doesn't sound that farfetched. I wish I could bring myself to put some more effort in this game at this point, however. I'm just kinda posting and going off memory, I really can't bring myself to re-read stuff right now.... I will do so tonight, though. Hmm. Does anyone else have an HP check left to confirm that Sharrant has low HP? Otherwise we should see the truth tomorrow (unless scum want to risk the pretty big risk of Sharrant actually doing regular alignment checks every day and just lying about the HP check thing for when he was roleblocked). I do..... wait...
Lol
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Although somehow I doubt DI, as scum, would sacrifice himself to give Sharrant a bit more time. So it just doesn't seem likely in any case.
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I guess I'm up for lynching johnny but it's for the wrong reasons.
I have no idea if he's scum or town, he's completely null and useless. Don't want him around at lylo.
I kinda wanna lynch grack just because of this post
On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup
I dunno how johnny has "the best chance of flipping scum" but that's a silly statement that means nothing.
I can't tell if this post is scum just consolidating on a townie without much thought, or a bus because johnny is a lost cause, however I do know that a townie does not post this.
Apparently he was talking to mocsta in pms, when everyone else wanted to kill him, because he wasn't confident in the lynch. Was anyone aware of this? I sure as hell wasn't.
I don't understand why, as a townie, you would INSTEAD of saying in the thread "hey guys, I'm not too confident in this lynch/shot" you go talk to the guy who is up for getting lynched/shot??
Clearly you didn't show the fact that you doubt he's scum with him, because he fucking gave up on the game.
This is a classic scumpost. Consolidate without reasons. Try to get towncred by opposing a lynch/shot on a townie (after his flip, might I add) and give out a random townread (on rayn)
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Grackaroni did PM me before Mocsta gave up though. He said something like "I've been PM'ing with Mocsta and I'm not convinced he's scum. Acro has been acting strangely and Sharrant+Acro scumteam could be the case. Trying to PM with Acro before making conclusions."
Was there ever a Grackaroni-Acro PM conversation? How did it go?
Can anyone confirm that Grackaroni has been PMing with them? What impression did he give?
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I must say I'm disappointed in the current Lord of House Lannister in any case. He has just posted a couple of posts so far without really making any difference in the game. It seems like he hasn't really used his PM ability either.....
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Let's just say that Grackaroni has went from slightly town during N3 to null, or even slightly scummy during today. Maybe it was good to give him this chance after all. It was so hard to determine his real intentions just from nightly PMs.
Grackaroni, get back here!!!
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On August 17 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them. Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal?Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also.
LOL. Now that I think about it, Onegu had a pretty similar "townslip" in NWM. Basically someone posted that there had been big topics of discussion for that day and listed a couple of players. Onegu replied with "Me too". Then someone said "I had some doubts about Onegu, but this post forces me to believe he's town." I get the same feeling from that seal comment for some reason :D
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On August 18 2013 19:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them. Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal?Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also. LOL. Now that I think about it, Onegu had a pretty similar "townslip" in NWM. Basically someone posted that there had been big topics of discussion for that day and listed a couple of players. Onegu replied with "Me too". Then someone said "I had some doubts about Onegu, but this post forces me to believe he's town." I get the same feeling from that seal comment for some reason :D
i dont get it
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