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On August 03 2013 23:25 hzflank wrote:
Basically, if Oats is town it makes a lot of sense for him to not want to vote for Exar. Same for Cora.
You think that Oats is town and you have a green check on Cora?
On the other hand it makes little sense for Tofu to be voting for Exar. Tofu does not buy insurance, Tofu buys lottery tickets.
I don´t follow you, what are you saying?
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Town-Tofu does not think about routes to victory. Town-Tofu picks the person who he thinks is scum and pushes as hard as he can to lynch them on that day. He does not care about how much information is gained from a lynch.
Cora and Clarity are likely to be the same alignment as XRZ, so if Cora is town then it makes sense for Cora to want to not lynch XRZ today.
If Oats is knows that he is town then he can afford to push on the person who he thinks is most likely to be scum. He does not need information as much as I do. Lets say Oats pushes a Koshi lynch and Koshi flips town, then there would only be 2 possible scum teams left to Oats, and he has a good chance to study the game and work out which is correct.
Cora and Oat's play makes sense to me as town, Tofu's does not.
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On August 03 2013 23:59 hzflank wrote:
Town-Tofu does not think about routes to victory. Town-Tofu picks the person who he thinks is scum and pushes as hard as he can to lynch them on that day. He does not care about how much information is gained from a lynch.
Cora and Clarity are likely to be the same alignment as XRZ, so if Cora is town then it makes sense for Cora to want to not lynch XRZ today.
If Oats is knows that he is town then he can afford to push on the person who he thinks is most likely to be scum. He does not need information as much as I do. Lets say Oats pushes a Koshi lynch and Koshi flips town, then there would only be 2 possible scum teams left to Oats, and he has a good chance to study the game and work out which is correct.
Cora and Oat's play makes sense to me as town, Tofu's does not.
Yeah but Cora´s play makes also sense if he is scum and Clarity is a total questionmark for me. On the other hand he looks really town buyt then he does these weird vote switches at the end of the day i can´t tell what´s with them.
If we do not lynch XRZ scum are XRZ+Clarity+Cora or FT+Koshi+JAT/XRZ and if we go wrong on the next day (because the groups are accusing each other) we are fucked.
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TLDR; When we lynch XRZ, if he flips town, we besically got our mafia team right there unless someone is making a big play. Scum has to be 3 of FT + Koshi + JAT + Stutters in that case. There are 4 people and i feel the best about Stutters, but basically everyone else is semi-confirmed and do not even need to be looked into. Only one of those guys is town and we have much easier time to find that out other than looking into 6/9 players to find 3 mafia.
If we leave XRZ alive we have a lot more question marks.
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I agree that lynching XRZ is the safest play. I am just having a hard time for 2 reasons: I think Clarity is likely town and I cannot understand why scum-XRZ unclaimed when he did.
The three likely scum-team would be:
XRZ
Cora
Clarity
XRZ
FT
Koshi
FT
Koshi
JAT
As scum XRZ would not of claimed cop unless either Cora or FT were scum. I am doubting that Stutters and FT are both scum.
I suppose it could be Stutters, Koshi and JAT, but I see that as less likely.
Therefore we also get a lot of information from lynching FT or Koshi. And FT just really looks like scum.
Also, if you count the fourth potential scum team then Koshi is on 3 out of 4, so he might be a good lynch.
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Remember how desperate Koshi was to not lynch FT on D2? Koshi was really excited about getting the vote moved to Stutters or Cora, and that started a long time before the deadline.
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ive pushed hard that i am town with a drumk.rsyn. id be repeating myself and jyst saying the same things over and over again. if u dont believe my story, how else can i convince you. you guys also say u can solve this game if i flip town.
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On August 04 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:
ive pushed hard that i am town with a drumk.rsyn. id be repeating myself and jyst saying the same things over and over again. if u dont believe my story, how else can i convince you. you guys also say u can solve this game if i flip town.
So who do you think is scum?
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I am with Rayn in that the reason I am scared to not lynch XRZ is that I do not want to lose to an XRZ/Cora/Clarity team. But we have a green check on Cora and I think that Clarity is town. That makes me think it is a bit dumb for me to be so scared of that team.
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Just for your information: I'm perfectly fine with a Tofu lynch. I would not be the biggest fan of a Koshi lynch but if you guys (hz, rayn) decided he is the best lynch I would be on board too.
For the moment I like my vote where it is though.
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also me, koshi, ft doesnt too much sense. rayn thought that was likely scum trio malongo, koshi, ft, definitely would kill him b4 vayne.
since i know im town, makes less sense koshi, ft both scum.as well. they know id be pushing them hard this day.
