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I fell for the usual scumslip bias. Can you explain something to me nontheless? On July 30 2013 06:25 FirmTofu wrote: I'm not sure if I missed something. Can someone explain to me how and why rayn has a town read on Koshi and Vivax now? What about the Koshi part did you find worthy of explanation since Rayn seems to have reached the same conclusion as you? On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote: Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot  If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead. I'm not vig, being honest. I wanted to claim I'd shoot Vayne so the mofo would get scared and start posting, but I assumed it was night vig. Can you explain the bolded to me though? Do you auto-assume that stutters would flip red if shot? | ||
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Scumslip city tonight. Shoot JAT instead cause stutters would flip red and then I'd want to lynch JAT anyway. Are you high HZ? | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:54 FirmTofu wrote: Sure, rayn had a scum read on Koshi pre-flip when he was "99% sure Paper was town". Therefore, his read on Koshi should not have changed based on the flip, right? I didn't see any post in particular that warranted such a drastic shift from rayn so I'm asking if anyone can procure the post that changed his mind. That's a good question. Upon rereading this night's posts of Rayn, I don't see what happened to his Koshi scumread | ||
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Especially when me and the town push you off the ship. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Give it your best shot baby. Or you know, don't, cause I'm town. Yea sure. I'm sure town feels like shouting how townie they are during the phase where scum picks their targets. You can't fool me broski. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:07 Stutters695 wrote: Vivax my case wasn't based around the scumslip. What do you think of what I said? Very perceptive from you. Waiting for Tofu to explain where his scumreads went within two hours. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:16 hzflank wrote: I think that Stutters would probably flip red, but if I approach it in that order then I am setting myself up for a big fail. Attempting to name the entire scum team when we have no scum flips is foolish, but if I did so then Stutters would be in there. I would prefer to go one step at a time. Do you disagree with what he just brought up about FirmTofu? He brings up something quite good. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote: I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. More specifically, do you think that the point mentioned could have come from a scum stutters? | ||
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I'll be honest. I don't really understand Stutter's case on me. If someone could clarify what exactly he's getting at, that would be great. Explain what happened between those read posts of yours. + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote: My reads. I don't have much time, but I'll expand on these in my next post if there's still time. Player List: 1. Oatsmaster 2. Vivax 3. Clarity_nl 4. MCaptainJackSparrow 5. raynpelikoneet 6. Paperscraps 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 10. hzflank 11. Koshi 13. justanothertownie 14. exarezee Yes, I think exarezee is town now based on the way he's been behaving regarding the lynch. I'm null on those without colors. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum | ||
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Why did Malong, stutters and Koshi end up being town just cause PS flipped town? | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo and Koshi are very closely linked. They've been buddying each other the whole game. On reads and just about everything else. They were trying to prevent the PS lynch by voting hzflank, someone they thought was a stronger scumread. This makes sense if they were both town, but not if they are both scum. Thus, a PS town flip exonerates them. Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all. Did you simply forget to add him among your scumreads post-flip? Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. | ||
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If I die, still use your own head. I hate when people use my reads without some own reasoninhg post-death. | ||
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I can't stand when people play like that. | ||
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