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On August 15 2013 06:52 kushm4sta wrote: acro can you plz not shoot me again Just don't vote me for lord again and you're safe. Although I'll try to convince Sharrant to shoot you. It felt really good. PS. Did it hurt? Where did I hit you? | ||
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On August 15 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote: ? No acro. What a weird question. Do u object to what I posted in the thread? I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid. | ||
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On August 15 2013 13:03 s0Lstice wrote: I really would have liked it if you were lord this cycle Acro. Do you not trust Sharrant? | ||
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On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote: And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? No. He said "dude, I'm a cop. Who should I check?" (paraphrasing, duh) Shit. I was going to ignore you. Failed already  | ||
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On August 15 2013 13:16 Mocsta wrote: Well. It's a dumb question Anyone would answer no But u showed signs of intelligence with the rayn case so it was unexpected to be asked something so useless from u. Now. Yes we are same timezone. Let us use this to our best advantage. ??johnny?? said sharrant had an awesome case on koshi. Have u sighted this? We aremost certainly not in the same timezone. I am in and you are in Regarding Sharrant and Koshi, I could have sworn there was more discussion, but I cannot find it right now. When (if) I sober up I'll give it another try. But atm all I can find is a question from Sharrant asking whether the final post on page 111 has a scumslip. I swear I replied saying I didn't see it, and Sharrant replied to that, bit I can't find either of those PMs. But I may be delusional. I'd ask Sharrant. He doesn't bite. Anyway, I don't think asking you whether you're scum is a weird question at all. Of course everybody says no, but it's the WAY they say no that's interesting. You seemed rather cautious, especially for someone with as much bluster as you. You're in House Martell, so you're safe for now, imho. What's with the caution? As for your culling of the houses, it's pretty fucking stupid. I say we shoot into houses we've culled town to few scum. Greyjoy for instance, one of Risen and Rayn is bound to be scum. So lets kill Rayn. Woooohooo. Get on the Train of Statistical Justice (not the catchiest name in the world, but can't go wrong with math!) | ||
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On August 15 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, tell me what you thought of Rayn's filter in Titanic Honestly, I don't think it is similar at all. Noted, I haven't read all 45 pages of it, but for the entire first half of it, he is tunneling FT. He clearly has a scumread (on an actual scum). There are some posts where he focuses on nitpicking wrong things, but they seem to have a point. But it's really neither here nor there. Any game in which someone has a 45-page filter is going to be an exception to his normal play. I don't think you can point to CT as an example of my town game (or of my 3P game). But that seems to be the OPPOSITE of the point you're trying to make, so I'll let you explain what the similarities are between Rayn in Titanic and Rayn here. | ||
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I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game. Shoot on sight. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:38 Mocsta wrote: Thats town Kush for sure...irk.. reminds me of smurf mafia.. fuck that guy is frustrating Did you just completely skip the second paragraph? He's nothing like smurf mafia kush. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:47 Onegu wrote: Me protecting myself with the fake claims. A xata, B oberyn, C me I had almost forgotten you are in this game. Who is scum? | ||
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On August 15 2013 17:00 Onegu wrote: Ok so how is the post not uber scummy and no one calls him out on it. He gives no reads, adds nothing new to the arguement, but happy with the lynch because his townreads are voteing SnB? I am going to look at his NWM filter now as he was scum that game, but for now Imstick with my stance that he is scum. Okay. This is an actual read. I have to say that since Baratheon is such a clusterfuck, I haven't actually payed much attention to them. I suspect DI most of all of them, but Koshi seems to be blending. I'll filter him properly and get back to you. I have a better feeling on acro now he has dropped the roleplaying, he seem much more town now. Meh, that's a terrible reason. I also like chromes post on the sharrant claim amd I agree with his point as that is the most likely option. This says nothing. I am null on rayne for now, I think there are better lynch options than him for now, since he hasnt been lord I feel his play has suffered though. Stand-offish null read :/ Looking through vivax now, I remember I thought he was town day 1. Update please. I would like people to make a case on me that isnt raynes case, I am getting alot of I am scum messages in PMs but not alot of reasons why. Out of tue lords I have spoken with I am getting heavy town feelings from clarity, xata, chrome ans s0L. Wait.. what? How have you