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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 04 2013 18:33 GMT
#4081
*making fun of me
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43237 Posts
August 04 2013 18:35 GMT
#4082
Sorry, that was not my intention and if you feel like it was i apologize.

Anyways, i support the Koshi lynch in case i die. I´m going to take a relook into FT/Stutters/JAT before the deadline and post my thoughts about them. I don´t think anyone else can be scum.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 04 2013 18:38 GMT
#4083
Any particular concerns you'd like me to answer before then in case you do die?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43237 Posts
August 04 2013 18:45 GMT
#4084
I would really like your reasoning on your scum dudes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43237 Posts
August 04 2013 18:49 GMT
#4085
Like the most problem i see in you being town Stutters is that you are not trying to find mafia or prove that you are town. That should come from you naturally. You are asking other people what you should tell them. That´s not a townie approach in my opinion.

Why do you feel the need to ask what to talk about? Why not just tell the town who you think is mafia and why?
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 04 2013 18:54 GMT
#4086
Well I think I've explained FT pretty well. I'll type some stuff up on Koshi and then the third later. Cases take a hot minute on my phone.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 04 2013 19:11 GMT
#4087
On August 05 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the most problem i see in you being town Stutters is that you are not trying to find mafia or prove that you are town. That should come from you naturally. You are asking other people what you should tell them. That´s not a townie approach in my opinion.

Why do you feel the need to ask what to talk about? Why not just tell the town who you think is mafia and why?


Because this is MYLO and if you spend your last post(assuming your shot tonight) with a misguided conclusion that I'm scum tomorrow and people listen, it's gg. Tofu is 100% scum, I'd say Koshi is 95% and I have time to figure out the third for certain. If I get mislynched we lose and it makes no difference what I spend my time doing. Since I'm pretty damn confident they're both scum the only thing left for me to do is make sure I survive past them.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 19:20 GMT
#4088
@Oats

Read through Tofu's day 3 play again and then tell me that he must be town due to a day 1 townslip.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
August 04 2013 19:22 GMT
#4089
On August 05 2013 04:20 hzflank wrote:
@Oats

Read through Tofu's day 3 play again and then tell me that he must be town due to a day 1 townslip.

QFT!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:02 GMT
#4090
At this point hz could be scum again. But who is going to lynch the guy? I warned you for exactly this on the first day.

Here is my case again which I made on day 1.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote:
HZFLANK


If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in.
Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game.
I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on...

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?


I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town.

Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.

Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.


Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch)
But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case)

I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did:

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote:
Why do I really want to lynch paper now? And why do I have a feeling we are heading towards a no lynch?


On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me.

Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that.


Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it.
hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up:
(I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before)
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank.

Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player.

But as scum?

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.)
2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum


THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!!



+ Show Spoiler +
On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:
So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time.
1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town

Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player.


I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you.

I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town.

Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:
A scum player on the other hand
1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise
2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town


A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie.




Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards.


You guys do remember hz his first day right? Tunneling paper and not putting any effort on other people.

hz his second day compared to his first was way more open, really good and I have no problem at all with that day, except around the lynch he was making stupid posts again. Posts containing stupid question like: "In rayns mind there are 5 people confirmed town, does rayn play like that?".

hz his third day was making 500 association posts (which all concluded that FT or me should be lynched next unless XRZ flipped red) and saying how hard he was looking for signs that XRZ was town.


BUT WHO THE FUCK KNOWS WHO IS SCUM in this game. You guys don't. None of you. Except them scummies ofc.
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16627 Posts
August 04 2013 20:03 GMT
#4091
so koshi you giving up?
No gg, No skill.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:04 GMT
#4092
Rayn start of day 3 is just fucking absurd. Why would he put so much pressure on XRZ directly? Night post was there and not 5 mins later rayn was already putting a shitload of pressure on XRZ who answered stupidly and we saw the next 48 XRZ being tunneled into the ground.

