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On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games?
Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me.
Why should you care who dies?
Who the fuck has this kind of mindset as town?
"I dont care who dies, I dont want it to be me. "
GUYS WANNA LYNCH KOSHI?
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On July 29 2013 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games?
Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me. Why should you care who dies? Who the fuck has this kind of mindset as town? "I dont care who dies, I dont want it to be me. " GUYS WANNA LYNCH KOSHI?
I might be reading too much into this, but that may be a trap aimed at me. Koshi knows that scum-me would jump on him for that but not push it too hard, because it would be too easy to just let townies finish him.
I think I have figured out Koshi's play this game. Since out last game together he now checks under the bed for me before he goes to sleep.
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On July 29 2013 01:46 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games?
Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me. Why should you care who dies? Who the fuck has this kind of mindset as town? "I dont care who dies, I dont want it to be me. " GUYS WANNA LYNCH KOSHI? I might be reading too much into this, but that may be a trap aimed at me. Koshi knows that scum-me would jump on him for that but not push it too hard, because it would be too easy to just let townies finish him. I think I have figured out Koshi's play this game. Since out last game together he now checks under the bed for me before he goes to sleep.
You were quite scary in that game.
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I might have been hasty with that PS townread.
Among his reads there's this:
On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far.Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through.
This is the stuff Oats said before:
July 28 2013 02:06
Possibly vivax.
One of these dudes is almost surely scum though.
Rayn, stutters, Malongo, Vivax.
Actually can everyone give their views on Hzflank?
I feel that his first post is really bad.
July 28 2013 02:13.
So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum.
Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to raw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum.
July 28 2013 03:14.
hey tofu wanna lynch justanothertownie?
Why/why not?
Read your case, if Im not wrong, it is basically stuff surrounding paperscraps and his 2 wagon shit right? I dunno man, its a lotta conspiracy theory based on scum setting up wagons and leaving himself outs. From what Ive seen, scum dont really leave themself outs. I dunno, your logic is fine, but I feel that exarezee has been posting really clearly and I can see his thought process and all that townie shit. Also not a good idea to kill active poster day 1.
If you compare them with PS' post, it doesn't really show the type of match that you would expect for a guy to go all like "WOW OATS WTF SUCH SICK READS MUST BE TOWN" . Rayn, stutters, me , malongo all appear among Oats' reads, but PS doesn't even mention them in his post. I want to see what Ps has to say to this.
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First is Vivax:
It's really interesting to me he's so gung ho on lynching me for inactivity when, of anyone in this game, he would know my activity isn't a tell of my alignment at all. I play when I'm at work/have free time I'm not spending with my girlfriend. That's a constant as scum or town.
He attacked me for a single post, before I've really even started playing when a quick one liner is literally my only course of generating discussion when all I have time to do is drop a phone post.
He also put the accusation on the back burner to endorse the lynch of another coinflip in Vayne avoiding discussing the actual happenings of the thread. That's off of what I'd expect from Vivax. He usually has a mix of good reads with bad but as a constant he's stubborn and pushes them. I don't see that here.
His reason for lynching Hz is practically identical to his reason for lynching me and he still isn't showing the original thoughts I expect from him.
Food for thought(i wouldn't bar lynching him off of this but it's interesting ): last two times he's played as scum in a game I've been in he's attempted to lynch me (YANMM & Roulette) as an easy mislynch due to my usually scummy nature. First time he got lynched over me, second time he backed off the read in a fashion very similar to how he backed off of Hz .
I don't think he's a d1 lynch right now but if he doesn't start showing up in a meaningful way I'd definitely lynch him.
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On July 29 2013 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:
First is Vivax:
It's really interesting to me he's so gung ho on lynching me for inactivity when, of anyone in this game, he would know my activity isn't a tell of my alignment at all. I play when I'm at work/have free time I'm not spending with my girlfriend. That's a constant as scum or town.
He attacked me for a single post, before I've really even started playing when a quick one liner is literally my only course of generating discussion when all I have time to do is drop a phone post.
He also put the accusation on the back burner to endorse the lynch of another coinflip in Vayne avoiding discussing the actual happenings of the thread. That's off of what I'd expect from Vivax. He usually has a mix of good reads with bad but as a constant he's stubborn and pushes them. I don't see that here.