been PM'ing Chrom? He's not a lord and while he WAS lord yesterday, Oberyn was lord of House Martell. How the fuck are you in PM contact with Chrom? Given that you cannot be, this "town" list is pretty meaningless and seems made up on the spot. I was baseing alot of my mocsta read off of my jrkirby read and the fact he has been open in PMs. That being said he needs to be more active in thread, I guess I need to also. Okay. I hadn't actually looked at you properly. Doing a full reread, but this list was horrid, giving no reasons for your reads and some of them seeming bullshit (your townread on me, your townread on Chrom, and by extension the lords who DID PM you). | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:35 Onegu wrote: Still have no idea why town would post that in thread that they would vote SnB in a instant because thier townreads were voteing him. You don't know why a townie would sheep their town read? You haven't played much, have you? It happens ALL the time. Hell, I've done it. | ||
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On August 15 2013 17:05 Onegu wrote: Sorry Sharr not chrome, as lords I have spoken with Use "EBWOP", so people know when they look in your filter that this is talking about your previous post. | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Acro, from memory you're quoting a bunch of different people, yet the way you quote is doesn't say who is who. I can answer one thing: the xata quote "Out of tue lords I have spoken with I am getting heavy town feelings from clarity, xata, chrome ans s0L." His following post said "I meant sharrant, not chrom" They were all quotes from Onegu's list post. He already clarified. False alarm. | ||
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Strongandbig Koshi Vivax I already did SnB and Vivax yesterday and my thoughts are in the thread, but there have been some new observations from people, as well as some activity (at least from SnB). Will redo and update. @Clarity: as I said, I looked at Rayn's filter in Titanic and it is bountiful. Please tell me what you think is so similar to his play here, because I don't see it. @Mocsta: you have no fucking clue how SnB's scum meta works, so why are you giving him a town read based on meta. Your meta read is entirely wrong... and I want you to either explain it in detail with examples, or I will assume you just made it up. Scum-SnB is timid and doesn't push his reads AT ALL. The only exception I can think of is how we went up against Oats in Sicilian (think it was Sicilian), which he almost certainly did to emulate his town meta at the time of policy-calling-Oats-scum. | ||
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On August 16 2013 02:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Acro, especially his d3 and onwards is just a shitstorm. The major similarity is the questions he asks. Maybe from reading his filter it doesn't come across, but most of them were completely useless. Either the answer was readily available for those who looked or the answer was gonna be useless regardless. That is your main problem with rayn is it not? btw, snb just said his scum meta is to push oats, and now acro just said his town meta is to push oats. I don't believe in either one since that would be a terrible thing to do, push one person consistently as a particular alignment, but why the difference? I actually misremembered PTP 4 and thought he was calling Oats scum for being disruptive and dumb, but he was calling DI scum for those reasons. So ignore the bit about pushing Oats as his meta regardless of alignment. The main point I was trying to make wasn't about Oats, it was about him not really pushing as scum. However, looking over his recent town games, just ignore meta entirely... at least my assessment of it. In PTP SnB got modkilled for inactivity (and I could have sworn he was scum, as I said before I died in the game, and insisted on it in obs qt afterwards). In NWM he got endgamed (by a scum Oats, I might add, lol). I would have called him scum if I was in that game. My calling SnB scum is thus not very trustworthy: I used to be able to read him back when his scum meta was to do fuckall and his town meta was to share good reads and push people he thought were scum. Unfortunately, his town meta lately is to play exactly like his scum game. What I DO know is that if Mocsta is representing SnB's meta as "pushing" people hard, he has no clue about SnB's playstyle, regardless of alignment. | ||
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On August 16 2013 02:13 Mocsta wrote: @ Acro.. Im not proclaiming to be an SnB expert. I hate the guys play, and he hates mine. But in all the town games i played with him; he has honed onto oats like a homing missile. Personality 2 rings a big bell. Anyways, my original read on SnB I already explained to someone else why i said pushing nothing to me was town. It was a personal heuristic, not an SnB one. Regardless, in Sicilian I the memories I have is that he was constantly pushing a mislynch even in death (e.g. the whole SK thing).. so perhaps his general scum meta is to be timid, but i was judging him off the scum snb i just played with 1 week ago. Im also not sure how much I buy the whole oats love story cos showing mindset in night 0.. I have to re-read that whole "redacted" shite, and double check how snb handled the oats/yamato lynch but thats tomorrow too tired gotta sleep. To me, Vivax is still a surer lynch. Ohhhhh... it was Personality 2 where he kept calling Oats scum. But he was town there, so not quite sure how this supports your earlier argument in any way, shape or form. | ||