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welk, i know im town. rayn town cora town, clarity town. i think ur town hz. at this point of the game, im just going to assume we had.2 prs.
is it possible tofu is scum while koshi isnt? go look at day 1. tofu posts a ton about malongo and koshi. im on phone and cant show u guys this. im like certain if koshi is scum, tofu is. but i also think they would have shot me over vayne, as i have been claiming that from the get go. so if its posdible koshi is village while tofu scum, then remaining 2 scum come from jat, oats, stutters
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This lynch is really stupid.
You guys are making a shit ton of assumptions and bad cases and yet you guys have 7 votes on XRC. Some of you aren't even trying! Koshi's vote was 100% sheeping, and he should be lynched next. Calling himself "emotionally detached" from the lynch is his excuse for saying that he does not care about the lynch. He has done jack shit for scumhunting and has sat around and done nothing while a bunch of townies lynch another townie. Look at his vote post. He's just rehashing things that have been said already and just voted for XRC. That vote is a huge scumslip, and it's really saddening that XRC has to die in order for you all to see that.
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That's easy for you to say Cora. If any one of us knew that you were town then we would not be voting for Exar, either.
Answer me this: lets say that xrz/cora/clarity are scum and we lynch Koshi today. How does town win? We just guess?
We are trying here, but some of us have less information than others.
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I am just getting a bit tired of all the association cases. It seems all actual scumhunting has stopped.
I'm willing to lynch xrz just to get over this crap. I'm confident we can find the scum if he flips town.
rayn I don't understand how you can't see that I'm town. What weird voteswitching?
day1 I consolidated on tofu, day 2 I just switched to cjs to see who else would.
The logic to vote for xrz made sense. The way he has reacted makes it impossible to say though.
The way CJS is going about things, I'd rather lynch tofu or koshi tomorrow regardless. I don't think a scum CJS would be THIS opposed to an xrz lynch if they were both scum.
hz I appreciate all the work you're putting into this game but you don't have to come up with and post every single possibility of the scumteams, it just makes shit chaotic and confusing.
btw, if xrz flips green and ANYONE is still willing to say I'm scum, I'd rather you say that today because if that's the case I'd rather lynch someone else.
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Also Oats does fucking nothing he just sheeps everyone. It's very infuriating
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On August 04 2013 00:57 hzflank wrote:
That's easy for you to say Cora. If any one of us knew that you were town then we would not be voting for Exar, either.
Answer me this: lets say that xrz/cora/clarity are scum and we lynch Koshi today. How does town win? We just guess?
We are trying here, but some of us have less information than others.
You guys are going about it all wrong.
It shouldn't be "1/2/3/4 is scum so we should lynch 1 first". That's really bad. You should take the scummiest player and lynch them. After their flip, you should make connections only about that flip.
You guys are lynching XRC and making plans 2 days into the future. What if XRC's flip isn't what you expected? You guys have spent all of your energy making potential scumteams and it's all going to be for nothing if XRC flips town.
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On August 04 2013 01:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also Oats does fucking nothing he just sheeps everyone. It's very infuriating
On August 03 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 21:40 Koshi wrote:
Some reasons why I am not scum:
1) I do not get emotionally attached who gets lynched. However, you can see in the newbie game I played here and this game that I am pushing my suspect hard.
2) I am hiding, playing on emotions to keep myself from getting lynched as anti-town, if I get suspicion as anti-town it is mostly due to bad play rather than flamboyant play.
Obviously I shake up my playstyle so that I am hard to read. My day 1 was an extremer form of I swear 2. If you want to know why I am playing like this, it is to see how far I can take it before you get lynched in case I roll a blue role in a game.
But this game was an eye opener and I think I will play future games a bit more afk and in the shadows till my reads get a lot better.
But for now. Let's catch them scummies! bullshit. Who wants to play less townie and more scummy as both alignments? Bullshit.
huh.
I dunno clarity, what would make you get off XRZ?
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On August 04 2013 01:10 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 00:57 hzflank wrote:
That's easy for you to say Cora. If any one of us knew that you were town then we would not be voting for Exar, either.
Answer me this: lets say that xrz/cora/clarity are scum and we lynch Koshi today. How does town win? We just guess?
We are trying here, but some of us have less information than others. You guys are going about it all wrong. It shouldn't be "1/2/3/4 is scum so we should lynch 1 first". That's really bad. You should take the scummiest player and lynch them. After their flip, you should make connections only about that flip. You guys are lynching XRC and making plans 2 days into the future. What if XRC's flip isn't what you expected? You guys have spent all of your energy making potential scumteams and it's all going to be for nothing if XRC flips town.
The thing is for me XRZ is the scummiest player.
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