His reason for lynching Hz is practically identical to his reason for lynching me and he still isn't showing the original thoughts I expect from him.
Food for thought(i wouldn't bar lynching him off of this but it's interesting ): last two times he's played as scum in a game I've been in he's attempted to lynch me (YANMM & Roulette) as an easy mislynch due to my usually scummy nature. First time he got lynched over me, second time he backed off the read in a fashion very similar to how he backed off of Hz .
I don't think he's a d1 lynch right now but if he doesn't start showing up in a meaningful way I'd definitely lynch him.
Things like
So basically you don't have a stance on it?
can be considered generating discussion in your opinion?
Especially, PS said something very similar to what I said in that post, and you chose to attack him but not me, I discussed this with hz.
I don't know where you got the notion I bolded, can you walk me through it?
What constitutes original thought to you? Do you think I'm recycling other people's opinions?
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On July 29 2013 01:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:46 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games?
Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me. Why should you care who dies? Who the fuck has this kind of mindset as town? "I dont care who dies, I dont want it to be me. " GUYS WANNA LYNCH KOSHI? I might be reading too much into this, but that may be a trap aimed at me. Koshi knows that scum-me would jump on him for that but not push it too hard, because it would be too easy to just let townies finish him. I think I have figured out Koshi's play this game. Since out last game together he now checks under the bed for me before he goes to sleep. You were quite scary in that game.
So what are you doing this game?
If you are town then you must realise that you position is becoming increasingly precarious. As town you are currently an easy lynch target that anyone can attack and anyone can vote for without even looking at all scummy. That is not a good position for a townie to get into.
I am trying to figure out your gameplan here but the best I can see is that you have some kind of meta-vendatta against me and just want to catch me out as scum. You were better than this in the previous game.
You must appreciate that if I cannot figure out how you are playing to win as town then it looks a lot like you are playing to win as scum. And do not tell me that you are not playing to win as I do not buy that sort of thing at all.
Whose filters have you read recently? Did you find anything interesting? Do you have any in-game reasons for wanting to lynch me?
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On July 29 2013 00:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Fuck this game.
On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore.
Autotownread for this, I just don't see scum being such a douche to do this to themselves and their team. But usually shit like this constitutes playing against wincon.
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On July 29 2013 02:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore. Autotownread for this, I just don't see scum being such a douche to do this to themselves and their team. But usually shit like this constitutes playing against wincon.
If he's town it's playing against his wincon as well, your logic makes no sense.
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Sentinel is banned and I know Aqua is a good guy but it's his first time hosting. I have no idea what normally happens in these situations, but if you (Aqua) have not already perhaps you should check with Cora whether he actually wants to quit or not, as there is a replacement on the list.
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On July 29 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:
First is Vivax:
It's really interesting to me he's so gung ho on lynching me for inactivity when, of anyone in this game, he would know my activity isn't a tell of my alignment at all. I play when I'm at work/have free time I'm not spending with my girlfriend. That's a constant as scum or town.
He attacked me for a single post, before I've really even started playing when a quick one liner is literally my only course of generating discussion when all I have time to do is drop a phone post.
He also put the accusation on the back burner to endorse the lynch of another coinflip in Vayne avoiding discussing the actual happenings of the thread. That's off of what I'd expect from Vivax. He usually has a mix of good reads with bad but as a constant he's stubborn and pushes them. I don't see that here.
His reason for lynching Hz is practically identical to his reason for lynching me and he still isn't showing the original thoughts I expect from him.
Food for thought(i wouldn't bar lynching him off of this but it's interesting ): last two times he's played as scum in a game I've been in he's attempted to lynch me (YANMM & Roulette) as an easy mislynch due to my usually scummy nature. First time he got lynched over me, second time he backed off the read in a fashion very similar to how he backed off of Hz .
I don't think he's a d1 lynch right now but if he doesn't start showing up in a meaningful way I'd definitely lynch him. Things like can be considered generating discussion in your opinion? Especially, PS said something very similar to what I said in that post, and you chose to attack him but not me, I discussed this with hz. I don't know where you got the notion I bolded, can you walk me through it? What constitutes original thought to you? Do you think I'm recycling other people's opinions?
