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On August 14 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
A very strong townread on johnny? How?
Did your hp check get used despite getting roleblocked?
Can't speak for Sharrant, but here is my town read on johnny:
I presume you got the same message I got when the game started, in which he revealed his rolename. At the time I was pretty suspicious, because it seemed like he was fishing. But I talked a bit with him and he seemed oblivious to the possibility of assassins. That was neither here nor there.
His subsequent behaviour in public is to be extremely paranoid about name, and house information, and he PM'd me about it too. While this is easy to fake as scum, it seemed a natural reaction to our PM conversation.
He then caught a LOT of flak for that in the thread, which to me just seemed like a retarded reason to call him scum, and people trying to push that in favour of actual scummy behaviour seemed suspicious, which further pushed him towards town. I seemed to be the only one who even considered the possibility he was town, and that is not how scum operates.
The problem I have with his filter, and his private messages is that it spends a LOT of time defending himself and very little giving out reads. It's not a good thing and I've been pressuring him to share more reads and reasons in the thread. He told me that he is unmotivated, because every post he makes gets turned against him. It reminds me a bit of goodkarma in Catch 22. I don't like the self-pitying martyring behaviour, but it sounds genuine, and not like some scum trying to bullshit me.
Upon rereading his filter, there is also something I'd consider a "townslip". After Ace posted in confusion and before he was modkilled, I received a PM from johnny saying that he no longer thought Ace was scum (he had told me before that he was certain Ace was scum): because the lordly KP was aimed at Ace, and I had told him that, this doesn't seem like something scum would do. They would want Ace dead before people could discuss it and come to that very same conclusion.
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On August 14 2013 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 15:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also please explain how Risen got lord instead of rayn. Did Risen not budge and rayn was forced to consolidate or? Pretty much yeah.
So what? Did you just not want to risk your neck by sticking it out and fighting to be lord. Surely Risen's utterly insane behaviour yesterday showed that he is not fit to be lord (although I don't agree with Ser Strongandbig's assessment). Aiming his longships at Sharrant is a sign of insanity, not Blackfyre sympathy, and insane people are less likely to be part of a rebellion, imho.
So if you are in fact a loyalist, you'd draw the conclusion that Risen is insane, and he should be deposed as lord. That leaves you as the only alternative. Is Risen so powerhungry? Why did you admit defeat so easily? It seems like a Blackfyre slinking back into the shadows to me.
Lets kill Rayn, the Blackfyre pretender kraken!
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On August 14 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.
at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.
It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks. Oh wow. This is completely true. Otherwise iamp would be dead day 1. Good news, I didn't like Grack as scum tbh but evidence was against him.
Meh. Scum splitting their KP to create chaos D2 doesn't seem unlikely. The main point of the life magic was that it revealed gumshoe hanging on by a thread. I don't see how today's evidence that the Blackfyres split their armies on day 1 proves that gumshoe was hit by a loyalist vigilante. In fact, the fact kush didn't die is to me evidence that he was in fact pushed off the cliff by Blackfyre swords.
Whether this makes Grackaroni or Xatalos a pretender I am not sure about. Any of the lords could have used their life magic in secret to get the same information. Maybe the Blackfyres themselves have a power like the one Sharrant claimed to have. There is just too much missing information. But concluding that it was a loyalist vigilante seems very premature.
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On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:Xatalos, the most recent reasoning for lynching Risen I found is this: I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that.
Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them). iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post): "Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum" Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure. After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum). Effort, pushing, involvement. You mention things that aren't very empiric, so to say. You don't show if I'm pushing scum agenda, you don't quote particular posts, you say it's not activity, but you don't tell how you measure the three attributes you think make me scum when they are usually correlated to activity. The case on me is bullshit, I'm town, and I have yet to see a case with a clear line of thought that doesn't use activity as argument. I invite you to make one based on the content of my posts, and I'll dunk it, and you afterwards if you fuck up. I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
Activity is an excellent argument. I am a true believer in simply lynching anybody who produces significantly less pages of filter than in his average town game. It works for me, it works for Hapa and I have no doubt it works for you. But here's what I compiled on you and was going to post before I saw you responded.
Regarding Vivax, he has been inactive as fuck. Usually he spams up the thread being an obnoxious dick when he's town, forcing people to listen to him. He either gets lynched himself, or nails most of the scum. As scum he is more subdued and cooperative. This game fits neither, because he is just plain afk.
