Because I'm phone posting use this page of FTs filter for reference I'll be referring to then by numbers(post 4 is the list, if Paper flips green #5 etc)
First, everything before the deadline time is pretty much discussed to death. If needed/requested I can show people why that's scummy but I don't really think it's necessary.
Anyway post #5 is where I'm starting. This post originally stood out to me because it looked like a scum slip (saying they were town and I misread it out of context of the quote because of how hectic it was). Not quite as damning as I thought, but after seeing Paper's flip, this is bad. Scum tofu knows Paper is going to flip green and his only other reads are on huge lynchbait+ myself. This gives him an out to avoid only pushing the easy cases scum love so much.
Yes I'm aware this section is based off of the assumption he is scum, but here is what planted that thought.
Read post 4, 6, and 10.
Of his three scum reads in post 4 & 6 (other than paper), suddenly none of them are scum. Two of them I addressed why above but the most damming IMO is how he drops me from his scum reads for no explained reason.
I was scum because I "popped in to vote me(tofu)". Now look at his new XRZ, Rayn, and Hz reads. He dropped a read with justification(albeit wrong) on me and replaced that with "reads" that say they've been playing town but he's going to look into them and they're slightly scummy.
That is not town hunting scum. That's someone telling the thread what they want to hear to push his own agenda.
On July 30 2013 07:03 Vivax wrote: You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity. Especially when me and the town push you off the ship.
Give it your best shot baby. Or you know, don't, cause I'm town.
Yea sure. I'm sure town feels like shouting how townie they are during the phase where scum picks their targets. You can't fool me broski.
With you doing this I'm obviously not getting nightkilled you dumbass. This feels like Mario Mini where I was obvtown, people called me obvtown, and then suddenly random townies made cases on me d3 and I died.
Make your damn case so I can explain why you're an idiot and you can move on to better things.
I know that feel man. Last game if Tofu didn't make that boss play I was probably going to be mislynched d2. Roulette I was going to be mislynched except that vivax got confirmed scum through the roulette actions. Now I'm going to get mislynched/viged because all people see is a two page filter rather than what I'm saying in the pages.
On July 30 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote: Can you explain the bolded to me though? Do you auto-assume that stutters would flip red if shot?
I think that Stutters would probably flip red, but if I approach it in that order then I am setting myself up for a big fail. Attempting to name the entire scum team when we have no scum flips is foolish, but if I did so then Stutters would be in there. I would prefer to go one step at a time.
Do you disagree with what he just brought up about FirmTofu? He brings up something quite good.
I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters.
Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy.
If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum.
Here is the problem with that line of thinking. When the PS wagon started rolling, he was against it initially. He concocted two completely association based scumteams to allow himself to get on the wagon without being completely scummy for it. He offers no justification for the associations beyond basic "buddying" nor any explanation for why Mal/Koshi can't be scum if Paper wasn't. He isn't contributing in any meaningful way and is skirting actually contributing in favor of telling us what we want to hear. This isn't the same tofu from I swear 2
Anyway if anyone wants to bounce ideas I'll be here until like 8 or 9 edt and then I'll be drinking at a bar where I only get service in the parking lot so I won't be playing much, maybe checking my phone on a smoke break.
And in case I'm not around after the night ends. Viging me would be straight retarded when this game has Mal/Vayne in it (or even better, Tofu if you want to treat it as a second lynch instead of clearing a 50/50 type lurker).
Also if you shoot during the night I'll take that as a scum claim because there is literally no upside to it. It allows a scum Janitor to either hide the flip or also try to kill at night.
You also can't get RB'd during the day if I'm not mistaken so you should announce your shot before you PM it in. This makes a scum kill attempting to look like a town Vig a 50% chance at outing them since it might not kill.
Why would I do that as scum? If I don't waffle on PS I don't draw attention to myself and I still accomplish the same goal in that case of lynching a townie.
I defended myself because I had two people pushing me as scum. If I didn't defend myself you/Hz accuse me if being scum for ignoring you. If I defend, you say what you did. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
I think I explained my thoughts pretty damn well on FT. The dude is scum, read it and see for yourself. If you want I can give you my top three but I generally prefer to focus one at a time.
I also have explained my motivation for lynching despite my town read towards the end. Have you even been reading the thread?
And whether you see it or not, that was the towniest post in the thread imo. I stand by that read unless something drastic happens.
On July 29 2013 07:48 Stutters695 wrote: Like I said Rayn I don't get him. Based off of NWM he should be an obvious lynch but I heard his game before NWM was equally terrible (as town). Your case would be a lot more powerful on just about anyone other than him(maybe not Mal) but I don't think it's enough to lynch him over Paper.
On July 30 2013 13:10 Stutters695 wrote: Care to justify that at all oats or are you just throwing retarded theories around?
The part where I dont call you confirmed town?
No, the part where you say to lynch me after Mal.
Why you lying dawg?
Also I'm aware you were scum in NWM. I explained earlier I was taking what people were saying in post game as a fact rather than reading your previous games.
On July 30 2013 22:24 Stutters695 wrote: Oats, why?
Also Koshi what made you change from me being scum to town over the last couple of pages?
time for you to read my filter.
Wanna lynch Malongo?
Give me a little to reread Vaynes cluster fuck. Tofu is definitely my lynch of choice currently. My only worry with him is in I Swear he did something really dumb(attempted to vig his mason partner before he even knew who it was but cancelled it). Let me get back to you.
And I know what you've said. A gut read isn't a good reason.
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