Typing up who I'd rather lynch but I know you're smart weigh to realize that by posting that I had no objective except to try and generate discussion. If I was scum trying to lead a mislynch wagon I would certainly read the thread more closely to make sure I wasn't doing that at random. It would also serve no purpose except to call attention to my self considering I didn't follow it up Basically I opened the thread, saw that post and posted to gauge reactions since I didn't have time to actually play and that post felt very safe/avoiding a stance.
Regarding the Hz thing I'll quote the post after(phone posting) but considering he agreed with me and your interaction with him about it is why you found him scummy I assumed it was because he agreed.
Finishing up my other post now.
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On July 29 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:
Right now im interested into knowing who hzflanks other three scumspects are, if he has any besides paperscraps.
Found him kinda scummy since the thing with stutters, where he used one argument on paperscraps but not on me. I need still to analyze his other posts more properly though. I suggest that's a good place to start looking if you want to find something weird about hz.
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On July 29 2013 02:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 02:09 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 00:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Fuck this game. On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore. Autotownread for this, I just don't see scum being such a douche to do this to themselves and their team. But usually shit like this constitutes playing against wincon. If he's town it's playing against his wincon as well, your logic makes no sense.
And yet it's right, I've never seen a player ragequit and flip scum, when the players committment towards his own yh
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Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.
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On July 29 2013 02:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.
Seriously, don't feel the need to explain IRL reasons to us. Just come back and say IRL stuff done and then play the game again.
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On July 29 2013 02:02 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:47 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 01:46 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games?
Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me. Why should you care who dies? Who the fuck has this kind of mindset as town? "I dont care who dies, I dont want it to be me. " GUYS WANNA LYNCH KOSHI? I might be reading too much into this, but that may be a trap aimed at me. Koshi knows that scum-me would jump on him for that but not push it too hard, because it would be too easy to just let townies finish him. I think I have figured out Koshi's play this game. Since out last game together he now checks under the bed for me before he goes to sleep. You were quite scary in that game. So what are you doing this game? If you are town then you must realise that you position is becoming increasingly precarious. As town you are currently an easy lynch target that anyone can attack and anyone can vote for without even looking at all scummy. That is not a good position for a townie to get into. I am trying to figure out your gameplan here but the best I can see is that you have some kind of meta-vendatta against me and just want to catch me out as scum. You were better than this in the previous game. You must appreciate that if I cannot figure out how you are playing to win as town then it looks a lot like you are playing to win as scum. And do not tell me that you are not playing to win as I do not buy that sort of thing at all. Whose filters have you read recently? Did you find anything interesting? Do you have any in-game reasons for wanting to lynch me?
Nono. I am not out for you. I just find it a similar playstyle. You don't agree?
Also there is no reason for bad blood between us. SK killed me right? I loved your game. I just want the same to happen here. You know. Because I am town.
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Fucking mosquitos man.
Anyway, I won't touch Cora for sure, I think the probable ragequit makes him town. Townies tend to be more egoistical.
Stutters, i disagreed cause you reduced my reasons to that single post when they are mroe complex than that. It's true that I found it suspicious that you two went selective on me and paper (which is a fact cause we said the same thing but you only suspected him), but applying that statement to the current situation just isn't right, aside from the fact that I'm currently leaning town on HZ for that part about his Oats post. If he's scum he's a pro actor.
So let me recap: You threw shit in from the sidelines, you show really low activity, and you applied your reasoning to PS but not to me.
HZ did the same selective thing, but he also tunneled PS in a way I found suspicious cause he tends to interpret what he gets about him in the worst way possible, and replied in your favour when I suspected you, which I found odd at such an early stage.
If I get it right, I'm your scumread yes? Then I'm sure you're going to find plenty of reasons for that argument in my filter, I'm eager to hear your case for me being scum.
You can claim being busy all you want, I'm also busy every time I roll scum.
Looking forward to hear your opinions on other players as well, not just the guy who suspects you.
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On July 29 2013 02:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.
Sorry I lynched you in Bluelightz...
Hey guys, I'm just about caught up. I find it extremely suspicious that Vivax has not read/answered my questions about him. Vivax, any reason you've been avoiding me?
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