However, there's some things that indicate he's a scummy fuck:
On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats?
His response was to say that he suspected Koshi, but that doesn't seem to be the main point of this post at all. More just buddying up to Oats. We then have:
On August 10 2013 03:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:53 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Vivax, you're the perfect one to answer this. You actually hydra'ed with Kush. The question was whether Kush says 'fags' normally. Does he? You would know much better than I.
I can only tell you that Kush likes the word ANAL. I prefer not having to draw conclusions from someone using specific derogative terms. You could let him do a IAT with town-scum categories and have him post the results here, that would be serious shit. Is there anyone specific you're trying to present to your lord for lynching?
Posting this makes no sense, other than, again, as a soft-defense. Why even bring this up? I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around why a loyalist would point this out. From a Blackfyre point of view it's obvious: it's a "look guys, I'm posting" post, with the added bonus of maybe sidetracking the thread and any discussion about kush.
The main point in Vivax's favour is Clarity defending him, saying he seemed convinced Yamato was scum in private. Nothing ever seems to have come from this private read. I would like Clarity to elaborate.
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On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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He's lord because I think he's town and so does johnny. I even believe kush thinks he's town, but he may have flipflopped back into believing he's scum in the meantime. Either way, he voted for him. The way we did it was:
jwup, Sharrant and kush vote for Sharrant
Acro votes for Acro
A 3-1 setup to ensure we don't have a crapshoot random lord if Sharrant gets knocked off during the night, but it was basically a unanimous vote for Sharrant. If kush had gone apeshit and not voted for sharrant, we would be lordless and I would be hollering that kush needed to get lynched asap. He didn't, so now I just want him shot at night.
Generally speaking, activity is a decent town tell, but there are some people it just doesn't work on. Try that shit on hopeless1der, for instance, I dare you. Or... grush. Or even Strongandbig (who I used to think it worked on until I really wanted to mislynch him in some of his town games).
Sharrant is about as confirmed town as we have in our realm. NOT voting for him would be fucking stupid. And while I agree claiming 1-shot cop doesn't make him actual confirmed town, I have so far seen absolutely NO reason to believe Sharrant is fakeclaiming.
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On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please.
Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there.
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On August 15 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:07 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please. Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there. You are scum or an idiot. Did you read Red Teams Prize already and compared that to your case?
I was IN RTP. What about it?
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On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch.
I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim.
The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me.
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On August 15 2013 02:26 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. How convenient.
How useless. Can you for a second assume Sharrant is town and work from there? Your pointless tunneling of a townie is getting us nowhere.
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On August 15 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am done talking with SnB. He is mafia.
Dandel explain? I have been PMing with Risen all game long, why is it impossible that i have a town read on him?
Awesome. @Risen: what is your opinion of raynpelikoneet?
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On August 15 2013 02:54 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right? The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant. ##unvote
##vote: Acrofales
/facepalm
Risen: GAIS. I HAVE A CONNECTION CASE THAT MAKES ACRO SCUM
Guys: But you're connecting him to an unflipped guy who is probably town
Risen: HRMM, MAYBE. BUT LETS LYNCH HIM AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONNECTION BACKWARDS!
Question: what happens when I flip town? Where does this connection go?
Honestly, I thought you were town, but could you be bamboozling me as badly as you did in CT? I mean. Your reads have made 0 sense this game. Nothing, nada, zip. I keep coming out on you being town because I don't think a scum you would go after the cop, but honestly, insane ballsy plays are not beyond your scumplay. In fact, they seem to define your scumplay:
- Flipflopping your vote 1 minute before the lynch
- Claiming parity cop on random people
Honestly, I have no clue what to think about you anymore.
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On August 15 2013 03:24 Risen wrote:Which question? And as to the nature of the scumslip, Xatalos has been in PMs with me for a while now soft defending Shar. I don't really think anything of it and I'm trying to bring him around to seeing Shar as scum. Nothing truly sticks out, I think he's just trying to gain perspective on me. He then tells me in PM that Shar's claimed 2 PM ability is simply house PMs. House have 3 people. The 2 PM ability isn't house PMs or it would be 3. ggnore
I'm not sure I follow. Sharrant was referring to me + the 2 other people in our house. There's nobody dead yet, so there's 4 of us.
