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On August 05 2013 04:20 hzflank wrote: @Oats Read through Tofu's day 3 play again and then tell me that he must be town due to a day 1 townslip. QFT! | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:26 Clarity_nl wrote: So your idea of being a good townie is to do nothing, then fling shit at the people who did stuff but ended up being wrong. Yes, the association stuff by hz got kinda out of control and rayn was just spamming the same two things over and over but it doesn't make either of them scum. So what is your point? Do you believe hz is scum or not? That's the important part. Koshi you are not completely wrong with your criticism but if you yourself say that they are town why do you start this shitfest? | ||
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Fine, I will look closer into stutters/oats the tomorrow/the day after that but we can only lynch one person this day and I would like to see the nightkill before (although it would surprise me if it's not a confirmed townie who dies). | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah it's gonna be me or rayn fo sho Possible. I could imagine CJS being killed too. Koshi, I think everyone gets that you don't like rayns and hzs play by now. Would you stop it now? | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are mafia that´s an easy way out. You buss two of your teammates because you only need to lynch Stutters after that. What differentiates you from Stutters? Why are you town over him, because i am pretty sure everyone else is town? Stutters is saying the same stuff you are. Hell, if we could flip Koshi & FT right now and they both flipped mafia how am i going to tell which one of you/Stutters is mafia because you both look equally good/bad and you are not trying to do anything to look better than the other one? I can´t tell you what you should be asking them. That eliminates the purpose of "proving why you are town" because i would be giving you the correct answers in the first place. You should be figuring out how to expose mafia and prove why you are town and then convince the rest of the town of it. It´s not my job to do that for you. Fair enough. It was a rhetorical question. If I knew how I could make myself look stutters right now I would do it. Like I said before I will take a closer look tomorrow. You have a lot of time to figure out if it's me or him or maybe oats so I have some time to come up with a good reasoning. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote: Also, I don't believe FT is scum. At least he looks through the bullshit. I don't see scum doing that. You are a funny guy. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote: To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) But how much sense does one blue (vet) make if scum has a roleblocker? Not much. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: A scum rb and vet is completely balanced. It does not matter than scum have an RB if there is nothing to block, so it cancels each other out. Just saying. I still think Rayn is cop, but the setup is possible without one. But would 1 vet be balanced in a 10/4 majority setup? Sorry, I don't know about this stuff. | ||
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On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Posting Style: A laid-back, "Lynch anyone who suspects me" style of play. His first strong scumread was me and he gave no justification for it. It looks to me like he wants me dead for the sole reason that I think he's scum. OMGUS at its finest. He just sheeped general thread sentiment and casually prodded me when I wasn't making a case on him. I don't see the usual enthusiasm that is so characteristic of most townies. Almost all of his posts are focused on defending himself rather than pursuing lynches. My first strong scumread was hzflank, not you. And this never was thread sentiment. Sure I prodded you because you never ever explained your scumread on me while it was one of your strongest reads. Why should I not? This makes you scum not me. If someone does OMGUS this game it is you with your scumread on rayn. Also you are using some kind of reverse OMGUS when you consider people who have you as town town all game long. Starting with me and proceeding with people like Koshi atm. Of course I defended myself when I was accused. If I can refute a point I should do this because otherwise town wastes time looking into this and doesn't hunt for scum. Also, when I'm at work (like right now) it is easier for me to defend myself than to post big cases on other players because it takes much less time (I don't have to filterdive or think a long time about what I'm going to say in order to defend myself). On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Stuff I Don't Like: + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps 1)Quotes random parts of Paperscraps' post and asks him to explain. He doesn't specify what exactly he wants PS to explain, he just says, "explain". To me, this looks like a classic case of scum trying to pretend to be active and questioning without asking anything of actual substance. On July 31 2013 07:45 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. Now you suddenly think I'm scummy without any new information? Suddenly you don't believe I'm new anymore and the posts you use to prove it were available to you way earlier when you actively defended me and said I'm town. WTF. Are you serious? That's the best you could come up with? And yes I'm aware of the fact I didn't follow through with my hz/tofu case. That's because it was not up to date anymore and I would have needed to add the new information gained by all the claims and reactions tonight. When I tried to put it together I started to become unsure and waited and since my conversation with hz earlier I'm seriously doubting my read on him. The case was a mix of hz/tofu with a lot of connection between them and if I doubt the hz part of it I can't justificate the whole case as it is. Therefore I didn't post it. Btw. like I said to oats before - do you want prove I'm new? I can give it to you easily. 