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We didn't kill people who we thought were doing a great job at doing our job for us.
Anti-town Townies:
rayn- Posting incessantly, switching reads frequently, shitting up the thread with one liners and baseless accusations.
This is a guy that is volatile and manipulable. He over-posted, making it hard for townies to catch up to the thread and understand what he was talking about.
XRZ- Claiming cop at the last minute right before a lynch on scum. Pursuing scumreads on townies. We knew we could paint this guy in a bad light, so we kept him alive.
Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
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I think one of the main problems was that none of us really took a step back and reevaluated after like day 3/4 and flips and such.
So therefore I thought FT was town when I really shouldnt have, other dudes thought koshi was scum when he wasnt and NOBODY LYNCHED STUTTERS!!  (
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Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town 
I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum.
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On August 07 2013 10:24 Oatsmaster wrote:I think one of the main problems was that none of us really took a step back and reevaluated after like day 3/4 and flips and such. So therefore I thought FT was town when I really shouldnt have, other dudes thought koshi was scum when he wasnt and NOBODY LYNCHED STUTTERS!! (
I actually made a very pro-town post that no one read asking everyone to look into Clarity's filter. Town thought I was scum at that point so everyone ignored it. Their loss.
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On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum.
Suspecting CJS and actually pursuing his lynch are two very different things. You were never going to pursue a lynch on CJS so we weren't worried about that. You are right about the Stutters bit, though.
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On August 07 2013 10:26 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:24 Oatsmaster wrote:I think one of the main problems was that none of us really took a step back and reevaluated after like day 3/4 and flips and such. So therefore I thought FT was town when I really shouldnt have, other dudes thought koshi was scum when he wasnt and NOBODY LYNCHED STUTTERS!! ( I actually made a very pro-town post that no one read asking everyone to look into Clarity's filter. Town thought I was scum at that point so everyone ignored it. Their loss.
You know I got a really bad feeling about you calling me town so often, and then going back into lurk mode.
I dunno why you weren't considered for a lynch this last day.
That dodge d2 though, LOL.
Well played!
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@Clarity
You played well, but as you said, you grew less confident as the days passed. Stick to your guns and play confidently no matter what happens. It'll make you look town and scare scum simultaneously. Probably would draw the NK too. We would've killed you sooner had you kept up your Day 1 play.
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On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum.
You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me
God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora...
The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority.
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I just think it's funny that we won the game without killing a single blue. Goes to show that claiming isn't all what it's cracked up to be.
I think both hz's vet claim and rayn's cop claim played a significant part in losing the game for town.
hz would have probably drawn a shot from us had he not claimed. The claim may have somewhat cleared him in town's eyes, but it is not worth the nullification of his ability.
Rayn's cop claim was completely unnecessary. He only had a town read, first of all. Why claim and draw the roleblock, condemning yourself to uselessness when you don't even have a scum read?
Unless he was really afraid of drawing the night kill AND he was certain that a doc was in the game, claiming made no sense whatsoever.
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Yeah majority voting is rough.
Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D
Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz.
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On August 07 2013 10:37 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum. You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora... The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority.
You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well?
I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before.
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On August 07 2013 10:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah majority voting is rough.
Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D
Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz.
Well if Koshi had gotten off of my back I might of been able to see clearer
Also, I honestly thought Cora was town. I thought that if we had a doctor they claimed a couple of hours before the end of D3 so that we do not lynch Exar.
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On August 07 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:37 hzflank wrote:On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum. You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora... The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority. You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well? I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before.
It's never as simple as "all town have to be on scum for scum to get lynched", since scum will betray its team.
But yes, majority is kind of icky (it's also pretty common, don't know how you've never seen it before)
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I mean Cora played D4 like scum. Really really really like scum. If I had known Godfather was possible I would of questioned him.
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On August 07 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:37 hzflank wrote:On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum. You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora... The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority. You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well? I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before.
I think majority lynch is a useful mechanic that hosts can use to give a slight bump in balance towards scum. If the hosts wanted to make a relatively strong town, they could give scum majority lynch to somewhat balance the setup.
I personally don't like ML, but I can understand why it was used.
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On August 07 2013 10:41 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah majority voting is rough.
Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D
Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz. Well if Koshi had gotten off of my back I might of been able to see clearer Also, I honestly thought Cora was town. I thought that if we had a doctor they claimed a couple of hours before the end of D3 so that we do not lynch Exar.
Don't quit mafia hz, you have a mind for it, strong critical and analytic thinking.
Yeah, you were wrong about a lot but you got people talking about the right things and if you hone those skills you'll do better every game.
You're kind of screwed if you roll scum though. I don't see you emulating this. You'll have to fake being ill or something, lol
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On August 07 2013 10:42 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 07 2013 10:37 hzflank wrote:On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats- Not really doing anything of substance while calling scum 100% confirmed town. This guy had to stay alive, he was a big asset.
I only called you confirmed town I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum. You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora... The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority. You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well? I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before. I think majority lynch is a useful mechanic that hosts can use to give a slight bump in balance towards scum. If the hosts wanted to make a relatively strong town, they could give scum majority lynch to somewhat balance the setup. I personally don't like ML, but I can understand why it was used.
Given that mafia is usually 25% of the town, I fail to see how ML was necessary here. In my only scum game mini we played a 4 scum team vs 16 town and I felt it was pretty even. I don't see how scum needed an extra bump if that's what your saying but I don't want to get into balance as that wasn't the point.
The point being, ML neuters options for both sides and isn't as interesting as plurality.
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hmm, I played 1 game as scum and everyone thought I was town. Then an SK killed me while aiming for town and the scum team crumbled since the other scum were all inactive :/
I enjoyed playing scum more than town.
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The big difference is when I played scum I did pushed a D1 wagon hard but then stopped short at the end so the guy did not get lynched. In this game as town I kept pushing so when he flipped green people thought I was more scum based on the flip.
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On August 07 2013 10:45 hzflank wrote:
hmm, I played 1 game as scum and everyone thought I was town. Then an SK killed me while aiming for town and the scum team crumbled since the other scum were all inactive :/
I enjoyed playing scum more than town.
I enjoy scum more than town as well, but I feel that I am better at playing town. As a side note, your experience is exactly why I hate all 3P setups.
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