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Name claiming Lets start with the whole Clarity thing. I didn't like how it got blown up into a giant problem, but didn't really think much of it. However, rereading it seems somewhat scummy to nameclaim like that. Scum (at least some of them) have townie names, as evidenced by Yamato flipping Doran Martell. If, at the start of the game, you can gain some town credit by nameclaiming, this seems like a pretty good idea. If scum have some kind of KP that relies on nameclaiming, then it makes it a fucking excellent idea. This was the reason I was a bit suspicious of johnnywup at the start of the game. Nameclaiming is simply not a townie thing to do when you have zero knowledge about the setup. He subsequently made a big stink about how Clarity sent the message on to Oatsmaster, and I found Oats' behaviour in the whole ordeal really fucking scummy, so forgot about SnB's nameclaim starting the whole thing off. But I want some answers: SnB: why did you ignore all the risks of nameclaiming if you're town. Johnnywup, when I pressed him, claimed ignorance. You, however, are not a newbie and have played in at least 2 games I can think of where nameclaiming could get you killed (and in fact, in CT you had the very role to kill nameclaimers unless I am mistaking things). Additionally you claim it's a townie thing to do and should get you elected. You KNOW this is false. Why the lies? Worthless reads as a lord As a lord, we get this: On August 10 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys On phone today so I'll be less active in pms than I was for the past several days. I want my house to pm me though and explain who they want me to vote for and why. Currently I'm not liking clarity as a lynch target anymore. I also don't want to lynch oatsmaster. It looks like the sol case is winding down a bit but I will retread those parts before the lynch. More later Distancing himself from his own vote. On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. Test balloon: lets see if we can get a decent town player lynched on a ridiculous pretext. If people wagon, then awesome, otherwise no harm no foul. Then his vote ends up on Onegu: On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote: Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him. So ##vote: onegu This is one of the shoddiest votes I have ever seen, especially as the earlier posts were him actually defending Onegu: On August 09 2013 00:24 strongandbig wrote: not a huge problem, his logic makes sense. he's saying it's poor play for a townie to take that action, but it doesn't make sense for a scum member to take it so it's more likely coming from a bad townie than from scum. So what made Onegu a worse lurker than jrkirby, FirmTofu, gumshoe, or really any of the other useless lurkers. Nothing. Onegu was, in fact, a less useless lurker. But he needed to toss his vote without letting it be accountable at all. Active when pressured Then on D2 when he is no longer lord, and just as people are starting to think seriously of shooting him dead at night, he comes in to save his ass with the case on Risen. His reason for not wanting to be lord is fucking phoney as hell: he wanted to reclaim his townie status, but did absolutely NOTHING towards that. Resulting in him basically disqualifying himself from the lord position, where he would not be able to lurk as much. Most of this has already been discussed, so I'll leave it at this. The Yamato connection Yamato on SnB: On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything). His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. Neither of these seem like sincere efforts to push a lynch on SnB, and particularly the second one is complete nonsense: half a meta read because it IGNORES the fact that SnB's latest town games have been lurky sacks of uselessness as well. He was endgamed and ignored by scum in NWM, and modkilled for inactivity in PTP. Hardly a shining record to contrast with his lurky inactive scumgame. This read was easily discredited, but notice that SnB has no real interaction with yamato, despite SnB being yamato's main scumread. He just ignores it, because he knows yamato will never push the read. What we do have, is this: On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote: idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. 2 minutes later comes the test balloon of lynching me for roleplaying, and another 5 minutes later his vote is on Onegu with NO explanation worth speaking of (except, he's lurking). What happened to this will to lynch Yamato? It vanished in thin air... in about 5 minutes flat. On D2 you'd think he'd have something to say about the red check on Yamato when he was so happy to report he had caught up on the thread, but no. He spouted off some nothingness that said very little in very many words. Avoid the contaminated scumbuddy like the plague! @all lords: please lynch. | ||
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On August 16 2013 04:52 s0Lstice wrote: If Vivax flips scum you're dead Acro Will be reading Vivax after Koshi. Explain yourself. | ||
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