And why does Xatalos bringing this up make it a scumslip from Xatalos? The info was already in the thread.
Please explain better.
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On August 15 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now Acro, who is guilty in this in this game: ??? Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 13:59 Acrofales wrote:
Wait. Where the hell is my vote. Are we sure we're killing tofu? Oh i know, YOU!
Didn't flip, nor flop. Plus, insane ballsy scumplays is not my scum meta.
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On August 15 2013 03:11 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:07 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 02:54 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right? The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant. ##unvote
##vote: Acrofales /facepalm Risen: GAIS. I HAVE A CONNECTION CASE THAT MAKES ACRO SCUM Guys: But you're connecting him to an unflipped guy who is probably town Risen: HRMM, MAYBE. BUT LETS LYNCH HIM AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONNECTION BACKWARDS! Question: what happens when I flip town? Where does this connection go? Honestly, I thought you were town, but could you be bamboozling me as badly as you did in CT? I mean. Your reads have made 0 sense this game. Nothing, nada, zip. I keep coming out on you being town because I don't think a scum you would go after the cop, but honestly, insane ballsy plays are not beyond your scumplay. In fact, they seem to define your scumplay: - Flipflopping your vote 1 minute before the lynch - Claiming parity cop on random people Honestly, I have no clue what to think about you anymore. This is my biggest problem with believing Acro is town. To disagree with me on my scum read of Sharrant and by connection him is one thing, but to give no merit to a case that has solid things that need answering is another. If he honestly believed I was scum he would push me and vote for me, but he knows I'm town and doesn't want to be the one to do it. There's a few people in this game pushing me but not putting their foot down and tunneling. I think it's a scumspiracy and they're just waiting for a town player to tunnel so they can pounce.
I gave merit to the little bit of the case you made on Sharrant that made sense. He has since explained that satisfactorily. I cannot wrap my head around you. It seems impossible for you to be scum and playing like this, but that's EXACTLY what burned me last time you were scum.
That said, I think you should be lynched AFTER Rayn. He's more likely scum than you. You are just batshit insane. So we lynch Rayn and if he is indeed scum, you're pretty much cleared. I don't think he would be hard defending you if you are scum with him. If I am inadvertently wrong and he's town, then all bets are off.
From now on I will be happy to ignore your batshit insane bullshit until such time as Rayn flips, proves conclusively that he's town or you scumclaim like Yamato.
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On August 15 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you actually think i am scum Acro?
1. You are focusing on all the wrong stuff. You spend an inordinate amount of time trying to "figure out" stuff, that is not indicative of alignment at all. It looks as if you're really busy and uncovering important information, but you're not. You're just wasting everybody's time.
2. You have few reads, and those you do have are badly explained. When asked about your reads, you promptly forget about what reads you had before, indicating that you made them up in the first place. SnB also pointed out that you have given 0 reasons for the reads that you HAVE posted in the thread. Your two reads that you have followed up on are Onegu, and more recently Mocsta. Onegu looks quite likely town to me. Mocsta is a bad lynch target for today and you should know that. Other than that you have gone after johnnywup, who I have explained a few times now, is probably town.
3. Your apparent unwill to be lord and take the spotlight of House Greyjoy. Now you can just yell and wave your arms about with no consequences: you have no vote. Fucking easy way out imho. Giving other people a turn if they want to and you have a town read makes some sense (your reasons for not contesting Risen on D2) to further gauge their playstyle. When it turns out they are batshit insane and will cause more harm than good regardless of their actual alignment, a townie would want that vote back. A scum would be happy to just sit out the ride and watch Risen cause wanton destruction: he was obviously going tunnel mode on Sharrant at the end of yesterday. Do you have a scumread on Sharrant? I don't think so. Why are you so complacent about the house vote, YOUR vote ending on someone you don't have a scumread on?
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On August 15 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
I was just going to say that Risen is basically mentally retarded. There's no way anyone sane could think I was scum from our exchange. Like what? I'm starting to lose faith in humanity and most of all in Risen's ability to think at all. On August 15 2013 03:35 Xatalos wrote:
But it does feel like he truly believed that so it's not really scummy. Just unbelievably dumb. Like totally ridiculous in every imaginable fashion. "Too dumb to be scum".... Not sure. He's taking that so far, is it intentional...... To be honest I doubt it. That's just such a great amount of stupid. What a nice person you are. Throw insults and then give him a townread, is that advancedz scumz tacticz? lol i do that all the time as town i may add.