But why put pressure on XRZ? I was thinking this guy was the cop and rayn the fake. It would make sense that rayn actually is a cop, I even think he is. But he should die now. NOW. Tonight.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:06 GMT
#4093
On August 05 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
so koshi you giving up?

Nope. I haven't lost a game yet and haven't been lynched yet. So let's not make me getting lynched my first loss.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:08 GMT
#4094
Scum play this game is just next level shit. Or town play is superbad with hz and rayn as the leaders.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 04 2013 20:10 GMT
#4095
Koshi, since you won't admit to being scum, are you admitting to being terrible town?
Say all you want about rayn and hz, they've been making an effort (hz in particular)
You can't possibly believe hz is scum at this point
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:10 GMT
#4096
On August 05 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 05 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 05 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
XRZ lynch was made possible by your insane start on day 3. You fucked him up early and pushed him 24/7. I blame you for XRZ lynch.

You can´t blame me because you did nothing to stop my "insane push" but instead voted WITH me.

stop fighting rayn.............
What matters now? Lynching scum or boosting your ego?

I am pointing out an argument that makes no sense for town player to make.

it makes every sense for a town player to make.

You pushed the lynch. You lynched town.


It is an argument that makes sense for those people to make who didn´t vote for XRZ. The dude fucking believed my case was good and sheeped me. Now he blames me for lynching town when in the whole game he has made no effort in lynching anyone, just vote with someone with no real reasoning of his own.

In addition to that, if you are town and get lynched you are doing something wrong. It´s always your fault if you get lynched as town and noone else´s, unless there are only scum votes on you and the lynch goes somehow through that way. If you look townie as town you should not get lynched. It´s that simple and there is a reason certain players get never mislynched as town and some people do.

You fucking know how you played Day 3 right? If you and hzflank are both town. You 2 fucking lost this game. It's that simple.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#4097
On August 05 2013 05:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi, since you won't admit to being scum, are you admitting to being terrible town?
Say all you want about rayn and hz, they've been making an effort (hz in particular)
You can't possibly believe hz is scum at this point

Yes I admit that and you will never see me play like this. It's a newbie mistake. Rayn doesn't like me saying I am bad at this game but it is true. This is my 5th game and I still have to make a lot of mistakes for the first time. It's what it is. I decided to give stupid list on day 1 and trolled early day 2. I shot all my credibility and I pay for that now. On top of that I am easy lynchbait.

I failed town this game. I know it. But 200 pages later, I know that it should have been possible for me to redeem myself. But it is hard when there 1 guy screaming at everybody to lynch XRZ and another guy making association cases 24/7. That's all what these 2 confirmed townies have done. Instead of playing this normal, keep asking good questions and try to really figure out who the scums are.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 04 2013 20:15 GMT
#4098
Yes, I am flinging shit at these 2 now, and yes it is because XRZ flipped town.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43237 Posts
August 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#4099
Maybe i´ll turn into scum if you discredit me enough Koshi.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#4100
On August 05 2013 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 05:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi, since you won't admit to being scum, are you admitting to being terrible town?
Say all you want about rayn and hz, they've been making an effort (hz in particular)
You can't possibly believe hz is scum at this point

Yes I admit that and you will never see me play like this. It's a newbie mistake. Rayn doesn't like me saying I am bad at this game but it is true. This is my 5th game and I still have to make a lot of mistakes for the first time. It's what it is. I decided to give stupid list on day 1 and trolled early day 2. I shot all my credibility and I pay for that now. On top of that I am easy lynchbait.

I failed town this game. I know it. But 200 pages later, I know that it should have been possible for me to redeem myself. But it is hard when there 1 guy screaming at everybody to lynch XRZ and another guy making association cases 24/7. That's all what these 2 confirmed townies have done. Instead of playing this normal, keep asking good questions and try to really figure out who the scums are.


Wait.

Do you consider hz possible scum, or do you consider him confirmed town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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