2)The first part of this post aims to ridicule someone for their case against them. JAT dodges the case without putting out any actual substantive defense. The second part of this post is an excuse made to justify the lack of follow-up on the case he promised to make. Bad all around. On August 01 2013 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read xrzs filter. I'm leaning town on him. Many things he say make sense. If he is scum he is hiding this really good. For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). 3) This post was made when the XRZ lynch was gaining a little bit of steam on Day 2. JAT supposedly had me pegged as scum during this time. He previously made a few arguments against Koshi, but nothing too significant. If he really thought I was scum, why didn't he vote me? Did he fear backlash? What exactly prompted him to vote Koshi instead of me? On August 02 2013 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: I'm not afraid of dying because there are several much better targets to kill for scum not because I'm new. Who I think is scum depends partly on the nightkill but I didn't like oats posting today and I still think Tofu is scummy. I also did not like CJS posting yesterday even though he was right on malongo but I'm not sure about him. I guess after the nightkill I should have a better understand of what's going on. 4) He keeps using his "noobiness" as an excuse to justify things. In this post, he is saying he won't be killed because he's a noob. In other posts, JAT says people think he's scummy because he's new. He's using it as a fall back option to get himself out of the limelight. 1) Did you even read the post? I asked him to explain his read on oats how could I be more specific in this case? His read consists of 2 sentences of general praise for oats without any reasoning. 2) Koshis case was ridiculous why shouldn't I ridicule it? Maybe you could point me to the part you think I didn't adress because to me it looks like his sole point was that he suddenly thought I was not a new player. Add to this that he thought I was town earlier with the same information about me available to him. Then he starts to get heat and 180s on me without any reason like he does now on some other reads. He just accuses anyone he thinks could be lynched over him (apart from you conveniently) disregarding his previous stance on them and that's not a town trait btw. 3) At the moment I voted there were quite a few people on Koshi and he was more likely to be lynched than you. I thought you both were scum and voted for who I thought would more likely be lynched. 4) Stop twisting my words, will you? What I say in this quote is exactly the opposite of what you make of it. I say I won't be killed because there are far better targets. I will NOT be killed because I'm new. I don't keep using my noobiness as an excuse in fact I stated several times that people should NOT consider me being a newbie when thinking about my play. You are obviously getting desperate finding arguments for me to be scum. To the scumslip thing: On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Why is this a scumslip? JAT just said he was town because he jumped on the Malongo lynch. Okay, that's fine. So he should think that everyone who jumped on the Malongo lynch is town, right? WRONG. Both hz and I were on the Malongo lynch and JAT still had us as his top scumreads. There is absolutely no reason why a townie would hold this blatantly contradictory position. I already refuted this numerous times but I will do it again just for you Tofu. Yes, I made a logical mistake when I stated this but making logical mistakes is not exclusive to scum. I didn't consider the point I wrote to defend myself while stating that you were still my scumreads because I posted hastily and didn't think it through very well. If I would have thought it through I would have come to the conclusion that it doesn't make anyone town or scum to react on this claim like we did. If I was scum I probably wouldn't have posted anything at the time I did. You seem to be the only person who considers this a scumslip and you only do because it was the only thing you thought you had against me for a long, long time. You are really desperately trying to paint me scum to rescue yourself/your scumbuddy koshi and to end the game with a mislynch on me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 21:51 Koshi wrote: Your first scumread was Paper. You made 1 offensive case this game and that was it. You sticked your vote permantly on him. You are right that you had FT as town for the entire game. Your second post was saying you thought FT was town. I said strong scumread for a reason. Of course Paper was my first scumread. I voted him because I didn't think anyone was scummier Day1 but it wasn't a very strong read - how could it be Day1? Also this part of your post is prove that you did not even read my filter. I had FT as town for the entire game? Riiiight. And no I did not say that. I had Tofu scum since before Vivax was killed. I had Tofu as town Day1 and Day1 only. 1) The only read I just asked him to explain is the oats read. Learn to read ffs. Sure I asked questions regarding other stuff but Tofus point was that I just said explain without saying what i specifically want to be explained. 