You are (far) more useless than usual. You scum, bro?
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On August 15 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You fucking called me out on D2 for "not doing shit". Now you are calling me out for not doing shit. I wanted to be lord on D2, i wanted to be lord on D3. If i had not consolidated our house would have not a lord at all. wtf are you talking about Acro. You are full of shit.
Maybe if you did shit, I wouldn't call you out for not doing shit.
Still waiting for Risen's assessment of you. You claim to have PM'd a lot with him, but he hasn't responded. Maybe you did really want to be lord and were just being cockblocked. Why can't you stand up to a bully like Risen? Seems pretty simple from where I'm standing.
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On August 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: now you are calling me out for DOING SHIT that does not accomplish anything because i am not a lord.
I'm fucking done with this bullshit. I am scum because i am not a lord?
Nah, you're still not doing shit, except calling Mocsta scum because he won't own up to his predecessor's scummy shit. Yeah, his predecessor was pretty fucking scummy. Mocsta's play so far isn't really. Making him focus on his predecessor's crap is completely pointless and classifies as not doing shit (see my point 1).
Other than that, you are a backseat driver in pretty much everything that has happened in the thread, except for giving a town read on Risen.
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On August 15 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
i've wasted way too much time at work already. i'll be back in a few hours or something, idk. i'm not sure if i can keep this up, maybe it would be easier just to say fuck it. Just keep in mind that martyring means auto-lynch. It creates a terrible meta where scum can martyr and stop posting whenever they're pressured. Even if you are genuinely frustrated, it's not acceptable.
I disagree. There's genuine and fake martyring. This doesn't sound like martyring at all, but go and look at goodkarma's martyring post in Catch 22. So incredibly townie.
Also, I FINALLY remember where Rayn was playing scum. He got shot out of the blue by Coag. I don't think anybody else saw he was scum in that game. Gonna look at that again, and will also check Titanic.
About Strongandbig: he has been hovering on the edge of my scumdar. I suggested to Iamp that we shoot him in the face, but then he posted his case on Risen, which was good (at the time). I also thought this was a rather townie response to me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19495430
But it doesn't seem to be enough. Been watching this discussion from the sidelines (at work) and all I really see SnB doing is repeat "I'm not scum" in different words. Yeah, that's what anybody would say. Less saying that you're not scum and more doing stuff.
I do like the bits about Vivax.
On August 15 2013 05:35 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that.
I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false.
1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI.
2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection.
It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.)
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I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him.
I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind.
The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! This post sounds like the dying cry of a wounded animal for some reason. I think yamato's push on you is pretty null. He could have chosen to softly bus you (not going to get you lynched in any case). Or you're town and he just chose some townie. Actually the bussing theory makes more sense, but it's pretty null. Reactive: posting under pressure. Not doing anything meaningful while not under pressure. Scumhunting is the most important attribute of a townie. It's the most important part of defending yourself. If you can't provide that, even under pressure, you're not showing a town mindset. The problem is that when you're under pressure, you "can't focus". When you're not under pressure, you choose to just be passive. Why is Vivax scum? Do you have any other scumreads besides him and Risen? What do you think of Risen's failure attack on me? yamato's pressure was not soft, he was the one who started the arguments and themes that are currently getting me killed. i was not passive on day two, i put together a large case on risen, and i was not passive earlier this morning when i started posting about vivax. vivax is scum because he gave up his reads so easily when lords didn't agree with him, which is absolutely nothing like the town vivax i've played with, who shouts his reads at the mountains until the end of time and just rages when people don't listen to him. that's the main reason
That is a pretty accurate description of town Vivax and I haven't seen that Vivax this game either. House Stark sucks. Clarity should have the inside information and he says Strongandbig. Clarity seems like town.
Clarity, I have asked you twice now and still nothing: can you tell us more about Vivax, what he said about Yamato and why you seem to think he's town?
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On August 15 2013 06:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
alright going to sleep will be afk pretty much all of tomorrow. probably.
hf, lynch bitches, etc
##nuke Dandel Ion 
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