2) Ok, so Tofu states I am only defending myself. You claim I don't defend myself. Makes sense. If you want me to adress any specific point feel free to point me to it. The only problem is there isn't a good point because your case was full of shit. 3) meh, I can't see you being town. 4) I explained why I did not follow up on the hz/tofu case. If you are to lazy to read my filter that's not my problem. If you think there are any other promises I made and didn't follow name them. "if I was scum I wouldn't have done that" Yes, that is a bad excuse. That's why it isn't my main excuse and I just added it at the end. The only thing pathetic is your sudden Tofu/Koshi bromance without any town reason for it. I won't have 30 consecutive minutes to play for a looong time today. If you want to ask me something just do it and don't blame me for actually having to work. | ||
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- posting useless lists Day 1 - changing your opinion on people on the fly and without giving reasons - trolling the thread - refusing to answer people and instead saying unicorns/candyland whatever - lynching your townread Day1 - voting xrz without a reason On July 30 2013 16:25 Koshi wrote: NOOOOOOOOONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONNONONONONONO WE ARE NOT LYNCHING JAT ##Vote: exarezee - defending scum FT without a good reason On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote: Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter. -defending scum malongo hard On July 30 2013 21:50 Koshi wrote: hzflank is so smart. Too bad he is on the scumteam today. But as present to Oats. As this joke has served his purpose My scumteam: XRZ hzflank Oats Confirmed town Stutters Malongo On July 31 2013 21:01 Koshi wrote: Malongo is town, fuck it guys, remove all the stupidity and his play is green, unlike me this guy did not clusterfuck the thread. Read my previous post about Malongo to see he is town. My play is pretty red, because I did clusterfuck and took a lot of time away from town to do useful things. On top of that my scumbuddies could buss me really really easy if I just went afk after the trolling. (there are more posts like this) - this seems like a very scummy statement especially if you know Malongo is gonna be back by the deadline. On July 31 2013 23:37 Koshi wrote: btw, if Malongo ragequited he could be replaced. - voting for your townread FirmTofu On August 01 2013 07:05 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu - changing your opinion without reason as usual He was town to you before. Still you voted him and posted this. On August 01 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote: Rayn dude, we will never get 7... There really is a small chance FT is not scum but Cora is. Shortly after he is total town to you again. After that you are attacking hz, rayn and oats again. Without giving new reasons and only relieing on your older hz case. Also you can't decide if they are scum to you or not. On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote: At that point we would never have lynched Stutters. Thats why I said that. Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam. But wtf can I do. My name keeps being mentioned, town thinks I am scum, pfff. Going to be my first loss in mafia. This scumteam played well. I fucked my credibility and I never understood this game. I can't do shit. I ll focus on 2 people for the rest of day 4. Maybe I can catch somebody. Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see. On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote: To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) - This is funny! On August 05 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote: I always said you were town. ALWAYS. But I was on you because I also thought Maongo was town -_-. And we wanted a lynch... - because in my eyes there is absolutely no scumteam possible without you being a member of it | ||
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On August 05 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote: Small question: Why haven't you made cases on any of your scumreads through this game? You keep promising that but you never do. You just trow out names that are on your scumlist. But you never say why. I didn't create big walls of text but there almost always was some kind of reasoning. Textwalls aren't always better or more full of content. This can easily be seen in Firm Tofus case on me. On August 05 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote: Small question: Do you like hzflank? Tricky. I don't have him 100% confirmed but there are far scummier people than him and his vet-claim makes sense setup wise. If he is scum he almost deserves to win for being townier than most townies. On August 05 2013 22:43 Koshi wrote: feel free to answer the small question fast. Small question: Why would I bother buddying both Malongo and FirmTofu as scumteam? I could understand FirmTofu because our asses are on the line atm (lol) but why do it with Malongo? How do I know? Maybe you thought town would never suspect you being obvious like that? On August 05 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote: Small question; When did you put FT as a scumread. Why? I already answered that. It was night one (before Vivax was killed). It started by gut feeling + association with hz who I thought was mafia. | ||
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